On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote:
The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important.
*MONEY*
...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making
billions.
OS X is not a linux distribution.
It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of BSD
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared with the BSD kernels.
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
During what timeframe?
There have been massive Linux API breakages in 2004.
Jörg
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
I am naturally grumpy.
Yeah we've noticed ;) I like reading your posts because you know
stuff, and I like the fireworks.
On Friday 30 September 2011 01:45:39 Adam Carter wrote:
Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
Sorry - I meant being grumpy is seductive for the grumpy person. Its
pretty much the opposite for the people they interact with, as you
imply.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you,
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am? Then again, does it
Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am?
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes:
Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 14:44:06 schrieb James:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes:
Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are
On 2011-09-27, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
might
find interesting (if you haven't
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code.
On 09/27/11 00:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
update your code for you.
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
are only fixed for
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
are only fixed
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
update your code for you.
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
Except they have drivers which are buggy and require backported fixes.
and that is the reason stable series exist. They are stable and they
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
until they get the software ported forward. Their remaining hardware
of the
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I can pretty much promise you that one area likely to get LOTS of
attention in this kernel series IS security updates, at least if they
are
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you might
find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
re-designs of some APIs that happen between minor versions of a
supposedly stable kernel.
We
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
re-designs of some APIs that happen
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