Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:09 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Stroller did opine thusly: Yes, like FINDER (actually makes windows explorer look almost reasonable), You know, Finder is not as bad as you would imagine. As Alan says - it works exactly how Steve thinks it should work. I can

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-05 Thread Indi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:40:29PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: So here's one thing that MacOS is very good at: text searches. I have to archive old mails in off-line tbz2 to retain some sanity, my colleagues on Macs don't. Their mail store goes somewhere (we don't know where, not having

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:10:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: Part of my post that you chose not to quote was I'd be the first to admit that Macs have flaws. All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believe any of them are perfect. Last time I used Linux on the

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had the same thing with SuSE and installed that goddamn piece of shit on 100+

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:47:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My manager's predecessor's precedessor's precedessor had the

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Mick
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 18:25:00 Indi wrote: On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:47:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:35 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You say OS X is good enough I say you've got some mighty low standards. My

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 June 2011, at 12:35, Indi wrote: ... Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful problems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain circumstances, which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. That was several years ago, and no-one on the

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to read, that's why newspapers use columns. The accepted width

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Stroller wrote: You know, Finder is not as bad as you would imagine. I don't have to imagine. Bought my first Mac (an SE) in 1987, and my last in 2009. The '87 SE still works, the 2009 mini no longer does and was a buggy piece o' crap all its life.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Mick
On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long lines are much harder to

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length. http://linux.stroller.uk.eu.org/Email%20Line%20Wrapping.png It's not always a readable length. Long

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-04 Thread Indi
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:37:31PM -0500, Dale wrote: Mick wrote: On Saturday 04 Jun 2011 23:38:09 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:09:28 +0100, Stroller wrote: My client wraps lines at a perfectly sensible length.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-03 Thread Stroller
On 3 June 2011, at 02:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Your Linux box isn't working, and you're complaining about Macs? That seems a little inappropriate. Let me assure you: when a Mac has a hardware button, it will work just fine. It won't be disabled for no reason. This is why I

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-03 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: My next machine will have 8gb of RAM, and I'm pretty confident I won't see this problem; I typically have 40 - 60 browser tabs open in perhaps 8 different windows. Stroller. I used to do that when I was on dial-up. Large pages would take so long, I would click on

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 31 May 2011 00:26:45 Stroller wrote: On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... Right clicking on Audio Disc gives an eject menu point. YUCK!!! If I'd've wanted an Apple Macintosh, I know where to buy one. I just want my drive's eject button to work. Your Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Stroller. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:26:45AM +0100, Stroller wrote: On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... Right clicking on Audio Disc gives an eject menu point. YUCK!!! If I'd've wanted an Apple Macintosh, I know where to buy one. I just want my drive's eject

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is the best desktop for me, because it is extremely light footed, has enough eye candy (if you need that) and it is relatively configurable. Until

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
, though unproven, at 00:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is the best desktop for me, because it is extremely light footed,

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-06-01 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 01 Jun 2011 23:50:18 Alan McKinnon wrote: , though unproven, at 00:05 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Tuesday 31 May 2011 14:45:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:46 on Monday 30 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: e17 is the best desktop for me, because it is extremely light footed, has enough eye candy (if you need that) and it is relatively configurable. Until it becomes stable you'll need to compile it from svn.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Thanasis
on 05/29/2011 11:49 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote the following: So, I thought, maybe this feature is another pesky group restriction. So I tried adding myself to group disk, then to group cdrw, Try adding yourself to plugdev group also.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alan. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:56:10PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Neil. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:13:08PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 22:58:39 +0200, Alan

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:10 on Monday 30 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: My money says you've been hit by the Gnome Borg - where you are only permitted to do things the way the gnome devs have deemed to be appropriate and TheOneTrueWay(tm). After all, you are just a

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Mick
On Monday 30 May 2011 11:33:02 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:10 on Monday 30 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie Can't say I blame you. What's the choice, though? I appreciate the spare uncluttered desktop of Gnome. Last time I tried KDE (about 7 years ago) it was

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Jonathan
On Sun, 29 May 2011 20:49:05 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Having played a CD, I discover there's no way to eject it; the physical button on the drive is inactive until I exit from Gnome, which is clearly suboptimal. Try checking to see if any program has a file open in the cd. If

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Stroller
On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ... Right clicking on Audio Disc gives an eject menu point. YUCK!!! If I'd've wanted an Apple Macintosh, I know where to buy one. I just want my drive's eject button to work. Your Linux box isn't working, and you're complaining about Macs?

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Stroller
On 30/5/2011, at 11:33am, Alan McKinnon wrote: You're dashed right. I now understand what's happening: When a CD is inserted and Gnome detects it as an audio CD, the CD drive is locked. At the same time, a stupid icon Audio Disc appears on the screen. I don't understand why they

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Stroller
On 31/5/2011, at 12:26am, Stroller wrote: On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: It gets worse. If you double click on Audio Disc, it opens a window with the files uselessly displayed. I'll bet it doesn't display the actual files. Audio CDs don't have files, they have a

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread daid kahl
I can't be of much more help to you, I don't use Gnome at all (see above) Can't say I blame you.  What's the choice, though?  I appreciate the spare uncluttered desktop of Gnome.  Last time I tried KDE (about 7 years ago) it was anything but uncluttered.  I tried XFCE briefly, but couldn't

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread daid kahl
daid@titan ~ % cat /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules # external USB, Seagate FreeAgent GO aka cyclops  SUBSYSTEMS==usb, DRIVERS==usb, ATTRS{serial}== 5LZ2XQJ5, SYMLINK+=cyclops ACTION==add, RUN+=/etc/udev/scripts/mount_cyclops.sh Sorry, but make sure that the one entry (begins with

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-30 Thread Indi
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:10:02AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Neil. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:13:08PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 22:58:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:49 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Gentoo. I've now managed to play CDs in Gnome, primarily by adding myself to the cdrom group. I do wish all these restrictions, enforced by group membership, could be switched off. Having

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 29 May 2011 22:58:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: With a CD in the drive and gnome running, please post the output of mount cat /etc/mtab And the output of eject -v -- Neil Bothwick Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alan. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:58:39PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:49 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Gentoo. I've now managed to play CDs in Gnome, primarily by adding myself to the cdrom group. I do wish all these

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:20 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Alan. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:58:39PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:49 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Gentoo.

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Neil. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:13:08PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 22:58:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: With a CD in the drive and gnome running, please post the output of mount cat /etc/mtab And the output of eject -v acm@acm ~ $ eject -v eject: using

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:37 on Sunday 29 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Neil. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:13:08PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 22:58:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: With a CD in the drive and gnome running, please post the

Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome?

2011-05-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 29 May 2011 22:56:10 Alan McKinnon wrote: My money says you've been hit by the Gnome Borg - where you are only permitted to do things the way the gnome devs have deemed to be appropriate and TheOneTrueWay(tm). After all, you are just a user, what do you know? The devs know better,