Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:39:46 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 18:16, Mark Knecht wrote: [SNIP] I understand that every package is out there in some repository on the web. I think Neil has pointed me toward it once or twice at least. The problem is for a user type like me, and yes, I'm *purely* a user type, it's a bit beyond my skillset today to go get it and build the overlay myself. Yes, http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/ . And it contains every ebuild (and patch) that has ever been in the tree. It really isn't that hard. Looks like we have got a bug in the Gentoo handbook. This link should be mentioned together with the recommendation for how often should I sync the portage tree. I guess the right place is an annotation to the first request to sync the tree. There are 3 problems for a new user not discussed in the handbook: If I get some problem, then why not to start all over again, that is, sync a tree? Do so every 15 minutes and the rsync server promises to get angry. I did not do that but found the advice on the maximum syncing rate way too late. If I have a problem with sync (as I had some network problem installing from Knoppix live CD), it is good to know (not to guess) that I do not need to sync at all if I just downloaded the latest tree. When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge --sync connecting to 1.0.0.0 [OT, maybe]
Hey folks I've seen that exact problem with many simple routers like the one you have and various Linux distros, almost always some of the programs do work with dns server being the router itself and some don't. Namely: Web browsers and IM apps mostly work, rsync,svn git and some telnet and ftp apps mostly don't. In MS Windows almost always all work just fine. The solution for me was to find out in the router itself what are the dns servers that it uses and configure them in the system, either in resolv.conf or in conf.d/net . Hope it helps. Indeed, it works for me as well :-) Thank you Marco Yes, adding DNS servers manually to /etc/resolv.conf worked for me as well. Things kept trying to resolve to 1.0.0.0. For reference I was using a DLink 604 ADSL Modem Router (if memory serves). David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:00, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? It depends. You see, this is like asking how long is a piece of string? Because we have no idea when the vendors will change their drivers, so the ebuild is valid for as long as it still works and the download is available. Note carefully that none of that is in any way under a gentoo dev's control Now often should you sync? There is no rule, and none is possible, so don't ask for one. I can give you some tips from experience though: If you run ~arch you might want to sync ever few days or so. For a regular stable (arch) system, I found once a week or once a fortnight suited me. You might be different. So try syncing once a week, if you find that you can cope OK with that, stick with it. Otherwise, sync more or less often till you find the interval that suits you. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Totem / Gnome-Screensaver / Gnome-2.16 -Screensaver kicks in during movie
Disable the screensaver manually, perhaps? Do you need a screensaver on a HTPC box? Or check here http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-41026.html Using mplayer or Xine in the interim may be an option. According to: http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2006/12/disabling-the-screensaver Totem *should* inhibit the screensaver. Also, some more googling turned up this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html A small extract from the above: You can also turn off DPMS from the Command Line, but this will not survive a reboot. $ xset -dpms Using xset +dpms will turn it back on. Another technique to try, which will turn off the screensaver: $ xset s off You may also combine the command to turn off DPMS and the screensaver: $ xset -dpms s off Hope this helps :) David -Original Message- From: Michael Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 01:13 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Totem / Gnome-Screensaver / Gnome-2.16 -Screensaver kicks in during movie On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 09:00 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing this but upgraded to gnome-2.16, which pulled in gnome-screensaver etc. thing is, when I view movies using totem in fullscreen, it will still cause the screensaver to kick in after X amount of minutes. Is anyone else experiencing this??? I am in MythTV. Anyone know how to fix this? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Has Linux jumped the Shark?
On 21 December 2006 04:32, Jeff Rollin wrote: Hi all A discussion on the staff blogs over at OSNews about the Linux desktop got me thinking. Thom and Eugenia seem to think that the linux desktop peaked in 2001-2004, but I don't remember the hype around Ubuntu starting till well after that. Their argument seemed to be that because GNOME is running into problems and because KDE is behind schedule, the Linux desktop is dead. What is this? First, Gentoo is thought to be unhealthy and now the whole Linux desktop is dead! Are people getting frustrated with the festive season and make up news about imminent catastrophes? I can not and will not comment on GNOME. Why is KDE behind schedule? Its next release, 3.5.6, is in feature, documentation and message freeze. It will be tagged in SVN on 15.01.2007. Sounds on schedule to me. Or is it about KDE4? AFAIK, there isn't even a complete road map to version 4 yet. No complete schedule means it can not be behind schedule. KDE's libraries have been ported to Qt4. Some apps are ported to the new libraries. Others will follow. A second developer snapshot was released in November. All the new technologies like Plasma, Solid, Decibel, Phonon and what not are on their way. So? Even if KDE were behind, how does that kill the Linux desktop? We just had to wait a wee bit longer before we could get our hands on those new technologies. KDE4 will happen in 2007, probably in its first half. Does it really matter whether it is released in March of June? Or even in September? I don't get it. Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Has Linux jumped the Shark?
