In linux.gentoo.user, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 4:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not
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On 09/29/13 15:03, Greg Woodbury wrote:
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone
to break.
Except that systemd *is*
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 22:36:34 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote:
Do you have some alias causing df output to use -h or how does that
work?
% alias df
df='df --human-readable --no-sync --print-type'
Or, to put it another way - Yes.
--
Neil Bothwick
X-Modem- A device on the losing end of an encounter
On 30/09/2013 01:08, Dale wrote:
At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it the hard way.
So
do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do
it
EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem
with your attitude.
On 30/09/2013 01:40, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The best path for you seems to be a merge of / and /usr. I asked Alan
how to do this since he seemed knowledgeable about it. If he replies,
maybe his advice will be handy and save you a lot of trouble. It seems
clear to me that you want to avoid
On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote:
If the udev people had made net ifnames=0 the default, and allowed
the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set net.ifnames=1,
this would not have been an issue. Some corner case exotic setups
require complex solutions... no
On Sunday 29 September 2013 14:45:05 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:14:08 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
seperate /usr has stopped working fine AGES AGO. Just some setups were
lucky enough not to stumble over the wreckage and fall into the
shards.
I.e. the 99% who don't need initramfs before today. Some corner case
exotic setups
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:36:02PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com
wrote:
And, on a personal note, I find a little quaint (and somehow naïve) to
think about (for example) bluetooth as a corner case, when most of
us walk
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/09/2013 01:08, Dale wrote:
At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it the hard
way. So
do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do
it
EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem
with
On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate
/usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat
interesting to me. /usr stores some pretty important data on it, and I
imagine you'd need to mount it
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:57:12AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:31:37 -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate
/usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat
interesting to me. /usr stores
On Sunday 29 September 2013 19:36:32 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:53:26 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Precisely. And, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), that
simply keeping your old kernel/initramfs around is NOT a guarantee (it
might work - and it might NOT) of
On Sunday 29 September 2013 22:09:35 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close.
Don't knock yourself,
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:01:27 +0200, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote:
mount /usr -o remount,ro
mkdir /newusr
rsync -a /usr/ /new/usr/
Comment out /usr line in /etc/fstab
mv /usr /oldusr
mv /newusr /usr
reboot
rmdir /oldusr
What you do with the old partition is up to you. In this
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:16 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
Installing a new kernel does not magically make the old one break. If
that kernel worked yesterday, it will work today.
Actually, that is not guaranteed.
I remember a situation in the past where boot-critical software
required a
On 09/30/2013 04:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate
/usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat
interesting to me. /usr stores some pretty important data on
On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote:
If the udev people had made net ifnames=0 the default, and allowed
the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set net.ifnames=1,
this would not have been an issue. Some corner
On 30/09/2013 12:27, Daniel Campbell wrote:
On 09/30/2013 04:31 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/09/2013 01:31, Daniel Campbell wrote:
Curious; how is merging two filesystems done? I don't have a separate
/usr and am completely unaffected by this change, but it's somewhat
interesting to me.
On Monday 30 September 2013 11:24:58 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:16 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
Installing a new kernel does not magically make the old one break. If
that kernel worked yesterday, it will work today.
Actually, that is not guaranteed.
I remember a
On 30/09/2013 12:32, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
On Monday 30 September 2013 10:01:32 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/09/2013 06:14, Walter Dnes wrote:
If the udev people had made net ifnames=0 the default, and allowed
the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set net.ifnames=1,
this would
On 29.09.2013 20:25, Dale wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or
technical, for wanting a separate /usr?
Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it
Am 30.09.2013 01:27, schrieb Dale:
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years
shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially
constantly grow over time
On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com
wrote:
150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages.
I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops...
My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB.
My current / is only 83M, so even after I merge /usr into it,
Am 30.09.2013 19:25, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages.
I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops...
My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB.
My current / is
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote:
On 29.09.2013 20:25, Dale wrote:
Simple, I have never had to resize / or /boot before. I have had to
resize /usr, /var and /home several times tho. THAT is the reason. For
me, it doesn't matter if it is rational to
On 30/09/2013 19:25, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com
wrote:
150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages.
