Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-25 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:47 AM, bn wrote: > Mark Knecht ha scritto: > >> No, I need a new kernel also. The kernel on this machine is 2 years >> old. Also, I have about a dozen packages masked so I've unmasked those >> and will need to get the whole machine up to date. > > There is something I didn

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-25 Thread bn
Mark Knecht ha scritto: > No, I need a new kernel also. The kernel on this machine is 2 years > old. Also, I have about a dozen packages masked so I've unmasked those > and will need to get the whole machine up to date. There is something I didn't understand at all in this thread. Why did you nee

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/25/2009 04:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> I thought emerge xf86-video-ati, then swapping Driver "flgrx" to Driver >>> "radeon" in xorg.conf was all that is required?? >> >> No, I need a new kernel also. The kernel on this machine

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/25/2009 04:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: I thought emerge xf86-video-ati, then swapping Driver "flgrx" to Driver "radeon" in xorg.conf was all that is required?? No, I need a new kernel also. The kernel on this machine is 2 years old. Also, I have about a dozen packages masked so I've unmask

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Adam Carter wrote: >> I am scanning the /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for info on what chip >> this is. I'm not finding anything that says what Radeon family it's >> part of. lspci tells me what I posted here already - that it's part of >> the IGP 9100 family. > > htt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/25/2009 03:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Adam Carter >>  wrote: >>> >>> I havent been following this thread but have you checked the open source >>> drivers? New features are always being ported in.

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Adam Carter
> > So you want the radeon/ati driver, the package name is > xf86-video-ati, so I guess that means you want ati in VIDEO_DEVICES. > > It's "radeon" in recent X.Org, not "ati". Not sure when that > changed. Probably with xorg-server 1.5. Damn - I had checked the /usr/portage/x11-drivers directory

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/25/2009 04:04 AM, Adam Carter wrote: What VIDEO_DEVICES setting might one use to get this driver called up? Either ati or radeon and check that it installs Open Source? So you want the radeon/ati driver, the package name is xf86-video-ati, so I guess that means you want ati in VIDEO_DEVI

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Adam Carter
> I am scanning the /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for info on what chip > this is. I'm not finding anything that says what Radeon family it's > part of. lspci tells me what I posted here already - that it's part of > the IGP 9100 family. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Proces

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/25/2009 03:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Adam Carter wrote: I havent been following this thread but have you checked the open source drivers? New features are always being ported in. The two options are; - Radeon driver (module is named ati) - Radeonhd driver

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Adam Carter wrote: > I havent been following this thread but have you checked the open source > drivers? New features are always being ported in. The two options are; > - Radeon driver (module is named ati) > - Radeonhd driver (module is named radeon) > > Check out

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Adam Carter
I havent been following this thread but have you checked the open source drivers? New features are always being ported in. The two options are; - Radeon driver (module is named ati) - Radeonhd driver (module is named radeon) Check out the current features here http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 22:17:12 Mark Knecht wrote: > I really think this is what a personal overlay is for, but as I've > said for years, it's hard to build an overlay when you don't know what > needs to be in it until it's been removed. And yes, something has > removed these files, at least fro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:17:12 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > 1) It absolutely isn't that the hardware is unsupported, it's that a > *feature* of the hardware (TV Out S-Video) became unsupported. And the S-Video output is part of the hardware, so you do have unsupported hardware. > 2) Following your

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:11 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >> A different short-term solution might be to find another old junker >> machine that is supported, building it out of junker parts. This would >> be good if I had any certainty tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Is xorg-server-1.1.1 completely gone and I'm hosed? I'm not finding it > on my my machine. The only variations on that theme seem to be in > /var/db/pkg. No tar files, just other programming junk. http://sources.gentoo.org/ is your friend :) Sp

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 02:28:50 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. Those who cannot teach, HACK! No, no - those who can't teach teach teachers. Or so my father used to say, from what he said had been bitter experience. -- Rgds Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:11 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > You can tell before you perform the update that the old version is no > > longer in portage, > > How? I run eix-sync and at that point it's no longer in > /usr/portage/distfiles. AFAIK, eix-sync doesn't touch $DISTDIR. If it does, that's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> >>> I have NEVER asked portage to keep a copy of EVERYTHING online. >>> >> Yet it does. >> >> >>> I >>> think it's a sinthat portage decid

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> I have NEVER asked portage to keep a copy of EVERYTHING online. > > Yet it does. > >> I >> think it's a sinthat portage decides to remove files from MY machine, >> files that I'm curr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> Family gets no MythTV for a few days, or maybe forever? >>> >>> I'm trying to mask things to check this and emerge is really mad at me. >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:06:42 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> I absolutely HATE this about portage. Update your machine just >> thinking about trying a new piece of software and then find you cannot >> immediately go back. Gentoo was supposed to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I have NEVER asked portage to keep a copy of EVERYTHING online. Yet it does. > I > think it's a sinthat portage decides to remove files from MY machine, > files that I'm currently using, files that I require. It doesn't. It may remove fil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:06:42 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > I absolutely HATE this about portage. Update your machine just > thinking about trying a new piece of software and then find you cannot > immediately go back. Gentoo was supposed to be about choice. Seems > it's not about my choice anymore.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Keith Dart
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:06:42 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: > Am I hosed again? Did updating portage break my machine by removing > what I was just using: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. ;-) Portage does drop many old packages over time, to keep the package database to a reasonable size. -- -- -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/24/2009 03:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> Gentoo is for me. Gentoo is the only distro I run and the only one >> I've run for at least 6 years. Gentoo has run on THIS VERY MACHINE for >> over 4 years and it is the ONLY distro that ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> [...] >> Family gets no MythTV for a few days, or maybe forever? >> >> I'm trying to mask things to check this and emerge is really mad at me. > > As a last attempt at damage control, try th

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2009 03:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Gentoo is for me. Gentoo is the only distro I run and the only one I've run for at least 6 years. Gentoo has run on THIS VERY MACHINE for over 4 years and it is the ONLY distro that has EVER run on this machine. Today I run eix-sync and emerge xorg-x11 a

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: [...] Family gets no MythTV for a few days, or maybe forever? I'm trying to mask things to check this and emerge is really mad at me. As a last attempt at damage control, try the full update anyway. Remove "fglrx" from VIDEO_CARDS and replace it wit

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> [...] >> Am I hosed again? Did updating portage break my machine by removing >> what I was just using: >> [...] >> >> Is xorg-server-1.1.1 completely gone and I'm hosed? I'm not finding it >

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: [...] Am I hosed again? Did updating portage break my machine by removing what I was just using: [...] Is xorg-server-1.1.1 completely gone and I'm hosed? I'm not finding it on my my machine. The only variations on that theme seem to be in /var/db/pkg.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> On 06/24/2009 02:20 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all,    Main question is whether there is any change in the way I s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 06/24/2009 02:20 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>    Main question is whether there is any change in the way I select >>> the fglrx driver with xorg-server-1.5? >>> >>>  

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/24/2009 02:20 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>    Main question is whether there is any change in the way I select >> the fglrx driver with xorg-server-1.5? >> >>    I have a big emerge running on one of my MythTV frontends th

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx

2009-06-23 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 06/24/2009 02:20 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, Main question is whether there is any change in the way I select the fglrx driver with xorg-server-1.5? I have a big emerge running on one of my MythTV frontends that uses an old 2.6.19 kernel with an old 8.28 ati-driver package. The mac