Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 20/04/2023 05:23, Dale wrote: Some 1,100 directories, not sure if directories use inodes or not. "Everything is a file". A directory is just a data file with a certain structure that maps names to inodes. It might still be there somewhere - I can't imagine it's been deleted, just

[gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 20/04/2023 13:59, Dale wrote: In place of "find -type..." say "find / -type..." Ahhh, that worked.  I also realized I need to leave off the ' at the beginning and end.  I thought I left those out.  I copy and paste a lot.  lol Btw, if you only want to do this for the root filesystem and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 04:29:59AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> I wonder.  Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a > >> directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file > >> size??? > > The 20 smallest: > > `find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 stat -c '%s %n' | sort -n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Thursday, 20 April 2023 10:29:59 BST Dale wrote: >> Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >>> Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 06:32:45PM -0500 schrieb Dale: Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > <<>> > > When formatting file systems, I usually lower the number of inodes from >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Thursday, 20 April 2023 10:29:59 BST Dale wrote: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 06:32:45PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > >>> <<>> > >>> > >>> When formatting file systems, I usually lower the number of inodes from > >>> the > >>> default value to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:59:26 BST Dale wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: With my HDD: # smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096

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eric wrote: > On 4/19/23 21:23, Dale wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> > I wonder.  Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a >>> directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file >>> size???  I thought about du but given the number of files I have >>> here, it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:59:26 BST Dale wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> With my HDD: > >># smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' > >>Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical > > > > Or,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 06:32:45PM -0500 schrieb Dale: >> Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >>> <<>> >>> >>> When formatting file systems, I usually lower the number of inodes from the >>> default value to gain storage space. The default is one inode per 16 kB of >>> FS size,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 06:09:15PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > > I wonder. Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a > directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file > size??? I thought about du but given the number of files I have here, it > would be a really

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 06:32:45PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > <<>> > > > > When formatting file systems, I usually lower the number of inodes from the > > default value to gain storage space. The default is one inode per 16 kB of > > FS size, which gives you 60 million

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 4/19/23 21:23, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: > I wonder.  Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file size???  I thought about du but given the number of files I have here, it would be a really HUGE list of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I wonder.  Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a > directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file > size???  I thought about du but given the number of files I have here, > it would be a really HUGE list of files.  Could take hours or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

> I wonder. Is there a way to find out the smallest size file in a directory or sub directory, largest files, then maybe a average file size??? I thought about du but given the number of files I have here, it would be a really HUGE list of files. Could take hours or more too. This is what KDE

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > <<>> > > When formatting file systems, I usually lower the number of inodes from the > default value to gain storage space. The default is one inode per 16 kB of > FS size, which gives you 60 million inodes per TB. In practice, even one > million per TB would be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 01:00:33PM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > I think technically they default to the physical block size internally > and the earlier ones, attempting to be more compatible with HDDs, > had 4K blocks. Some of the newer chips now have 16K blocks but > still support 512B Logical

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 12:39 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 19/04/2023 22:26, Dale wrote: > > So for future reference, let it format with the default? I'm also > > curious if when it creates the file system it will notice this and > > adjust automatically. It might. Maybe? > > AFAIK, SSDs

[gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 19/04/2023 22:26, Dale wrote: So for future reference, let it format with the default?  I'm also curious if when it creates the file system it will notice this and adjust automatically. It might.  Maybe? AFAIK, SSDs will internally convert to 4096 in their firmware even if they report a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 10:59 AM Dale > wrote: > > > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > > > >> With my HDD: > > >> > > >>    # smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 10:59 AM Dale wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > >> With my HDD: > >> > >># smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' > >>Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical > > Or,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> With my HDD: >> >># smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' >>Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical > Or, with an NVMe drive: > > # smartctl -x /dev/nvme1n1 | grep -A2

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 3:35 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > With my HDD: > > > ># smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' > >Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical > > Or, with an NVMe drive: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 09:00:33 BST Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > With my HDD: > ># smartctl -x /dev/sda | grep -i 'sector size' >Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical Or, with an NVMe drive: # smartctl -x /dev/nvme1n1 | grep -A2 'Supported LBA Sizes' Supported LBA

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 19/04/2023 04:45, Dale wrote: >> Filesystem created:   Sun Apr 15 03:24:56 2012 >> Lifetime writes:  993 GB >> >> That's for the main / partition.  I have /usr on it's own partition tho. >> >> Filesystem created:   Sun Apr 15 03:25:48 2012 >> Lifetime

[gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 19/04/2023 04:45, Dale wrote: Filesystem created:   Sun Apr 15 03:24:56 2012 Lifetime writes:  993 GB That's for the main / partition.  I have /usr on it's own partition tho. Filesystem created:   Sun Apr 15 03:25:48 2012 Lifetime writes:  1063 GB I'd think that /

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 10:05:27AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> Given how I plan to use this drive, that should last a long time.  I'm >> just putting the OS stuff on the drive and I compile on a spinning rust >> drive and use -k to install the built packages on the live

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 2:15 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone mentioned 16K block size. > > > > > > I mentioned it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Wols Lists wrote: > On 18/04/2023 23:13, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >>> /var/tmp/portage on tmpfs. And on every disk I allocate a swap >>> partition >>> equal to twice the mobo's max memory. Three drives times 64GB times >>> two is a >>> helluva lot of swap. > >> Uhm … why? The moniker of swap =

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 18/04/2023 23:13, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: /var/tmp/portage on tmpfs. And on every disk I allocate a swap partition equal to twice the mobo's max memory. Three drives times 64GB times two is a helluva lot of swap. Uhm … why? The moniker of swap = 2×RAM comes from times when RAM was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 12:18:14AM +0200 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: > If you use ext4, run `dumpe2fs -h /dev/your-root-partition | grep Lifetime` > to see how much data has been written to that partition since you formatted > it. Just to get an idea of what you are looking at on your setup.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 10:05:27AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > Given how I plan to use this drive, that should last a long time.  I'm > just putting the OS stuff on the drive and I compile on a spinning rust > drive and use -k to install the built packages on the live system.  That > should help

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Am Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 09:53:18PM +0100 schrieb Wol: > On 18/04/2023 21:01, Dale wrote: > > > I just use tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage (16GB, I'm on 32GB RAM.) Same. > /var/tmp/portage on tmpfs. And on every disk I allocate a swap partition > equal to twice the mobo's max memory. Three drives

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 2:15 PM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale wrote: > > > > > Someone mentioned 16K block size. > > > I mentioned it but I'm NOT suggesting it. > > It would be the -b option if you were to do it for ext4. > > I'm using the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > > Someone mentioned 16K block size. > > > I mentioned it but I'm NOT suggesting it. > > It would be the -b option if you were to do it for ext4. > > I'm using the default block size (4k)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale wrote: > > Someone mentioned 16K block size. I mentioned it but I'm NOT suggesting it. It would be the -b option if you were to do it for ext4. I'm using the default block size (4k) on all my SSDs and M.2's and as I've said a couple of time, I'm going to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 18/04/2023 21:01, Dale wrote: I just use tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage (16GB, I'm on 32GB RAM.) When I keep binary packages around, those I have on my HDD, as well as the distfiles: DISTDIR="/mnt/Data/gentoo/distfiles" PKGDIR="/mnt/Data/gentoo/binpkgs" Most of mine is in tmpfs to except for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 18/04/2023 18:05, Dale wrote: >> I compile on a spinning rust >> drive and use -k to install the built packages on the live system.  That >> should help minimize the writes.  > > I just use tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage (16GB, I'm on 32GB RAM.) When I > keep binary

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 7:53 AM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 16/04/2023 01:47, Dale wrote: > > Anything else that makes these special? Any tips or tricks? > > Only three things. > > 1. Make sure the fstrim service is active (should run every week by > default, at least with systemd,

[gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 18/04/2023 18:05, Dale wrote: I compile on a spinning rust drive and use -k to install the built packages on the live system.  That should help minimize the writes. I just use tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage (16GB, I'm on 32GB RAM.) When I keep binary packages around, those I have on my HDD,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 16/04/2023 01:47, Dale wrote: >> Anything else that makes these special?  Any tips or tricks? > > Only three things. > > 1. Make sure the fstrim service is active (should run every week by > default, at least with systemd, "systemctl enable fstrim.timer".) > > 2.

[gentoo-user] Re: Finally got a SSD drive to put my OS on

On 16/04/2023 01:47, Dale wrote: Anything else that makes these special?  Any tips or tricks? Only three things. 1. Make sure the fstrim service is active (should run every week by default, at least with systemd, "systemctl enable fstrim.timer".) 2. Don't use the "discard" mount option.