Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes:
I've only used it on Ubuntu, and maybe it's just Ubuntu's
implementation -- but it was both complicated and difficult. There
are 10X as many files, and to change anything you edit a whole set of
configuration files and run a utility that
Ugh
Guess if Gentoo ever removes Grub1 I'll have to switch to Lilo or
something else - I loathe complicated, especially when there is no good
reason...
On 2011-10-06 8:51 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Grant Edwardsgrant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes:
I've only used it on
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:51:04 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
/boot/grub/grub.cfg itself is 111 lines. Its not the most complex
script going but for me it would take some serious study for an hour
or more to figure out what is happening in it. But of course you are
not supposed to edit grub.cfg
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
Also, its not clear how one would install a new kernel. Where to put
the information and so forth.
See above. You don't put anything anywhere when installing a new kernel,
just run grub-update and it will be found and added to the menu. At the
same
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:48:08 -0500
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
Also, its not clear how one would install a new kernel. Where to
put the information and so forth.
See above. You don't put anything anywhere when installing a new
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:32:51 -0700
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it.
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:33:34 +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it.
Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart,
OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself executes.
That's the init=
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:11:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
The thing is that GRUB2 needs to understand several filesystems to
grab the kernel image from. It also wants to be able to use a more
interesting resolution than 640x480. This means that it has to
reimplement all the code for any
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On
On Oct 5, 2011 8:59 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4,
Am 05.10.2011 15:55, schrieb Grant Edwards:
I give up. I've absolutely no idea what grub2 has to do with the OS's
init system, and none of what you've written makes any sense to me.
It has NOTHING to do with it, or not more or less then lilo or grub1 or
any other bootloader. But the automagic
On 2011-10-05, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
I give up. I've absolutely no idea what grub2 has to do with the OS's
init system, and none of what you've written makes any sense to me.
I think what he meant was:
I assume you mean PID#1 (typically /sbin/init). On Unixes with PID#0,
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:46:03 + (UTC)
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
The *installer* portion of grub2 is aware of which pid#0 is running
when it auto-creates the bootloader's configuration. That pid#0 is
passed on to the kernel by the bootloader.
OK. I that I
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:46:03 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
The *installer* portion of grub2 is aware of which pid#0 is running
when it auto-creates the bootloader's configuration. That pid#0 is
passed on to the kernel by the bootloader.
OK. I that I understand. It seems a bit
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-05, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
I give up. I've absolutely no idea what grub2 has to do with the OS's
init system, and none of what you've written makes any sense to me.
I think what he meant
On 2011-10-05, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
And the set of init scripts that belong to grub2 are just to try to
auto-magically generate the config file?
With options from /etc/default/grub, yes. But please stop calling the
files in /etc/grub.d init scripts.
I'm not calling
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-05, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
And the set of init scripts that belong to grub2 are just to try to
auto-magically generate the config file?
With options from /etc/default/grub, yes.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:10:45 -0700
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-05, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
And the set of init scripts that belong to grub2 are just to try
to
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote:
Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can
you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult?
I use it on my netbook, which I admittedly
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote:
Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can
you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult?
I use it on my netbook,
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote:
Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can
you post your experience on the
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote:
Subject line says it pretty well. ??Is grub2
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:08:16 -0700
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
At first glace, grub2 looks like a minature Unix installation whose
purpose is to boot a bigger Unix installation. It's got it's own
init system and it's own set of init scripts.
That it's not true. It
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:53:07 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Neil Bothwickn...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote:
Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it
and can you post your
On 2011-10-04 20:56, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Replying two mails in one...
Dale:
Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can you post your experience on the
switching process?
I use it (1.99-rc1, which is gone from Portage) for booting my UEFI
(with GPT partition table) motherboard until I can get
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:08:16 -0700
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
At first glace, grub2 looks like a minature Unix installation whose
purpose is to boot a bigger Unix installation. It's got it's own
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have
(OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart),
I'm curious: what if you don't have one? ??I use grub-legacy to boot
stuff other than Unix.
When I said it connects, I mean
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have
(OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart),
I'm curious: what if you don't have one? ??I use
On 2011-10-04, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
No that's a completely different issue.
But the warped thinking that produces it is exactly the same.
QOTW!
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I need to discuss
at
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have
(OpenRC, SysV,
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
That it's
On 10/04/2011 07:53 AM, Dale wrote:
Could this fix the mess with /usr and /var having to be on / or a initramfs?
I'm using grub2 because it fixes a different problem that has always needed an
initramfs--but not the recently lamented separate /var problem.
I have an outboard ESATA disk that I
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it.
Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart,
OpenRC) is simply a program... that the Linux kernel itself executes.
I know. What I don't
On 2011-10-04, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
The answer is to let grub2 find the correct disk by checking the UUID
of the *partition table* on each disk, and then load the boot sector
from only that disk without even knowing the /dev/sd* name or the
BIOS disk number.
I'm assuming/hoping that
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it.
Understand this: any Linux/Unix init system (systemd, SysV, Upstart,
OpenRC) is simply a
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote:
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue,
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:46:07 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de
wrote:
On Tuesday, 4. October 2011 14:14:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Then any boot loader will need to call something to start it.
Understand this: any
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2011-10-04, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s can...@gmail.com wrote:
Then any
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:35:42 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
I've only used it on Ubuntu, and maybe it's just Ubuntu's
implementation -- but it was both complicated and difficult. There
are 10X as many files, and to change anything you edit a whole set of
configuration files and run a
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauergrim...@gmx.de wrote:
Correct, the *kernel* executes it.
Quoted from an earlier mail in this thread:
That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have
(OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart)
The
El 04/10/2011 17:09, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com escribió:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Michael Schreckenbauergrim...@gmx.de
wrote:
Correct, the *kernel* executes it.
Quoted from an earlier mail in this thread:
That it's not true. It connects to whatever init
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