Hey fellow Gentoo-ers. -Original Message- From: Norman Rieß [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 06:01 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Has Linux jumped the Shark? Jeff Rollin schrieb: Their argument seemed to be that because GNOME is running into problems and because KDE is behind schedule, the Linux desktop is dead. How true is this? Jeff Like uh, we cannot finish this tiny feature here in 3 days as planned, so let us give up the whole project? :-) And Linux is more popular than ever and gaining users (correct me if i am wrong). Developement on Gnome and KDE is going on.. So i do not see how they could be dead. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list As long as someone uses Linux, and contributes code to it, it's alive IMO. In fact I would say that every month it becomes more and more useful and I only see Linux being behind on some gaming support and some other application specific support (eg the business I work for uses many applications that only run on windows, and I am not aware of linux equivelants). Linux is more than sufficient for the average home user who goes on the internet to sell their junk on ebay, writes emails to relatives far away and watches a couple of films and listens to a few music tracks. I would say it was far from dead. Even if the Linux kernel itself were to die the same set of apps (or at least a large percentage of them) that we use on our Linux boxes will work happily on BSD with some tweaking, surely :) David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
-Original Message- From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 08:33 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy? Now often should you sync? There is no rule, and none is possible, so don't ask for one. I can give you some tips from experience though: If you run ~arch you might want to sync ever few days or so. For a regular stable (arch) system, I found once a week or once a fortnight suited me. You might be different. So try syncing once a week, if you find that you can cope OK with that, stick with it. Otherwise, sync more or less often till you find the interval that suits you. alan I tend to sync my one gentoo machine every day or two, because I like to stay up to date and play with the newest toys :). I have however paid for this enjoyment in the form of hours fixing my machine, serveral times! If you are aiming for as stable a machine as possible I would only update what you need to update, or specific packages you want to update or add. I admit to being the type that just updates everything (usually). David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:39:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: You could, as soon as you have a system in a working state, tar up the entire /usr/portage tree, Yes, I think this is a simple answer. A bit difficult for 5-7 machines if I do it separately for each, but not too bad. There's no need to do it separately, the portage tree is the same for all of them. Just make sure you exclude distfiles and packages or you're going to need an awful lot of disk space :) -- Neil Bothwick The present never ages. Each moment is like a snowflake, unique, unspoiled, unrepeatable, and can be appreciated in its surprisingness. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:23 -0700, Steve Dibb wrote: Add sys-apps/gentoo-phonehome to all system profiles :) There's actually a gentoo-stats project in the works, for those that would like to (voluntarily) let us know what systems Gentoo is being used on. Wasn't there a similar project a few years ago? I'm happy to share such information; after all, I use cookies so I've got no secrets ;-) -- Neil Bothwick The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:03:26 +0300, Bryan Østergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 12:16:04PM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Is the non-profit organization side of Gentoo healthy? My brief Google session does not reveal anything that suggests it is not, but if somebody can and may comment on this, please do so. What do you mean by healthy? There's a number of important issues the Trustees have to work out but we're getting lots (for some value of lots) of donations, improving conference attendance etc. The non-profit organisation haven't existed very long so there's obviously going to be a number of issues still to be worked out but all in all I think it's getting better. But if you'd be so kind as to define what you mean by healthy I'm sure I could help with more insights. Your post is actually the answer. If insiders feel it is healthy, then it most likely is healthy. As for my definition of healthy, it is simple: a healthy organization is not likely to quit its activities, mainly due to financial problems, in the next 10 years. If the likely is to be defined, then a healthy organization has less chances to quit in the next 10 years than 70% of all the same domain organizations that exist today. As for the next question, I am not sure that it is worth answering it, possibly there is a better way to use your time, but you may still find it interesting to know what a common user may be thinking about. Are there any plans to make a business from Gentoo, any time in the future? Are there people who work on Gentoo full time? Does the profit from the Gentoo Store cover some visible part of the Gentoo expenses? As you can see, the questions are provoked by the news I heard about Ubuntu, Debian, and Mandriva. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Has Linux jumped the Shark?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:32:15 +, Jeff Rollin wrote: Their argument seemed to be that because GNOME is running into problems and because KDE is behind schedule, the Linux desktop is dead. STOP PRESS: KDE 4 is behind schedule and KDE 3.5 stops working as a result! Although how a project without a schedule can be behind it beats me. -- Neil Bothwick Windows 98, the most installed system in the world, I know, I've done it 5 or 6 times myself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:00:41 +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: When SHOULD I sync again? That is, for how long may I not to sync and expect that ebuilds can find the files they need to download at the expected locations? It looks like this depends on the good will of 3-d parties, for example, I will get nVidia legacy drivers only if nVidia keeps them on their site or the mirror I use keeps them. I still do not know for how long old ebuilds keep working. I understand that some ebuilds can stop working any time when a 3-d party changes the file they do not allow to put on mirrors, but what is normal for an ebuild? Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). -- Neil Bothwick As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Apple keyboards with Gentoo
A. Khattri a écrit : Anyone using an Apple USB keyboard with Gentoo Linux? Specifically, Im running XFCE4 and want to figure out how to map some keys and get some missing functionality. How can I set these up with X11/XFCE? Also, I can't seem to switch between X11 and the console (I think I can't even switch consoles outside of X11) Anyone have any pointers / FAQs? (I already Googled and an archive search proved fruitless). I have a G4 iMac with a USB keyboard. My problem with (Gentoo) Linux was to get the French keyboard to work. I did not solve it myself, but I made use of the work of others: http://www.linux-france.org/macintosh/clavier_gentoo.html http://www.linux-france.org/macintosh/clavier_v4.html This may not be very closely related to your case, but there would be no harm in looking at those links to see what those people have done (if you can manage to read French). With the best. Charles -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Apple keyboards with Gentoo
-Original Message- From: Charles Trois [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 09:31 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Apple keyboards with Gentoo A. Khattri a écrit : Anyone using an Apple USB keyboard with Gentoo Linux? Specifically, Im running XFCE4 and want to figure out how to map some keys and get some missing functionality. How can I set these up with X11/XFCE? Also, I can't seem to switch between X11 and the console (I think I can't even switch consoles outside of X11) Anyone have any pointers / FAQs? (I already Googled and an archive search proved fruitless). I may be preaching to the converted, but have you tried Ctrl-Alt-Fx keys to try and get a console? Does the keyboard have any odd switches to turn the F keys on? My logitech keyboard does - to switch between hotkeys and Fx keys. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:25:01 +0300, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) -- Bo Andresen pgpVASxyfLp4e.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Help getting PCMCIA WiFi card working again
My Senao/EnGenius 200mW WiFi card was working fine for a few years, and now,
after some upgrade and a power-outage that caused a reboot, it's not. I
cannot figure out for the life of me what is wrong now. It's been two days
of constant debugging and I'm out of ideas. I'm trying to use the kernel
2.6.15-gentoo-r1 hostap and pcmcia drivers as per the suggestions I've read
that have depricated the alternatives. It's frustrating, because the card
appears to be recognized and I don't see any errors anywhere to debug
further.
daevid ~ # /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 start
* Starting wlan0
* Bringing up wlan0
* 10.10.10.1/24
* network interface wlan0 does not exist
* Please verify hardware or kernel module (driver)
daevid ~ # ifconfig
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:47:3B:65:87
inet addr:24.17.255.202 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0
UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:5739 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:150 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:363967 (355.4 Kb) TX bytes:35779 (34.9 Kb)
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:47:3B:65:88
inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:4112 (4.0 Kb) TX bytes:7001 (6.8 Kb)
loLink encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1096 (1.0 Kb) TX bytes:1096 (1.0 Kb)
daevid ~ # iwconfig
eth0 no wireless extensions.
eth1 no wireless extensions.
lono wireless extensions.