I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops...
My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB.
My current / is
On 30.09.2013 20:09, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
Peeps using LVM:
If, right now, you were forced to boot into /, without /usr, would you
be able to manually assemble your usr using pv/vg/lv tools - without
the assistance of udev?
Sure can!!!
--
Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:25:57 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-30 1:10 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages.
I'm curious what a common/average size is for desktops...
My /usr, without portage files, is @ 5GB.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will
be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem?
Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed income,
disabled. Also, my brother has cancer and I'm taking him to treatments
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:38:36 +0200, Dan Johansson wrote:
I agree to 100% with you Dale. I have /usr on a separate LVM partition
(I only have, as you, / and /boot on regular partitions) to be able to
easily extend it (which I have been forced to do a few times).
And as my VG-partition starts
Am 30.09.2013 22:48, schrieb Dale:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will
be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem?
Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed income,
disabled. Also, my brother has
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 30.09.2013 22:48, schrieb Dale:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
500gb harddisks are extremely cheap. 150gb for / with usr and you will
be fine for ages. Why are you acting like this is a problem?
Maybe cheap for you but not so for me. I'm on a fixed income,
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:47:46PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
My desktop
% df /usr
Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
silastic/usr zfs32G 15G 17G 48% /usr
My laptop
% df /usr
Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
bangbang/usr zfs
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already
have a starting point.
I'm already looking.
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already
have a starting
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:48:11AM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
To answer Alan's question - the main fault lies on the GNOME project and
the forcing for systemd down user's systems throats.
Additionally, as certina things were added to Linux to enhance
capabilities, the
Am 29.09.2013 10:28, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to break.
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
Parts of the libraries that systemd depend on we
Am 29.09.2013 13:03, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to
break.
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
Parts of the
Hello, Neil.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:37:50PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:09:38 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction,
now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer
devote the
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply means that beginning November 1, Gentoo devs are not required to
jump through hoops to make apps work on systems with /usr separate from
On 2013-09-28 9:15 AM, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote:
Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
No really,*why exactly*?
Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
set this system up many
On 2013-09-28 2:18 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
No seperate /usr either
Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known
to even do it. I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the
install guide.
I'm 99% certain it was in the
On 2013-09-28 3:04 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, William.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01:59AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
I have a pretty simple setup, but I have been using an initramfs which I
built some time ago with genkernel and I barely know it is there.
Until, after some
On 2013-09-28 3:50 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
one reboot. You cp everything into /newuser.
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply means that beginning November 1, Gentoo devs are not required to
jump
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr was a good
idea, so / would not fill up and similar idiocies. The problems
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 2:18 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
No seperate /usr either
Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known
to even do it. I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the
install guide.
I'm 99%
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 3:04 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, William.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01:59AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
I have a pretty simple setup, but I have been using an initramfs
which I
built some time ago with genkernel and I barely know it is there.
On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test
Am 29.09.2013 14:07, schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
snipped everything because of stupid 'conspiracy' talk
there was no conspiracy and there will never be one to break seperate /usr.
In fact seperate /usr works just fine.
You just need an initrd/initramfs.
Other distros are using those for ages. So
On 2013-09-29 10:57 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply
On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or
technical, for wanting a separate /usr?
Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it today.
Separate /home, /tmp, /var, yes, good reasons for
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-29 10:57 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
This
On 2013-09-28 6:46 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can
always hit reset then
On 2013-09-29 8:07 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Please be aware the change I was talking about was the decision to break
separate /usr, not the Gentoo devs' reaction to this breakage. Why did
we only become aware of the decision to break separate /usr after it was
too late to do
On 2013-09-28 10:04 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
This, combined with an intense (also maybe irrational) desire to avoid
like the plague using an initramfs, is why this decision to FORCE me
into a position of possibly having to break my
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
for this. It is true that it does
On 2013-09-28 12:01 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
There is no reason to rebuild your server; we aren't telling you you
have to merge /usr into /. The only thing we are saying is that you will
need to use an initramfs if you are going to keep them separate.
Which, if you even
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:24:25PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
The news item *IS* the warning.
