Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-19 Thread Daniel Vrcic
* Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-10-18 14:05]: Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:29:12 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why is 3dfx not enabled by default for xorg? Because most people who use applications which have a 3dfx USE flag do not require

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Jorge Almeida schrieb: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: kde or gnome are DE's. I'm sure every member of the scientific community needs at least one, What would they need that for? And what's the use of the USE flag? It would make sense, if those *packages* were installed. and so

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're installing science apps, you'll probably want it, and if you're not installing science apps you'll never see it anyway. No, that doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:00 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But, you're quite right, I also can't see why something | as arcane as emboss is in hte default set of USE flags. Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the most sensible behaviour is to enable

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:54:58 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: | So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss | support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're | installing science apps, you'll probably want it, and if

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:00 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But, you're quite right, I also can't see why something | as arcane as emboss is in hte default set of USE flags. Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the most

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:54:58 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: | So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss | support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're | installing science apps,

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:29:12 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the | most sensible behaviour is to enable it by default. | | Why is 3dfx not enabled by default for xorg? Because most people who use applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:31:45 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yep. Same as enabling the optional emboss support. If | you're arguing, that some settings lead to bloated | systems, then /NO/ USE flag at all should be enabled. If | you're arguing, that most sensible behaviour is to

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Holly Bostick
Alexander Skwar schreef: No, that doesn't make sense. A simple question: Why is 3dfx not in the default set of USE flags? If you install a graphics software, like xorg, 3dfx users probably want it. And if you're not a 3dfx user, it won't do harm. For something like 3dfx, this is not

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:29:12 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the | most sensible behaviour is to enable it by default. | | Why is 3dfx not enabled by default for xorg? Because most

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:28:22 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why is ipv6 in make.defaults? Most people don't (yet) use | ipv6 and compiling in ipv6 support may make some applications | be overly bloat. It's part of a vast Gentoo conspiracy to covertly switch everyone over to ipv6

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-16 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Uh, no. USE flags do not control whether packages get installed. They control whether something which has **optional** support will use it. Yes, I just think it would be more usefull for beginners to have a set of defaults they could use as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:06:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Actually, fortran is a gcc flag that seems to have some other uses. You *DO* need it. What for? I have -fortran on several computers and have never suffered for its lack. -- Neil Bothwick MS-DOS: if you believe in a flat Earth, this

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:03:44 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss | support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're | installing science apps, you'll

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-15 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 04:29:39PM +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote I would like to know how the current USE variables are set. I know that emerge --info displays a list of all of them, but it doesn't discriminate where they come from. I couldn't find clear documentation about it, but of course I

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread John Jolet
On Oct 14, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:29:39 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I would like to know how the current USE variables are set. | I know that emerge --info displays a list of all of them, but it | doesn't discriminate where

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread Holly Bostick
John Jolet schreef: On Oct 14, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:29:39 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I would like to know how the current USE variables are set. | I know that emerge --info displays a list of all of them, but it |

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread Manuel McLure
Holly Bostick wrote: You could edit /etc/make.profile if you liked, I suppose, but Portage will update it at one or more various points anyway, and then where are you? One question for those with more USE flag-fu than I have - does the default set of USE flags depend on the packages that have

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread Paul Varner
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 13:15 -0700, Manuel McLure wrote: One question for those with more USE flag-fu than I have - does the default set of USE flags depend on the packages that have been installed into world? It seems to me that at some point I have installed a package (for example

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread Daniel da Veiga
I keep control of my USE flags, lets say, manually. Of course, at install time you get a couple of defaults just to make sure you don't miss anything crucial. After that, every package goes trough an emerge -pv, its USE flags set at packages.use, I compile it. Of course, its tedious, its slow, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:15:17 -0700 Manuel McLure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | One question for those with more USE flag-fu than I have - does the | default set of USE flags depend on the packages that have been | installed into world? It seems to me that at some point I have | installed a package

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-13 Thread Holly Bostick
Jorge Almeida schreef: I would like to know how the current USE variables are set. Afaik, they are set by /etc/make/profile/make.defaults, and overridden/added to globally by /etc/make.conf, and individually by /etc/portage/package.use. I know that emerge --info displays a list of all of them,

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-13 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: Afaik, they are set by /etc/make/profile/make.defaults, and overridden/added to globally by /etc/make.conf, and individually by /etc/portage/package.use. The handbook http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2chap=2 says they come

Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables

2005-10-13 Thread Matan Peled
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jorge Almeida wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: Afaik, they are set by /etc/make/profile/make.defaults, and overridden/added to globally by /etc/make.conf, and individually by /etc/portage/package.use. The handbook