wifi0 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:test
Mode:Master Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:11 Mb/s
Sensitivity=1/3
Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
wlan0ap IEEE 802.11b ESSID:test
Mode:Master Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:11 Mb/s
Sensitivity=1/3
Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
daevid ~ # lsmod
Module Size Used by
hostap_cs 61080 1
hostap112260 1 hostap_cs
tuner 43556 0
tvaudio22300 0
bttv 157264 0
video_buf 17412 1 bttv
v4l2_common 4992 1 bttv
btcx_risc 4232 1 bttv
tveeprom 14096 1 bttv
videodev7424 1 bttv
nvidia 4547284 0
daevid ~ # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/10-wireless.rules
KERNEL==eth*, SYSFS{address}==00:02:6f:09:b2:b4, NAME=wlan0
daevid ~ # dmesg
hostap_cs: 0.4.4-kernel (Jouni Malinen [EMAIL PROTECTED])
hostap_cs: setting Vcc=33 (constant)
hostap_cs: CS_EVENT_CARD_INSERTION
hostap_cs: setting Vcc=33 (from config)
Checking CFTABLE_ENTRY 0x01 (default 0x01)
IO window settings: cfg-io.nwin=1 dflt.io.nwin=1
io-flags = 0x0046, io.base=0x, len=64
hostap_cs: Registered netdevice wifi0
hostap_cs: index 0x01: Vcc 3.3, irq 5, io 0x0100-0x013f
prism2_hw_init: initialized in 376 ms
wifi0: NIC: id=0x800c v1.0.0
wifi0: PRI: id=0x15 v1.1.0
wifi0: STA: id=0x1f v1.4.9
wifi0: defaulting to bogus WDS frame as a workaround for firmware bug in
Host AP mode WDS
wifi0: registered netdevice wlan0
daevid ~ # esearch pcmcia
* sys-apps/pcmcia-cs
Latest version available: 3.2.8-r2
Latest version installed: 3.2.8-r2
* sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-cis
Latest version available: 3.2.8-r1
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
* sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-modules
Latest version available: 3.2.8
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
* sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-pnptools
Latest version available: 3.2.8
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
* sys-apps/pcmciautils
Latest version available: 013
Latest version installed: 013
* virtual/pcmcia
Latest version available: 2.6.13
Latest version installed: 3.2.8-r2
daevid ~ # esearch udev
* sys-fs/udev
Latest version available: 103
Latest version installed: 103
daevid ~ # pccardctl info
PRODID_1=INTERSIL
PRODID_2=HFA384x/IEEE
PRODID_3=Version 01.02
PRODID_4=
MANFID=0156,0002
FUNCID=6
daevid ~ # pccardctl ls
Socket 0 Bridge:
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:52:53 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) Wow! It is in the docs already! I find this Gentoo Distfiles Mirrowing System - Overview worth reading from the user perspective, but the path to it leads through the developer specific stuff and the title is not listed in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml. I would get there all by myself reading gradually all the Gentoo documentation, but this mailing list made that happen sooner :). -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Help getting PCMCIA WiFi card working again
-Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 10:11 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Help getting PCMCIA WiFi card working again --snipsnip-- daevid ~ # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:47:3B:65:87 inet addr:24.17.255.202 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5739 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:150 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:363967 (355.4 Kb) TX bytes:35779 (34.9 Kb) eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:47:3B:65:88 inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:50 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:4112 (4.0 Kb) TX bytes:7001 (6.8 Kb) loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:1096 (1.0 Kb) TX bytes:1096 (1.0 Kb) daevid ~ # iwconfig eth0 no wireless extensions. eth1 no wireless extensions. lono wireless extensions. wifi0 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:test Mode:Master Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:11 Mb/s Sensitivity=1/3 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off wlan0ap IEEE 802.11b ESSID:test Mode:Master Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:11 Mb/s Sensitivity=1/3 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 Forgive me if I am mistaken, but doesn't this show your WLAN card not being called wlan0, but instead being called wifi0? Just a guess. David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Is Gentoo healthy?
wow.. this thing is still going.. On 12/21/06, Andrey Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:52:53 +0300, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:43, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: Files are removed from the mirrors two weeks after the last ebuild using them is removed from the tree, so if you sync every two weeks you should never suffer from missing source files (apart fro restricted ebuilds). Thanks. Must be found early in the Gentoo handbook. No. But here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/mirrors/overview-distfile.xml :) Wow! It is in the docs already! I find this Gentoo Distfiles Mirrowing System - Overview worth reading from the user perspective, but the path to it leads through the developer specific stuff and the title is not listed in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml. I would get there all by myself reading gradually all the Gentoo documentation, but this mailing list made that happen sooner :). -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
Hi, I tried to install qemu on my system. The command I used (and the response) were: emerge -v --ask --tree --newuse qemu --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-0.8.0 0 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.8.0 USE=kqemu -sdl 77 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/kqemu-0.7.2 USE=-sdl 1,310 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-user-0.8.0 0 kB The compilation of qemu-user dies with the error msg --start-- ar rcs libqemu.a exec.o kqemu.o translate-op.o translate-all.o cpu-exec.o translate.o op.o fpu/softfloat-native.o helper.o helper2.o translate-copy.o disas.o i386-dis.o gcc -g -Wl,-shared -o qemu-i386 elfload.o main.o syscall.o mmap.o signal.o path.o osdep.o thunk.o vm86.o libqemu.a gdbstub.o -lm /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in libqemu.a(helper2.o) /lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [qemu-i386] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/qemu-user-0.8.0/work/qemu-0.8.0/i386-user' make: *** [all] Error 1 !!! ERROR: app-emulation/qemu-user-0.8.0 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1546: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 937: Called src_compile qemu-user-0.8.0.ebuild, line 73: Called die !!! make failed !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. --end-- OK. What now??? Puzzled in Vienna, Wolfgang Liebich -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
On Friday, 22 December 2006 0:30, Wolfgang Liebich wrote: Hi, I tried to install qemu on my system. The command I used (and the response) were: emerge -v --ask --tree --newuse qemu --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-0.8.0 0 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.8.0 USE=kqemu -sdl 77 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/kqemu-0.7.2 USE=-sdl 1,310 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-user-0.8.0 0 kB The compilation of qemu-user dies with the error msg --start-- [snip] --end-- OK. What now??? Puzzled in Vienna, Wolfgang Liebich You need gcc 3.x to compile Qemu. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown
When I log out of Gentoo and select reboot, the computer reboots fine, but when I select shutdown, the computer hangs at: Remounting remaning filesystems readonly, and no other messages. It just sits forever. I re-emerged baselayout and checked my shutdown.sh, it all looks ok, but...no go. Any ideas? Douglas
RE: [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown
What filesystems do you have mounted usually? David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -Original Message- From: Douglas Linford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 14:40 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown When I log out of Gentoo and select reboot, the computer reboots fine, but when I select shutdown, the computer hangs at: Remounting remaning filesystems readonly, and no other messages. It just sits forever. I re-emerged baselayout and checked my shutdown.sh, it all looks ok, but...no go. Any ideas? Douglas
[gentoo-user] hal startup messages