Oh for *Tanstaafl's* sake... *Tanstaafl*.
If an ebuild maintainer changes something that will BREAK BOOTING on
systems that violate the 'no separate /usr without an initramfs' rule,
what in the
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or
technical, for wanting a separate /usr?
Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it today.
Separate /home, /tmp, /var,
On 2013-09-29 2:02 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
You show the smallness of your vocabulary by using profanity.
Rotflmao!
Sometimes profanity actually serves a purpose.
And you show the shallowness of your *nix knowledge by replying with
such nonesense.
Nonsense?
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:07:44 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Neil.
In what way is it patronising?
It talks down to people. It insinuates that the readers don't have the
wherewithal to appreciate that they have been deliberately hurt by
_somebody_ rather than something just happening;
On 2013-09-29 2:21 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I
seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:53:26 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Precisely. And, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), that
simply keeping your old kernel/initramfs around is NOT a guarantee (it
might work - and it might NOT) of being able to fallback to a known
working config until you
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is
not true.
Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the
kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck
on the difference
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:25:56PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if y ou cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I have never
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I have never had to
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:03:30 -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
If that were true, the news item that started this thread would never
have been published. Gentoo uses openrc by default, so supporting
separate /usr on non-systemd systems (the
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:10 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can
always hit reset then select
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what
On 29/09/2013 12:55, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 10:28, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam
On 29/09/2013 13:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 13:03, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to
break.
Except that systemd
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
On 29/09/2013 19:43, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 6:46 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close.
Don't knock yourself, you don't deserve it :-)
In my day job I get to meet many
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I
chose
On 29/09/2013 17:41, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Exherbo might be worth a look too[1].
It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran
strikes me as the kind of
On 29/09/2013 19:55, Tanstaafl wrote:
[snip]
I have *never* merged a critical filesystem on a critical server like
this before.
Please see the news item for what it actually is, not something else.
I see it as an ultimatum that I *must* change a server that has been
running flawlessly
On 2013-09-29 4:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close.
Don't knock
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 02:45:05PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:23:20 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Here's my version of LVM without the overhead of LVM to allow
maximum flexibity, without the overhead of LVM.
This gives you one of the advantages of LVM, the ability to use space on
a single drive as your needs change. It doesn't allow
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I
On 29/09/2013 23:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:23:20 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Here's my version of LVM without the overhead of LVM to allow
maximum flexibity, without the overhead of LVM.
This gives you one of the advantages of LVM, the ability to use space on
a
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is
not true.
Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the
kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck
on
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 06:10:46PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
From REDHATs or SuSEs perspective seperate /usr is not a problem.
Putting lvm/bluetooth/mdraid/whateverthefuckyoumightneed there was
and is not a problem too. Thanks to initrdsco.
And if I wanted to run bleeping Redhat
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one
On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years
shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially
constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)-
it may
Am 30.09.2013 00:06, schrieb Walter Dnes:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 06:10:46PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
From REDHATs or SuSEs perspective seperate /usr is not a problem.
Putting lvm/bluetooth/mdraid/whateverthefuckyoumightneed there was
and is not a problem too. Thanks to initrdsco.
Am 29.09.2013 19:58, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:33:55 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
And it also prevents him from using The One True Filesystem That Will
Rule Them All and In the Darkness Bind Them:
ZFS
Now if that was included in the kernel, none of this thread would
matter :)
--
Neil Bothwick
Life's a cache,
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used
Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:48:22 -0500, Dale wrote:
They are not the same. Your stating that they are the same to you is
effectively saying I know what I believe, don't bother me with the
real facts.
They are the same to me as yet one more point of failure that I DO NOT
want. I have dealt
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:21 -0500, Dale wrote:
So my experience doesn't matter any then? My /usr does vary and
sometimes varies quite a bit. That is why I had to resize the thing.
Saying that I didn't make it large enough to begin with isn't the
point. When people use LVM, the reason
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:06:15 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
* Loading firmware into the kernel worked fine for AGES, until Kay
Seivers broke udev... https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303
* Everybody's single-NIC machine came up with eth0 for AGES, until Kay
Seivers broke udev. And
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