On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:26:12 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote:
Try reading the kernel Documentation. (e.g.,
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt.)
initramfs is an improvement over initrd.
Having read it years ago it still fails to give me a good reason for
using
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:54:49 +1100, Paul Colquhoun wrote:
Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't
fail to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here,
right? One is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is
the issue described on the
Am 26.12.2012 02:11, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 01:11:04PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
The best way to find out what's wrong is to bisect the kernel, i.e.
finding the exact commit that caused the issue to appear.
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_git-bisect
Got
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:56:39PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
`git tag` should give you a list of version numbers. The tag you are
searching for is v3.7.
Thanks -- power went out, standby generator kicked in and woke me up
at 0430, and I woke realizing that. Bisect is happy. My git-fu is
On 2012-12-26 12:55, Neil Bothwick wrote:
That all makes sense, although it may well be harder to implement
than to suggest. To be fair to the udev developers, we owe them
nothing and they are free to take their project in whichever
direction they like and spend their time on whatever
* Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com [121225 18:30]:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:51:43AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
Same question ... initrd.gz and initramfs are *not* the same thing; and
there
was a package called mkinitrd in Gentoo that was retired to attic some
time
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote:
Bruce Hill wrote:
SNIP
No initrd...
YET!!! ROFL
When
Hi,
OK, it's the day after Christmas and this little kid wants to play
with the new toys Uncle Neil gave us yesterday - a copy of his well
worn setup file for building an initramfs into the kernel - a copy of
which I place here:
[QUOTE]
This is the file I use on a system that has / on a LUKS
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to set me straight tho. As long as you don't tell me my
system is broken and has not been able to boot for the last 9 years
without one of those things. ROFL
Nobody's telling you _your_ system, as in the collection
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:24:20AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
* Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com [121225 18:30]:
Try reading the kernel Documentation. (e.g.,
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt.)
initramfs is an improvement over initrd.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:58:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
OK, it's the day after Christmas and this little kid wants to play
with the new toys Uncle Neil gave us yesterday - a copy of his well
worn setup file for building an initramfs into the kernel - a copy of
which I place here:
[QUOTE]
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 09:24:55PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
snip systemd fanboi text
And then months later has the nerve of calling my use of the word
fuck (in which I wasn't insulting anyone) as offensive:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/261318
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:24:20AM -0500, Todd Goodman wrote:
* Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com [121225 18:30]:
Try reading the kernel Documentation. (e.g.,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 09:24:55PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
snip systemd fanboi text
And then months later has the nerve of calling my use of the word
fuck (in which I wasn't insulting anyone) as
Mark Knecht wrote:
One interesting small point I got out of the docs that Neil pointed me
toward: That since linux-2.6 we're all using an initramfs The 2.6
kernel build process always creates a gzipped cpio format initramfs
archive and links it into the resulting kernel binary. By default,
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to set me straight tho. As long as you don't tell me my
system is broken and has not been able to boot for the last 9 years
without one of those things. ROFL
Nobody's telling you _your_
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:58:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
2) Contained executables, as I understand them, either need to be
built with the static flag or you have to include all the libraries.
Static seems simpler so (in
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
One interesting small point I got out of the docs that Neil pointed me
toward: That since linux-2.6 we're all using an initramfs The 2.6
kernel build process always creates a gzipped cpio format initramfs
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
One other question came up. So I build the kernel, and the kernel build
creates the initramfs image and embeds it in the kernel. Is there a tool
that would allow me to query the embedded image prior to booting
so
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Actually, I think the initramfs wiki covers this, albeit it's 'not
easy'. Their words.
I think I'm covered for now.
Cheers,
Mark
While extracting it from the kernel image may be involved, and for now
using Neil's
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 02:01:13 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
To the OP of this OT sub-thread. The main difference for me is OpenRC
removes some of the symlink mess and uncertainty compared to for
example debians init. I very much like OpenRC but my fav is still
OpenBSD that
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:09:49 +0800
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Not all the proposed changes are bad ... a read only /usr would be
nice, but I object to being forced into what I regard as an unreliable
configuration (or use unreliable, crappy software, eg pulse audio!)
because
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:56:38 -0500
Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:
It would still be a (notable, at that) drop
in size if the shell script was redone to provide exactly the same set
of features, then compared, but that size difference wouldn't have the
same shock value as the
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:01:58 +0800
Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote:
Nobody's telling you _your_ system, as in the collection of programs
you use for your productivity, is broken. What we're saying is that
_the_ system, as in the general practice as compared to the
specification, is
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 02:01:13 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
To the OP of this OT sub-thread. The main difference for me is OpenRC
removes some of the symlink mess and uncertainty compared to for
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:48:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
On the mdadm list one comment came up which was to make sure
my mdadm.conf file was up to date and then include it in the initramfs
image so that if for some reason the machine doesn't boot I have all
the info required to start the RAIDs
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:09:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
At this point I don't know that 1) the image is actually in the
kernel, or 2) that my init thingy ;-) image would work, but at least
the process of putting it together is verifiable.