Hello, I'm seeing these messages when hal starts: * Stopping Automounter ... [ ok ] * Stopping Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon ... [ ok ] * Stopping D-BUS system messagebus ... [ ok ] * Starting D-BUS system messagebus ... [ ok ] * Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon ... [ ok ] * Starting Automounter ... 9713: arguments to dbus_move_error() were incorrect, assertion (dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest)) failed in file dbus-errors.c line 243. This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library. [snipped 4 repeats of this message] libhal.c 373 : No property volume.mount_point on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_9388bc97_a9b4_47a1_85ed_b2c302c47865* fred rmason # emerge -pv hal dbus Version information: These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.7-r3 USE=acpi crypt -debug -dmi -doc -pcmcia (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild R ] sys-apps/dbus-0.62-r2 USE=X gtk python -debug -doc -mono -qt3 -qt4 (-selinux) 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB fred rmason # uname -a Linux fred 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 #12 Mon Nov 13 17:21:34 NST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz GNU/Linux Has anyone any idea how to fix this? Thanks, Roger Mason -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown
David, These are my fstab mounts: /dev/sdb1 /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2 /dev/sdb3 / ext2 noatime 0 1 /dev/sdb2 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0 /dev/sda6 /media/XPData ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0 /dev/sda7 /media/XPMedia ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0 shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 And as an update, I also re-emerged sysvinit, (there was a post on the Gentoo Forums that said this fixed a similar issue). Douglas On 12/21/06, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What filesystems do you have mounted usually? David *Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. * -Original Message- *From:* Douglas Linford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 21 December 2006 14:40 *To:* gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org *Subject:* [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown When I log out of Gentoo and select reboot, the computer reboots fine, but when I select shutdown, the computer hangs at: Remounting remaning filesystems readonly, and no other messages. It just sits forever. I re-emerged baselayout and checked my shutdown.sh, it all looks ok, but...no go. Any ideas? Douglas
Re: [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown
2006/12/21, Douglas Linford [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When I log out of Gentoo and select reboot, the computer reboots fine, but when I select shutdown, the computer hangs at: Remounting remaning filesystems readonly, and no other messages. It just sits forever. I re-emerged baselayout and checked my shutdown.sh, it all looks ok, but...no go. Any ideas? Douglas Did u check other virtual screens ? (The messages u are looking for can be on one of them.) If the machine do not switch off, probe to play with ACPI APM in kernel setup. noro -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] hal startup messages
Roger Mason wrote: Hello, I'm seeing these messages when hal starts: * Stopping Automounter ... [ ok ] * Stopping Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon ... [ ok ] * Stopping D-BUS system messagebus ... [ ok ] * Starting D-BUS system messagebus ... [ ok ] * Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon ... [ ok ] * Starting Automounter ... 9713: arguments to dbus_move_error() were incorrect, assertion (dest) == NULL || !dbus_error_is_set ((dest)) failed in file dbus-errors.c line 243. This is normally a bug in some application using the D-BUS library. [snipped 4 repeats of this message] libhal.c 373 : No property volume.mount_point on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_9388bc97_a9b4_47a1_85ed_b2c302c47865* fred rmason # emerge -pv hal dbus Version information: These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.7-r3 USE=acpi crypt -debug -dmi -doc -pcmcia (-selinux) 0 kB [ebuild R ] sys-apps/dbus-0.62-r2 USE=X gtk python -debug -doc -mono -qt3 -qt4 (-selinux) 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB fred rmason # uname -a Linux fred 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 #12 Mon Nov 13 17:21:34 NST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz GNU/Linux Has anyone any idea how to fix this? Thanks, Roger Mason Did you upgrade recently? May need to do a etc-update or whatever you use to update your config files. Worth a try. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown
Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: What filesystems do you have mounted usually? David /Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list./ -Original Message- *From:* Douglas Linford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 21 December 2006 14:40 *To:* gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org *Subject:* [gentoo-user] Reboots ok...but no Shutdown When I log out of Gentoo and select reboot, the computer reboots fine, but when I select shutdown, the computer hangs at: Remounting remaning filesystems readonly, and no other messages. It just sits forever. I re-emerged baselayout and checked my shutdown.sh, it all looks ok, but...no go. Any ideas? Douglas You may need to check the kernel too. I think you have to enable APM or ACPI or something for it to power off. Can't recall which. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On 21/12/06, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk that the user might nuke the partitions containing Windows is always there regardless of what distro you use. You still make the same decisions, fdisk, cfdisk and gparted are still there. Whether you click here, click OK then say oops... or type fdisk /dev/sda some stuff then say oops you're still gonna say oops This is the part where I point out (for the benefit of readers *other* than Alan, probably) that the user, if he is going to have to (re)install Windows, is at risk of nuking the partitions already containing Windows/Linux/SkyOS/$MYFAVOS anyway. Whether you click here, click ok then say 'oops' or type 'fdisk c:' some stuff then say 'oops' you're still gonna say 'oops'. Last I heard, btw, Windows was still using a nasty type-at-me-don't-click partitioner. My £0.02 Jeff. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] using package.provided
This section is snipped one of Allen M. posts on the monster gentoo health thread (last paragraph is where my topic starts: [...] Archive a portage tree by all means. But if an ebuild is removed that a user want to keep, the solution is so simple it's amazing. Copy the ebuild to /usr/local/portage in the correct directory structure. I maintain my own enlightenment-17 ebuilds, so to start I did this: mkdir -p /usr/local/portage/x11-wm cp -ar /usr/portage/x11-wm/e /usr/local/portage/x11-wm Run emerge. Simple as that. You might need to add an entry to package.mask so that portage won't use later versions in the main tree but that's all part of normal gentoo usage anyway. [...] In the event user runs with ~ARCHITECTURE flag set then masking won't do it... right? So my understanding is that user needs to set something in: /etc/portage/profile/package.provided showing an equal or higher version number than what is available in portage (masked or not). (To maintain users own package) Assuming I got this much right, is there a better way? I ask because setting a higher version number might eventually need bumping still higher... or if versioning changes somehow will `higher' not be noticed. Looking for a way not to have to check package.provided to make sure versioning is still good. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
Jeff Rollin wrote: On 21/12/06, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The risk that the user might nuke the partitions containing Windows is always there regardless of what distro you use. You still make the same decisions, fdisk, cfdisk and gparted are still there. Whether you click here, click OK then say oops... or type fdisk /dev/sda some stuff then say oops you're still gonna say oops This is the part where I point out (for the benefit of readers *other* than Alan, probably) that the user, if he is going to have to (re)install Windows, is at risk of nuking the partitions already containing Windows/Linux/SkyOS/$MYFAVOS anyway. Whether you click here, click ok then say 'oops' or type 'fdisk c:' some stuff then say 'oops' you're still gonna say 'oops'. Last I heard, btw, Windows was still using a nasty type-at-me-don't-click partitioner. My £0.02 Jeff. All things considered, Mandrake is easier to install than windoze any day. You think about it, you set up the drives, select ALL the software you can fit and hit the install button. How easy is that? You only have to reboot once too. I counted six reboots the last time I installed XP for somebody. It took longer too. Then you get to install the software you had to buy, including anti-virus, adware protection, trojan watchers and all that. Yea, I pick Linux. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On 21/12/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All things considered, Mandrake is easier to install than windoze any day. You think about it, you set up the drives, select ALL the software you can fit and hit the install button. How easy is that? You only have to reboot once too. I counted six reboots the last time I installed XP for somebody. It took longer too. Then you get to install the software you had to buy, including anti-virus, adware protection, trojan watchers and all that. Yea, I pick Linux. Precisely. Jeff http://latedeveloperbasketcase.blogspot.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] using package.provided
