Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-12-12 Thread Mick
On Sunday 12 December 2010 05:57:19 Valmor de Almeida wrote: On 12/11/2010 08:52 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-19, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] and paste this in it: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device match

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-12-12 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 12/12/2010 05:59 AM, Mick wrote: [snip] Guys I'm glad that my pointers helped you get it going - but I have to say that soon with xorg-server-1.9 becoming stable HAL and its xml configuration files will be a thing of the past. Still, you have the satisfaction of cracking this one!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-12-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 12 December 2010 17:10:10 Valmor de Almeida wrote: Looking forward to xorg-server-1.9. So why not install it? It's been running here for three months without a single problem. Just add x11-base/xorg-server to /etc/portage/package.keywords. Job done. -- Rgds Peter. Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-12-12 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 12/12/2010 07:17 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 12 December 2010 17:10:10 Valmor de Almeida wrote: Looking forward to xorg-server-1.9. So why not install it? It's been running here for three months without a single problem. Just add x11-base/xorg-server to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-12-11 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 12/11/2010 08:52 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-19, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] and paste this in it: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? deviceinfo version=0.2 device match key=info.capabilities contains=input.touchpad merge key=input.x11_driver

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:14:13 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: This is not about ipv6 or hal or dbus in particular. My approach is to only have the bare minimum necessary flags, and not allow *ANY NEW AND UNNECESSARY OPTIONAL* flags. Any additional extra stuff involves additional bloat and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:14:13 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: This is not about ipv6 or hal or dbus in particular. My approach is to only have the bare minimum necessary flags, and not allow *ANY NEW AND UNNECESSARY OPTIONAL* flags. Any additional extra stuff involves

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 22:42:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: Developers of any sort have to be in the upper-IQ range of humanity (otherwise they couldn't develop shit) Ah! Now I know where it came from... -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 18 November 2010 13:37:39 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:33:45 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: One could actually argue that the profits of pubs are reduced because then the men don't take the women to the pubs. And that the pubs then miss half of their customers.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Mick
On Friday 19 November 2010 04:55:23 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-18, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 18 November 2010 15:48:23 Grant Edwards wrote: You can adjust synaptics changing the configuration on the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi file. man 4 synaptic

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:07 on Friday 19 November 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Wednesday 17 November 2010 22:42:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: Developers of any sort have to be in the upper-IQ range of humanity (otherwise they couldn't develop shit) Ah! Now I know where

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 19 November 2010 13:41:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:07 on Friday 19 November 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Wednesday 17 November 2010 22:42:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: Developers of any sort have to be in the upper-IQ range of humanity

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:28 on Friday 19 November 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Friday 19 November 2010 13:41:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 13:07 on Friday 19 November 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Wednesday 17 November 2010

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 18.11.2010 02:46, schrieb Grant Edwards: On 2010-11-18, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs do. Google doesn't seem to know what OYFEAL means. Do we get any hints? Google says this: OYFEAL:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:42:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: c. our devs are assumed to only pretend to be pedantic geeky gits who nit-pick about words, and not to actually *be* like that their entire life 24/7/365/75. Indeed. After all, if they were really pedantic, they would point out that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 18 November 2010 12:37:16 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:42:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: c. our devs are assumed to only pretend to be pedantic geeky gits who nit-pick about words, and not to actually *be* like that their entire life 24/7/365/75. Indeed. After

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:43:40 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: Indeed. After all, if they were really pedantic, they would point out that you should have written either 24/7/52/75 or 24/365/75 :P pedantic mode Or that you both seem to forget the actual reason for the use of leap-years.. :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 18 November 2010 12:52:40 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:43:40 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: Indeed. After all, if they were really pedantic, they would point out that you should have written either 24/7/52/75 or 24/365/75 :P pedantic mode Or that you both seem

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:37 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:42:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: c. our devs are assumed to only pretend to be pedantic geeky gits who nit-pick about words, and not to actually *be* like that their

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:47 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 18/11/2010, at 1:46am, Grant Edwards wrote: ... Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs do. Google doesn't seem to know what OYFEAL means. Do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:42:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Indeed. After all, if they were really pedantic, they would point out that you should have written either 24/7/52/75 or 24/365/75 :P y'know, you have this very annoying habit of catching me out every time I talk shit in public

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 18.11.2010 02:46, schrieb Grant Edwards: On 2010-11-18, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:42 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I thought the real reason for leap years was to boot the turnover of the wedding industry. s/boot/boost/ Oh? How does that work? There's a tradition here that women propose to men on the leap day, which is why most men go into

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:18 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:42 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I thought the real reason for leap years was to boot the turnover of the wedding industry. s/boot/boost/ Oh? How does that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 18 November 2010 14:18:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:32:42 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: I thought the real reason for leap years was to boot the turnover of the wedding industry. s/boot/boost/ Oh? How does that work? There's a tradition here that women

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:33:45 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: There's a tradition here that women propose to men on the leap day, which is why most men go into hiding on that day thereby boosting the profits of pubs and other hiding places. One could actually argue that the profits of pubs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 18.11.2010 13:47, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 18.11.2010 02:46, schrieb Grant Edwards: On 2010-11-18, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like the *actual* problem is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:12 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 18.11.2010 13:47, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 18.11.2010 02:46, schrieb Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 18.11.2010 15:21, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:12 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine thusly: Am 18.11.2010 13:47, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Apparently, though unproven, at 11:31 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Sebastian Beßler did opine

