Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-08 Thread Wols Lists
On 09/01/2024 03:35, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday, 7 January 2024 08:34:15 GMT Wols Lists wrote: Weird! I took a module on statistics in my Open University (Chemistry) degree 40-odd years ago. Probably the same one? I've still got the modules as a reference work, though I probably couldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-08 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 7 January 2024 08:34:15 GMT Wols Lists wrote: > Weird! I took a module on statistics in my Open University (Chemistry) > degree 40-odd years ago. Probably the same one? I've still got the > modules as a reference work, though I probably couldn't lay my hands on > them easily now ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/01/2024 00:52, Peter Humphrey wrote: They seemed to say that the subject was founded on two basic principles; then they proceeded to define each of them in terms of the other. I should add, I dug into this sort of stuff, and you do know the entire edifice of Peano (ie number theory),

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/01/2024 00:52, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday, 6 January 2024 19:28:05 GMT Wols Lists wrote: Statistics is one of those areas where, if you don't know what you're doing and you use the wrong maths, then you are going to get stupid results. "Statistics tell you how to get from A to B.

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday, 6 January 2024 19:28:05 GMT Wols Lists wrote: > Statistics is one of those areas where, if you don't know what you're > doing and you use the wrong maths, then you are going to get stupid results. > > "Statistics tell you how to get from A to B. What they don't tell you is > that

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Wols Lists
On 06/01/2024 17:59, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday, 6 January 2024 16:21:30 GMT Wols Lists wrote: ... it's nothing to do with more power or whatever, it's down to simple statistics. If genloop guesses the statistical spread wrongly, it's going to mess up its estimates. Aren't you

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday, 6 January 2024 16:26:49 GMT Daniel Pielmeier wrote: > Am 5. Januar 2024 23:51:39 UTC schrieb Peter Humphrey : > >Hello list, > > > >I've just had some strange output from genlop on my 16-thread i5 box, thus: > > > ># genlop -t libreoffice | /bin/grep minute > > > > merge time:

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday, 6 January 2024 16:21:30 GMT Wols Lists wrote: > ... it's nothing to do with more power or whatever, it's down to simple > statistics. If genloop guesses the statistical spread wrongly, it's > going to mess up its estimates. Aren't you exaggerating genlop's complexity? I wasn't aware

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread gennaro amelio

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Jack
On 1/6/24 11:21, Wols Lists wrote: On 06/01/2024 16:12, John Blinka wrote: And it doesn’t actually take 2x longer - the new estimate is just grossly wrong. I presume that the old estimate was also wrong. And it's nothing to do with more power or whatever, it's down to simple statistics. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
Am 5. Januar 2024 23:51:39 UTC schrieb Peter Humphrey : >Hello list, > >I've just had some strange output from genlop on my 16-thread i5 box, thus: > ># genlop -t libreoffice | /bin/grep minute > merge time: 37 minutes and 38 seconds. > merge time: 52 minutes and 59 seconds. >

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Wols Lists
On 06/01/2024 16:12, John Blinka wrote: And it doesn’t actually take 2x longer - the new estimate is just grossly wrong. I presume that the old estimate was also wrong. And it's nothing to do with more power or whatever, it's down to simple statistics. If genloop guesses the statistical

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread John Blinka
On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 3:56 AM Wols Lists wrote: > On 06/01/2024 00:54, John Blinka wrote: > > I’ve often found that it gives one estimate when multiple packages are > > being built, then a much longer estimate for still-in-progress builds > > once some of the builds have finished. > > > > That

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-06 Thread Wols Lists
On 06/01/2024 00:54, John Blinka wrote: I’ve often found that it gives one estimate when multiple packages are being built, then a much longer estimate for still-in-progress builds once some of the builds have finished. That result defies common sense. Less remaining work has to take less,

Re: [gentoo-user] Genlop wonky again

2024-01-05 Thread John Blinka
On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 6:52 PM Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello list, > > I've just had some strange output from genlop on my 16-thread i5 box, thus: > > # genlop -t libreoffice | /bin/grep minute >merge time: 37 minutes and 38 seconds. >merge time: 52 minutes and 59 seconds. >