On Thursday 21 December 2006 18:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the event user runs with ~ARCHITECTURE flag set then masking won't do it... right? Wrong. Masking says what portage should include as installable. Look inside an ebuild and you will see lines like KEYWORDS=~ppc sparc x86 That means that this ebuild is OK for unstable ppc, sparc and x86. It's also OK for ~sparc and ~x86. So if you run ~arch then you can install any unstable package, and you can also install anything in package.keywords that's marked ~arch (or blank, as that's how that file works) So my understanding is that user needs to set something in: /etc/portage/profile/package.provided showing an equal or higher version number than what is available in portage (masked or not). (To maintain users own package) No, this is completely wrong. Go read the man page - man 5 ebuild provided is for packages that you have already provided by other means that portage. Example - kernels. Some users like to do the kernel themselves without any help form portage. But portage insists on knowing about your kernel and will want to install one. So with package.provided you are essentially saying Assume this package is already there and I have provided it. I'm the user - trust me Assuming I got this much right, is there a better way? Yes, do it the way portage is designed to work. With overlays (assuming we are still on-topic from my original post I ask because setting a higher version number might eventually need bumping still higher... or if versioning changes somehow will `higher' not be noticed. If you want to maintain and use old package-1.0.0 by yourself, and there is already package-2.3 in the portage tree, then you need to mask out any version greater than your custom ebuild. So, you put this in /etc/portage/package.mask: package-1.0.0 Thus, everthing else in the tree is masked out and can't be used by portage. the only thing left is the ebuild in your overlay in /usr/local/portage Looking for a way not to have to check package.provided to make sure versioning is still good. You need to learn more about portage. Read: man portage man 5 portage man ebuild man 5 ebuild All your questions are answered in there. alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] using package.provided
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:04:33 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Archive a portage tree by all means. But if an ebuild is removed that a user want to keep, the solution is so simple it's amazing. Copy the ebuild to /usr/local/portage in the correct directory structure. I maintain my own enlightenment-17 ebuilds, so to start I did this: mkdir -p /usr/local/portage/x11-wm cp -ar /usr/portage/x11-wm/e /usr/local/portage/x11-wm Run emerge. Simple as that. You might need to add an entry to package.mask so that portage won't use later versions in the main tree but that's all part of normal gentoo usage anyway. [...] In the event user runs with ~ARCHITECTURE flag set then masking won't do it... right? Wrong. Package masking is independent of keyword masking. Adding an atom to package.mask will mask all matching versions, no matter what their keywords. So my understanding is that user needs to set something in: /etc/portage/profile/package.provided showing an equal or higher version number than what is available in portage (masked or not). (To maintain users own package) package.provided is intended for use when you install something without portage - it's your way of telling portage the package is installed even though it's not in the database. I ask because setting a higher version number might eventually need bumping still higher... or if versioning changes somehow will `higher' not be noticed. If an installed package requires a higher version than you have installed, then it needs it. Lying to portage about the version you have installed won't fix that, it just delays the breakage until later. Masking on the other had, produces a civilised error message telling you that package A needs package B greater than version N, and that it is masked. Looking for a way not to have to check package.provided to make sure versioning is still good. While package.provided does have some genuine uses, one of its main functions is to provide people who don't fully understand it with a simple way of producing hard to diagnose system breakages :( -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 010: Reserved for future mistakes by our developers signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: using package.provided
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I ask because setting a higher version number might eventually need bumping still higher... or if versioning changes somehow will `higher' not be noticed. If you want to maintain and use old package-1.0.0 by yourself, and there is already package-2.3 in the portage tree, then you need to mask out any version greater than your custom ebuild. So, you put this in /etc/portage/package.mask: Thanks for the tips on other areas too, but the above tip clears up something I've had wrong for some time. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
-Original Message- From: Jeff Rollin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2006 16:12 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy? On 21/12/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All things considered, Mandrake is easier to install than windoze any day. You think about it, you set up the drives, select ALL the software you can fit and hit the install button. How easy is that? You only have to reboot once too. I counted six reboots the last time I installed XP for somebody. It took longer too. Then you get to install the software you had to buy, including anti-virus, adware protection, trojan watchers and all that. Yea, I pick Linux. Precisely. Jeff Credit where credit is due, Windows XP improves over Windows 98 in that it doesnt dump you at a plan desktop with no drivers installed. They are making progress, and soon Windows may actually be ready for the desktop ;) David Note: These views are my own, advice is provided with no guarantee of success. I do not represent anyone else in any emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: using package.provided
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While package.provided does have some genuine uses, one of its main functions is to provide people who don't fully understand it with a simple way of producing hard to diagnose system breakages :( Very good Made my day. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: using package.provided
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This section is snipped [from -sic] one of Allen M. posts ^ Please excuse the misspelling -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] hal startup messages
Hi Dale, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roger Mason wrote: Hello, I'm seeing these messages when hal starts: Did you upgrade recently? May need to do a etc-update or whatever you use to update your config files. Worth a try. Dale Yes, I tried that already - no luck :-( I upgraded to the ~x86 versions then reverted to those given in my original post. I ran revdep-rebuild afterwards and verified that nothing further needed rebuilding by running revdep-rebuild -p, which reported everything as being consistent. Thanks for your reply, Roger -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On 21/12/06, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All things considered, Mandrake is easier to install than windoze any day. You think about it, you set up the drives, select ALL the software you can fit and hit the install button. How easy is that? You only have to reboot once too. I counted six reboots the last time I installed XP for somebody. It took longer too. Then you get to install the software you had to buy, including anti-virus, adware protection, trojan watchers and all that. Yea, I pick Linux. Credit where credit is due, Windows XP improves over Windows 98 in that it doesnt dump you at a plan desktop with no drivers installed. They are making progress, and soon Windows may actually be ready for the desktop ;) David Call me just-an-MS-hating-Grinch if you want to, but the thing I find most frustrating about MS Windows is that for every advance they make in one area, they take a step backwards in another! Yes, XP does come with drivers, and does include a fire-and-forget installation option for those that want it - but it also loses lots of drivers - i remember having to get on the net on another machine because xp didn't include a driver for a serially-attached external modem. Bah! Not to mention that instead of hiding an advanced installation option which lets you install on whichever drive you like, with whatever software options you like, behind some sort of curtain - maybe, umm, I dunno, a button marked advanced installation? - it instead /completely removes the possibility of doing an advanced installation at all! Poo! Jeff -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