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:21:23 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What were we talking about again? OYFEAL -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 1: Microsoft Works signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Mick
On Thursday 18 November 2010 15:48:23 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-18, Fernando Antunes fs.antu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.comwrote: Can anybody point me to a hint on how to configure synaptics touchapad sensitivity?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 04:21:23PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote I must be getting old and forgetful. Forgot about that post. What were we talking about again? They say that memory is the second thing to go; I forget what the first is. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 02:59:32AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote How would your method of handling USE have assisted in preventing that breakage? Please note that the breakage in jpeg is much *much* more common than changes to default USE. This is not about ipv6 or hal or dbus in particular.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-18 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 04:52:39AM +, Stroller wrote You claim to be a control freak but you seem to be doing this to avoid the chore of properly inspecting USE flags each time you emerge. If you `emerge --pretend` before every update you make, you would see what's changed! What's the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Stroller
On 16/11/2010, at 10:28pm, David W Noon wrote: ... Again, the defaults are chosen for stability with Gentoo first; secondly, there are no fixed defaults -- or out-of-box configuration -- from upstream, as the USE flags are simply parameterizing the ./configure script via autotools. I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:40:02 +0100, Grant Edwards wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: On 2010-11-16, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: Again, the defaults are chosen for stability with Gentoo first; secondly, there are no fixed defaults

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:00:01 +0100, Stroller wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: [snip] Surely what `./configure` does if I don't make any choice about its compilation option is to be considered a default? Gentoo ebuilds do not run ./configure

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:48:30 +, David W Noon wrote: Surely what `./configure` does if I don't make any choice about its compilation option is to be considered a default? Gentoo ebuilds do not run ./configure without options, unless there are no options available. No, but they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:18 on Wednesday 17 November 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: No, but they generally set the USE defaults to give the same settings as running ./configure with none. In other words, they are following the upstream defaults. We seem to be going

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 02:00:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote If you then mentioned that their defaults broke Dale's setup, they'd likely answer Who's Dale? followed shortly by None of us have hardware like Dale to test. Sorry 'bout that. Set USE=-hal Of course the USE flag advice is given

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:43 on Thursday 18 November 2010, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 02:00:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote If you then mentioned that their defaults broke Dale's setup, they'd likely answer Who's Dale? followed shortly by None of us

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Stroller
On 18/11/2010, at 1:46am, Grant Edwards wrote: ... Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs do. Google doesn't seem to know what OYFEAL means. Do we get any hints? Yes, if you're patient he'll give you [1].

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-18, Strollerstrol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 18/11/2010, at 1:46am, Grant Edwards wrote: ... Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs do. Google doesn't seem to know what OYFEAL means. Do we

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Stroller
On 18/11/2010, at 12:43am, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 02:00:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote If you then mentioned that their defaults broke Dale's setup, they'd likely answer Who's Dale? followed shortly by None of us have hardware like Dale to test. Sorry 'bout that. Set

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-17 Thread Stroller
On 18/11/2010, at 3:59am, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-18, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 18/11/2010, at 1:46am, Grant Edwards wrote: ... Looks like the *actual* problem is non-application of OYFEAL[1],not what the devs do. Google doesn't seem to know what

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-16 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:10:02 +0100, Grant Edwards wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: On 2010-11-15, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Whether Xorg uses HAL or not is controlled by a USE flag isn't it? So upstream choses the defaults

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-16 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:20:02 +0100, Grant Edwards wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: On 2010-11-16, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] No, the USE flags are purely a Portage thing. The USE flags determine which options are enabled

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Wednesday 17 November 2010, David W Noon did opine thusly: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:20:02 +0100, Grant Edwards wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: On 2010-11-16, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-16 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:28 on Wednesday 17 November 2010, David W Noon did opine thusly: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:20:02 +0100, Grant Edwards wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?: On 2010-11-16, David W

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-11-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, if xorg-server-1.8 is around the corner to be stabilised I suggest that you unmask it and use the xorg.conf file that we all know

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:51 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-11-15, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-11-14, Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-15 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:31 on Monday 15 November 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-11-14, Mickmichaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, if xorg-server-1.8 is around the corner to be stabilised I suggest that you unmask it and use the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:56 on Tuesday 16 November 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Actually, it rendered mine broken and not usable. If upstream walks off the edge of a cliff, does Gentoo follow upstream then? What would have been nice is if Gentoo would have at least made it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-15 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:56 on Tuesday 16 November 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Actually, it rendered mine broken and not usable. If upstream walks off the edge of a cliff, does Gentoo follow upstream then? What would have been nice is if Gentoo would have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to configure thochpad sensitivity (using hal)?

2010-11-14 Thread Mick
On Sunday 14 November 2010 15:36:43 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-11-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Before you go to great pains to get this working, you do know that hal is checking out right? Yes, I knew that. Maybe I'll just live without the touchpad until HAL goes away for