Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:52:11 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html So, what is it going to take to convince Lennart that, contrary to what he thinks, he actually isn't the only human on the planet? I'd like

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:52:11 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html So, what is it going to take to convince Lennart that,

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread William Kenworthy
Hi Walter, can you expand on the LVM2 problem you mention on the MDEV page and/or a link if there is one on the status? I am building a new desktop (finally building as 64bit!) which will need lvm2 and after trying gnome3 for a couple of months on my existing machines, I have decided that its too

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: I'm confused about the xorg stuff in the WiKi. It mentions the evdev driver as critical, but at the Notes at the bottom you say evdev need udev to be built. Can

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Sebastian Beßler
On 08/12/12 15:04, Jorge Almeida wrote: Is it possible at all to drop udev and still use xorg? Are the old (i.e., pre-evdev) drivers still usable? Even if they are, I bet all future developments will go the same way: force uniformity and submission. The old kbd and mouse drivers for X still

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote Walter, I'm confused about the xorg stuff in the WiKi. It mentions the evdev driver as critical, but at the Notes at the bottom you say evdev need udev to be built. Can you clarify this? I'll have to edit the wiki. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Straight from the horse's mouth

2012-08-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:26:15PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote Hi Walter, can you expand on the LVM2 problem you mention on the MDEV page and/or a link if there is one on the status? I am building a new desktop (finally building as 64bit!) which will need lvm2 and after trying gnome3 for