Raymond Lewis Rebbeck написа: On Friday, 22 December 2006 0:30, Wolfgang Liebich wrote: Hi, I tried to install qemu on my system. The command I used (and the response) were: emerge -v --ask --tree --newuse qemu --newuse implies --update... adding --update to options. These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-0.8.0 0 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.8.0 USE=kqemu -sdl 77 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/kqemu-0.7.2 USE=-sdl 1,310 kB [ebuild N] app-emulation/qemu-user-0.8.0 0 kB The compilation of qemu-user dies with the error msg --start-- [snip] --end-- OK. What now??? Puzzled in Vienna, Wolfgang Liebich You need gcc 3.x to compile Qemu. Hi, +1 for gcc-3.X. Just to add that maybe you'll have to use gcc-3.4.X for kernel compilation too, if you use kqemu USE-flag (as above). I compile the 'kernel'+all of qemu with 3.4.X HTH. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[gentoo-user] What gives
Whats going on...? No has slipped something deadly into portage or otherwise caused upgrade world calamity. After about 1 mnth, I just did -uD world and had no problems during or after the update. And revdep-rebuild also came up clean. Something is wrong here maybe I'm learning a little bit about how to run gentoo. nahh... must be something else. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What gives
On 21/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats going on...? No has slipped something deadly into portage or otherwise caused upgrade world calamity. After about 1 mnth, I just did -uD world and had no problems during or after the update. And revdep-rebuild also came up clean. Something is wrong here maybe I'm learning a little bit about how to run gentoo. nahh... must be something else. Heh Congrats Jeff -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What gives
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 11:21 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats going on...? No has slipped something deadly into portage or otherwise caused upgrade world calamity. After about 1 mnth, I just did -uD world and had no problems during or after the update. And revdep-rebuild also came up clean. Something is wrong here maybe I'm learning a little bit about how to run gentoo. nahh... must be something else. Could it just be that you got caught up in a Windows flashback? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Misconfigured system
I'm beginning to think my system configuration is a mess. It started with worrying about Postfix, but has quickly escalated. I was trying to figure out what Postfix knows and where it knows it when I found that I seem to have no domain name. That is, the shell command domainname(1) returns (none). This seems odd, because I've got it set up as nearly as I can see according to gentoo docs http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=8#doc_chap2 since my /etc/conf.d/net contains (among other things) dns_domain=kosmanor.com BTW: it also says to set dns_domain_lo, but I have no name for my internal network, and haven't seen a reason to create one. Nevertheless, even the system calls getdomainname(2) and uname(2) return the string (none). What am I missing? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 12:00:28PM +0300, Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: As for my definition of healthy, it is simple: a healthy organization is not likely to quit its activities, mainly due to financial problems, in the next 10 years. If the likely is to be defined, then a healthy organization has less chances to quit in the next 10 years than 70% of all the same domain organizations that exist today. Oh wow, 10 years is a really long time in the world of community driven open source projects. I don't think anybody will ever be able to answer that question. That said, Gentoo definitely isn't driven by finances - what drives Gentoo is a great community and a bunch of developers working their butts off on a distribution they love and care about. As for the next question, I am not sure that it is worth answering it, possibly there is a better way to use your time, but you may still find it interesting to know what a common user may be thinking about. Are there any plans to make a business from Gentoo, any time in the future? Are there people who work on Gentoo full time? Does the profit from the Gentoo Store cover some visible part of the Gentoo expenses? Gentoo have no plans of making a business from our work. We've sorta tried that in the past with Gentoo Games but the developers really wanted a non-profit organisation. As for what the money from the Gentoo store and donations etc. is used for, that is controlled by the Trustees. I believe there's work being done to establish event kits so we'd have everything needed for conferences readibly available. There's also money spend on infrastructure things (domain renewals, assorted hardware etc). And while on this topic I should really thank all our great sponsors providing bandwidth, mirrors, servers, development boxes and so on. As far as I know there's no developers that's paid to work on Gentoo as their primary job. I believe there's a few developers who have some paid time to work on open source projects (like Gentoo) though as part of their contracts. As you can see, the questions are provoked by the news I heard about Ubuntu, Debian, and Mandriva. Hope this answered most of your questions. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Vmware player startup error message
When I start vmware player, I always get this message: /opt/vmware/player/lib/bin/vmplayer: /opt/vmware/player/lib/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) Vmware seems to run anyway, so I'm not sure -- is this a problem? Both cairo and vmware are installed by portage, and I'm not aware of any configuration I have done aside from the virtual machine images. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Misconfigured system
On 21/12/06, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to think my system configuration is a mess. It started with worrying about Postfix, but has quickly escalated. I was trying to figure out what Postfix knows and where it knows it when I found that I seem to have no domain name. That is, the shell command domainname(1) returns (none). This seems odd, because I've got it set up as nearly as I can see according to gentoo docs http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=8#doc_chap2 since my /etc/conf.d/net contains (among other things) dns_domain=kosmanor.com BTW: it also says to set dns_domain_lo, but I have no name for my internal network, and haven't seen a reason to create one. Nevertheless, even the system calls getdomainname(2) and uname(2) return the string (none). What am I missing? That's because the command domainname and the systemcalls getdomainname(2) are return the NIS domainname, not the IP domainname. uname(2) returns the domainname of the machine the kernel was compiled on, at the time when it was compiled. To find the tcp/ip domain name of a system, use hostname(1). Yes, it is daft - but, that's what happens when an OS acquires a history, I suppose Jeff. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Vmware player startup error message
I get the same message. vmware seems to work just fine, don't worry about it. Kevin O'Gorman wrote: When I start vmware player, I always get this message: /opt/vmware/player/lib/bin/vmplayer: /opt/vmware/player/lib/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) Vmware seems to run anyway, so I'm not sure -- is this a problem? Both cairo and vmware are installed by portage, and I'm not aware of any configuration I have done aside from the virtual machine images. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
Dnia czwartek, 21 grudnia 2006 18:13, Rumen Yotov napisał: Hi, +1 for gcc-3.X. Just to add that maybe you'll have to use gcc-3.4.X for kernel compilation too, if you use kqemu USE-flag (as above). I compile the 'kernel'+all of qemu with 3.4.X No, you don't need GCC3 to compile _kqemu_. kqemu communicates with QEMU via device and may be compiled by different version of GCC. Works fine for me. So GCC3 for QEMU and GCC4 for kqemu and kernel. -- Pawel Kraszewski www.kraszewscy.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 21:09, Benno Schulenberg wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: At that point it's gone. I cannot put into an overlay what I don't have. Probably most frustrating has been that I don't know it will be removed until it's been removed. You could, as soon as you have a system in a working state, tar up the entire /usr/portage tree, [...] No, no, no that's wy too much work. On the contrary, it's very little work: just a simple tar command. But the tarball will eat loads of disk space when not excluding distfiles. Archive a portage tree by all means. But if an ebuild is removed that a user want to keep, the solution is so simple it's amazing. Copy the ebuild to /usr/local/portage [...] But he can't: the ebuild is gone. That is the case we're trying to solve here: he has emerged a newer version of a package, finds it doesn't work correctly, wants to go back to the previous version, but seess that that version is gone. How to get it back? One way is to get it from viewcvs on the net. Another way is to keep a copy of all the ebuilds yourself. It's a big waste of space, but it is simple, no searching on the web required. The best way, of course, is to use the binary package thing. Mark: add EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=-b to your /etc/make.conf. This will tell emerge to also build a binary package for every package that you emerge. Whenever you find that an upgrade of some package was unfortunate, do an 'emerge -K =package-x.y.z' with the exact version number you want to restore, and done. No manual tarring and untarring required, emerge does it all. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What gives
