Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
> > that never have been > > in the original software and because no bugs are fixed since nearly 6 > > months. > > Latest *RELEASE* was at 2007/05/06. Latest *RELEASE* of cdrecord > is dated 09.09.2004. There was a typo, it's 5 not 6 months. Latest release cdrtools: September 3rd. Number of c

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-28 Thread Alexander Skwar
· Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But I don't buy the "people that attack me is just jealous/trolling" >> argument, sorry. Assuming good faith is always better. To tell "I'm >> right and B is lying" is quite trollish too. To tell "I'm right, B > > If I

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
Let me try to give some information on star star by default writes to stdout and already supports 7z compression including auto-format/comression detection. You need to install a working "p7zip" in your PATH. Star is 100% compatible to tar, a big problem is that GNU tar is not 100% compatible to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
"b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reason why Debian started this is the missing will for quality oriented > > cooperation by a single person: "Eduard Bloch". > > > > The reason why other Linux distributions followed Debian is that they > > believed > > the lies spread by Eduard Bloch. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:44:20 +0200, b.n. wrote: > In our case: if you use a tool like that in your scripts and suddenly > the Gentoo devs feel that tool has to be removed/replaced (not the case > of cdrtools in Gentoo apparently, but...), you are in trouble. In this case, that shouldn't be a prob

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread b.n.
Hi Joerg, Quite an honour to receive a mail from you. :) > The reason why Debian started this is the missing will for quality oriented > cooperation by a single person: "Eduard Bloch". > > The reason why other Linux distributions followed Debian is that they believed > the lies spread by Eduard

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread b.n.
Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto: > and I for myself drop cdrkit in every place I find it and replace it with the > imo working tool named cdrecord. Sure, your choice. >> The problem is that of a tool that for licence etc. problems could be >> easily be dropped from a distribution. It's of a r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 00:26:51 schrieb b.n.: > Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto: > > Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Alexander Skwar: > >> To keep GNU tar, you mean? Well, there's at least a reason to not ONLY > >> have star: Star is made by Jörg Schilling, one of the biggest moron

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:14:58 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Back to tar: Why use "tar -j" in scripts, when "bzip2 | tar" > does the same thing? I very much disagree that "tar -j" is > the "better" option here; Either way requires that you first determine the type of compression used before you c

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-26 Thread Alexander Skwar
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Alexander Skwar, > >> Yes, it's very bad that Gentoo scripts don't limit themselves to >> POSIX. Another windmill to fight against. > > Artificially limiting yourself to the lowest common denominator when > better options are available is bad, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread b.n.
Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto: > Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Alexander Skwar: >> To keep GNU tar, you mean? Well, there's at least a reason to not ONLY >> have star: Star is made by Jörg Schilling, one of the biggest morons >> on the earth. Guess why some distributions no longer use c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Alexander Skwar: > To keep GNU tar, you mean? Well, there's at least a reason to not ONLY > have star: Star is made by Jörg Schilling, one of the biggest morons > on the earth. Guess why some distributions no longer use cdrecord but > switched to cdrkit? Keep

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:34:41 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: > What does this have to do with GNU tar and it adding superflous > options? Quite a lot. -j et.al. are non-standard options. If a > (badly written) script relies on the presence of -j, this script > won't work with a POSIX compliant tar

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-25 Thread Alexander Skwar
b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexander Skwar ha scritto: >> Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On 24 Sep 2007, at 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: ... > and if p7zip supports pipes, you don't need its support in tar. > Just pipe > from/to it. It does and that's the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-24 Thread Stroller
On 24 Sep 2007, at 09:30, Alexander Skwar wrote: ... and if p7zip supports pipes, you don't need its support in tar. Just pipe from/to it. It does and that's the way it's supposed to be used on unix, according to its manpage. GNU tar features the -j, -z and -Z options. These are much more

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-24 Thread Florian Philipp
Alexander Skwar schrieb: > Florian Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> star supports p7zip which can be much better and especially more >> flexible than bzip2, gzip and zip. > > Uhm, what's bad about > > tar cf - | p7zip It's a bit cumbersome to create a pipe each time I access

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-24 Thread Alexander Skwar
Volker Armin Hemmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Samstag, 22. September 2007, Florian Philipp wrote: >> star supports p7zip which can be much better and especially more >> flexible than bzip2, gzip and zip. Its other features (better >> funcionality for acl, sparse files, recovery and backups

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-24 Thread Alexander Skwar
Florian Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > star supports p7zip which can be much better and especially more > flexible than bzip2, gzip and zip. Uhm, what's bad about tar cf - | p7zip > If star were a fully qualified replacement for gnu tar, there would not > have been the need t

[gentoo-user] Re: star

2007-09-24 Thread Alexander Skwar
Florian Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'd like to know: Is it fully backward compatible to tar? Could I > safely unmerge tar and make a symlink from tar to star? star is fully Posix compliant. GNU tar is not. In theory, there could be problems with GNU tar tar archives if they are unp