That's why I put in all the debug stuff, so I could
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:09:34 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
At this point I don't know that 1) the image is actually in the
kernel, or 2) that my init thingy ;-) image would work, but at least
the process of putting it
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
I didn't started the thread, Wolfe did. I just answered his question
from my point of view.
And, what community is being divided? Fedora,OpenSuse, and Arch use
systemd by default. Gentoo derivative Exherbo
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:41:01 -0800
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:01:17 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
And, what community is being divided? Fedora,OpenSuse, and Arch use
systemd by default.
From debian and hurd to slackware which will not touch systemd ever and
ubuntu and also embedded with the kernel working on
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Merry Christmas to all.
Upgrading an external USB2 drive at home this Christmas morning to
1TB for more video storage space. One large partition, non-raid, files
are around 1GB. The drive holds only static
On Dec 26, 2012 1:05 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
{supersnip}
So, no, I'm not trying to answer if you could create a /usr service
and make things dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted. I
passed almost this entire thread because it's mostly people still
hitting
Many years ago, I understood IPCHAINS, and the first versions of
IPTABLES. However, IPTABLES has followed the example of Larry Wall's
Practical Extraction and Reporting Language
and turned into a pseudo-OS that I barely comprehend. Some rules
that I added many years ago were designed to reject
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
I didn't started the thread, Wolfe did. I just answered his question
from my point of view.
And, what community is being divided?
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Dec 26, 2012 1:05 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
{supersnip}
Canek, I distinctly remember, at the very beginning of this brouhaha over
udev requiring /usr to be mounted at boot time, you stated
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
I'm sorry if sounded like scoffing (certainly I don't remember
scoffing anyone, at least consciously). I remember I praised Walt for
doing the work for mdev. Do you remember that? I can dig the archives,
but
On 12/26/2012 07:47 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
Many years ago, I understood IPCHAINS, and the first versions of
IPTABLES. However, IPTABLES has followed the example of Larry Wall's
Practical Extraction and Reporting Language
and turned into a pseudo-OS that I barely comprehend. Some rules
This may be related to me running mdev instead of udev. I've been
using /dev/shm for creating and deleting scratch files, to speed things
up when processing photographs with automated scripts. It used to work.
But now it no longer allows writes by anybody except root. A couple of
days ago, I
Walter Dnes wrote:
This may be related to me running mdev instead of udev. I've been
using /dev/shm for creating and deleting scratch files, to speed things
up when processing photographs with automated scripts. It used to work.
But now it no longer allows writes by anybody except root. A
Finished the bisect between 3.6.10 and 3.7. Here's the log. The suspect patch
has an interesting name:
ahci: implement aggressive SATA device sleep support
I'll send email to the patch author too.
I should make it clear that this is not urgent for me, since 3.6.10 isn't
obsolete yet.
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to set me straight tho. As long as you don't tell me my
system is broken and has not been able to boot for the last 9 years
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:19 PM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
Finished the bisect between 3.6.10 and 3.7. Here's the log. The suspect
patch has an interesting name:
ahci: implement aggressive SATA device sleep support
I'll send email to the patch author too.
I should make it clear that
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 08:53:14PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Possibly related?
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51881
Indeed :-) The patch author directed me there, I've applied the 51881
patch to the 3.7.1 sources, and it just started compiling.
--
... _._. ._ ._. .
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:14:33PM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
Indeed :-) The patch author directed me there, I've applied the 51881
patch to the 3.7.1 sources, and it just started compiling.
I configured a minimal kernel to test it sooner, and it booted to a
prompt. Now I am compiling
On 27/12/12 11:19, Dale wrote:
Walter Dnes wrote:
This may be related to me running mdev instead of udev. I've been
using /dev/shm for creating and deleting scratch files, to speed things
up when processing photographs with automated scripts. It used to work.
But now it no longer allows
I'm having problem starting openvpn after recent upgrade.
When I try to start it I get a normal respond:
openvpn.client_clinic_atom start
* Starting openvpn.client_clinic_atom ...[ ok ]
* WARNING: openvpn.client_clinic_atom has started, but is inactive
but ifconfig is not
I forgot to mention, my link looks normal:
openvpn.client_clinic_atom - /etc/init.d/openvpn
--
Joseph
On 12/26/12 22:52, Joseph wrote:
I'm having problem starting openvpn after recent upgrade.
When I try to start it I get a normal respond:
openvpn.client_clinic_atom start
* Starting
On Dec 27, 2012 12:45 PM, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:14:33PM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote:
Indeed :-) The patch author directed me there, I've applied the 51881
patch to the 3.7.1 sources, and it just started compiling.
I configured a minimal kernel to test it
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