Michael Sullivan wrote: On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 11:21 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats going on...? No has slipped something deadly into portage or otherwise caused upgrade world calamity. After about 1 mnth, I just did -uD world and had no problems during or after the update. And revdep-rebuild also came up clean. Something is wrong here maybe I'm learning a little bit about how to run gentoo. nahh... must be something else. Could it just be that you got caught up in a Windows flashback? Funny, same thing here, for a long time now. It does seem that after a while updates go real smooth. Maybe a config update now and again but other than that, it just works. O_O Here's to this happening some more, for more people too. Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 22:28, Benno Schulenberg wrote: The best way, of course, is to use the binary package thing. Mark: add EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=-b to your /etc/make.conf. Heh, that's FEATURES=buildpkg. -- Bo Andresen pgpnYnJICjouK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 00:44 +1030, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote: You need gcc 3.x to compile Qemu. So how does one go about this? Would emerge gcc-3.4.4 (or whatever the version you want to use) do the trick? Is there anything else that would need to be done? As in, would one need to tell the portage to use the old compiler to build qemu, or would it just do it automatically? Shouldn't the e-build depend on gcc 3.x? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to gain better understanding! Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com Aliens DO indeed exist. They just know better than to visit a planet that Chuck Norris is on. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On 12/21/06, Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 21:09, Benno Schulenberg wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: At that point it's gone. I cannot put into an overlay what I don't have. Probably most frustrating has been that I don't know it will be removed until it's been removed. You could, as soon as you have a system in a working state, tar up the entire /usr/portage tree, [...] No, no, no that's wy too much work. On the contrary, it's very little work: just a simple tar command. But the tarball will eat loads of disk space when not excluding distfiles. Archive a portage tree by all means. But if an ebuild is removed that a user want to keep, the solution is so simple it's amazing. Copy the ebuild to /usr/local/portage [...] But he can't: the ebuild is gone. That is the case we're trying to solve here: he has emerged a newer version of a package, finds it doesn't work correctly, wants to go back to the previous version, but seess that that version is gone. How to get it back? One way is to get it from viewcvs on the net. Another way is to keep a copy of all the ebuilds yourself. It's a big waste of space, but it is simple, no searching on the web required. The best way, of course, is to use the binary package thing. Mark: add EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=-b to your /etc/make.conf. This will tell emerge to also build a binary package for every package that you emerge. Whenever you find that an upgrade of some package was unfortunate, do an 'emerge -K =package-x.y.z' with the exact version number you want to restore, and done. No manual tarring and untarring required, emerge does it all. Benno Benno, Now that is an interesting solution, especially for my Myth boxes which do not get touched for 6 months to 1 year. I've had problems with Gentoo devs getting rid of older ati-drivers, mythtv to some small extent ivtv a long time ago. Anyway, if binary packages were built and stored in some reasonable location then I could probably prune out things that I'm not worried about, like fluxbox, etc., but keep the critical stuff like Myth, video drivers. I'll check it out, as well as Bo's FEATURES=buildpkg comment. I wonder if -b could be put in one of the /etc/portage/package.XXX files so that it could be done every time for ejust specific packages? Thanks for the idea! Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Friday 22 December 2006 01:26, Mark Knecht wrote:
I wonder if -b could be put in one of the /etc/portage/package.XXX
files so that it could be done every time for ejust specific packages?
That doesn't seem to work (because the FEATURES and EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS vars
are checked on the python side before sourcing bashrc). What you can do,
however, is use quickpkg to create a binary package after it has been
installed. That can be automated via the post_pkg_postinst() user hook:
# mkdir -p /etc/portage/env/$category \
echo 'post_pkg_postinst() {
quickpkg =${CATEGORY}/${PF}
}' /etc/portage/env/$category/$name
Personally I just use FEATURES=buildpkg fixpackages (and more) for
everything though. :)
--
Bo Andresen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 09:54, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:18:23 -0700, Steve Dibb wrote: Add sys-apps/gentoo-phonehome to all system profiles :) There's actually a gentoo-stats project in the works, for those that would like to (voluntarily) let us know what systems Gentoo is being used on. Wasn't there a similar project a few years ago? I'm happy to share such information; after all, I use cookies so I've got no secrets ;-) I'm starting to wonder if you missed this mail on the subject: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/175964/focus=176095 Also there seem to be some results from it at: http://stats.soc.gentoo.org/ -- Bo Andresen pgpqGM7e2eo3x.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] [OT]:Evolution/OpenOffice spell checking not working
Hi, On my dad's machine - 350 miles remote from me - he reports that spell checking has ceased to work. In Evolution the option to check is grey'ed out. In Open Office he says it acts like it's spell checking but isn't doing anything and completes with spelling mistakes. I took a quick look in the forums but didn't spot anything very similar. Since this is OO-bin it's not like I do anything to add spell checking with USE flags. The environment is Gnome. The problem has been around in Evolution for awhile (since before his gcc-4.1.1. upgrade of last week) but is apparently new Open Office or at least this is the first I've heard about it. Is spell checking something that is provided by Gnome or is it driven by each application? Any config options I should go looking for? Thanks in advance, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Misconfigured system
On 12/21/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/12/06, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to think my system configuration is a mess. It started with worrying about Postfix, but has quickly escalated. I was trying to figure out what Postfix knows and where it knows it when I found that I seem to have no domain name. That is, the shell command domainname(1) returns (none). This seems odd, because I've got it set up as nearly as I can see according to gentoo docs http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=8#doc_chap2 since my /etc/conf.d/net contains (among other things) dns_domain=kosmanor.com BTW: it also says to set dns_domain_lo, but I have no name for my internal network, and haven't seen a reason to create one. Nevertheless, even the system calls getdomainname(2) and uname(2) return the string (none). What am I missing? That's because the command domainname and the systemcalls getdomainname(2) are return the NIS domainname, not the IP domainname. uname(2) returns the domainname of the machine the kernel was compiled on, at the time when it was compiled. To find the tcp/ip domain name of a system, use hostname(1). Yes, it is daft - but, that's what happens when an OS acquires a history, I suppose Thanks, but that won't get me an IP domainname, because all that is there is the name of the node. Should I change that in /etc/conf.d/net??? ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
Randy Barlow написа: On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 00:44 +1030, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck wrote: You need gcc 3.x to compile Qemu. So how does one go about this? Would emerge gcc-3.4.4 (or whatever the version you want to use) do the trick? Is there anything else that would need to be done? As in, would one need to tell the portage to use the old compiler to build qemu, or would it just do it automatically? Shouldn't the e-build depend on gcc 3.x? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to gain better understanding! Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com Aliens DO indeed exist. They just know better than to visit a planet that Chuck Norris is on. Hi, GCC is SLOTed, you could have more than one/two versions at once. Managed with 'gcc-config ...'. Check the options. Check with eix ^gcc$ to see all available versions, then run: emerge =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-rX (depending on your arch/~arch). Then play with 'gcc-config' to go backforth (do source /etc/profile afterwards). IIRC the ebuild (qemu-softmmu) gives out a warning if build with 4.X, check the ebuild. HTH. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] fbiterm
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 05:36:45PM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: What is it? eix says Framebuffer internationalized terminal emulator and the homepage is supposed to be http://www-124.ibm.com/linux/projects/iterm/; It seems this is a IBM decoy, since it gets mercilessly redirected to http://www.ibm.com/us/ (I really really hate this kind of behaviour!) Anyone using this? I'm just curious about how far one can go without X... And thus sprach Google: http://www.openi18n.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=18page=1 If you search on IBM.com, they now link almost all opensource/linux projects to their respective consortium/SF pages. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/projects.jsp Unfortunately, the openi18n webpages seems a bit outdated. So it might be possible that, unlike the link above suggests, fbiterm actually has decent IM support now. Best of luck with your quest. Just for reference, I've found it quite possible to run X-less on my laptop for the most part. I browse the web in links2 with framebuffer support. For CJK, I run zhcon over framebuffer, and browse the web in w3mmee. fbida is a good image/pdf/ps viewer for framebuffer. I only really start X when I feel the need to have many terminals open side by side, do some gimp stuff, or run dosbox to play games. W -- A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake of calories in one place. Now, isn't that handy? Sortir en Pantoufles: up 14 days, 3:01 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Misconfigured system
On 12/21/06, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/21/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/12/06, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to think my system configuration is a mess. It started with worrying about Postfix, but has quickly escalated. I was trying to figure out what Postfix knows and where it knows it when I found that I seem to have no domain name. That is, the shell command domainname(1) returns (none). This seems odd, because I've got it set up as nearly as I can see according to gentoo docs http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=8#doc_chap2 since my /etc/conf.d/net contains (among other things) dns_domain=kosmanor.com BTW: it also says to set dns_domain_lo, but I have no name for my internal network, and haven't seen a reason to create one. Nevertheless, even the system calls getdomainname(2) and uname(2) return the string (none). What am I missing? That's because the command domainname and the systemcalls getdomainname(2) are return the NIS domainname, not the IP domainname. uname(2) returns the domainname of the machine the kernel was compiled on, at the time when it was compiled. To find the tcp/ip domain name of a system, use hostname(1). Yes, it is daft - but, that's what happens when an OS acquires a history, I suppose Thanks, but that won't get me an IP domainname, because all that is there is the name of the node. Should I change that in /etc/conf.d/net??? Oops. I should have known I could answer my own question with a little more digging. I now see that there's hostname hostname --fqdn dnsdomainname and they all work by looking in /etc/host.conf, and if (as is true here) that says to use the hosts file first, it looks for it in /etc/hosts, which has the fqdn. I seem to dimly recall that it actually looks for the first non-comment, but that cannot be quite right, because localhost comes first in my copy. Maybe it's the first routable IP number? I think this sub-problem is solved. I've commented my config files a bit more, so I won't make the same mistake again. ++ kevin -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] using package.provided
On 21 December 2006 18:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: package.provided is intended for use when you install something without portage - it's your way of telling portage the package is installed even though it's not in the database. What is that good for? Say I write my own app (like the one my signature refers to) and install it system-wide without creating an ebuild, what does it change if I put it into package.provided? I mean portage doesn't know anything about it either way. Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]:Evolution/OpenOffice spell checking not working
Mark, There's some dictionaries you've got to include to allow for the spell check to work in OO.o... From memory, try: # emerge -DNuva aspell-en # emerge -DNuva hunspell I'm sure there's more to include, but I can't remember them. Don't forget to restart OO.o to pick up the new dictionaries... To see all the available dictionaries, try: # emerge -s spell HTH, ...Ric On 22/12/06, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On my dad's machine - 350 miles remote from me - he reports that spell checking has ceased to work. In Evolution the option to check is grey'ed out. In Open Office he says it acts like it's spell checking but isn't doing anything and completes with spelling mistakes. I took a quick look in the forums but didn't spot anything very similar. Since this is OO-bin it's not like I do anything to add spell checking with USE flags. The environment is Gnome. The problem has been around in Evolution for awhile (since before his gcc-4.1.1. upgrade of last week) but is apparently new Open Office or at least this is the first I've heard about it. Is spell checking something that is provided by Gnome or is it driven by each application? Any config options I should go looking for? Thanks in advance, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Ric de France Ph: +61412945554 (international) or 0412945554 (Australia) == Do you, uh... Gentoo? Gent-hooo!! == == http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml == -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Compiler error during qemu installation
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 06:29 +0200, Rumen Yotov wrote: GCC is SLOTed, you could have more than one/two versions at once. Managed with 'gcc-config ...'. Check the options. Check with eix ^gcc$ to see all available versions, then run: emerge =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-rX (depending on your arch/~arch). Then play with 'gcc-config' to go backforth (do source /etc/profile afterwards). IIRC the ebuild (qemu-softmmu) gives out a warning if build with 4.X, check the ebuild. Howdy, thanks for the reply! I've followed the guide at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO:_Qemu which kind of worked. I wasn't able to emerge qemu, but I was able to emerge qemu-softmmu, which is all I really needed (though I do sometimes like to play with other architectures...) Even using the 3.4.6 compiler, qemu-user complains about libc as the original poster talked about. Of course, all of this is fixed in qemu-0.8.2 supposedly, but I prefer not to use ~x86 if I can help it. Thanks again! Randy Barlow http://www.electronsweatshop.com Aliens DO indeed exist. They just know better than to visit a planet that Chuck Norris is on. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] using package.provided
On Thursday 21 December 2006 19:36, Uwe Thiem wrote: On 21 December 2006 18:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: package.provided is intended for use when you install something without portage - it's your way of telling portage the package is installed even though it's not in the database. What is that good for? Say I write my own app (like the one my signature refers to) and install it system-wide without creating an ebuild, what does it change if I put it into package.provided? I mean portage doesn't know anything about it either way. package.provided is not there for that purpose. It's there for cases when a package should be present but portage hasn't installed it (like highly custom kernels) and you don't intend for portage to ever install it either. But portage insists that a kernel must be present. So you tell it that _you_ have provided one yourself. It's all a bit of a hack and a dodge because 'emerge world' tends to obliterate your provideds anyway (according to some arcane man page somewhere), and it seems to be very much an edge case for those 3 people in the whole world that need/want it. Myself, I have never used it. If it's not in portage, I write my own ebuild, or put it in /usr/local alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy?
On Thursday 21 December 2006 23:28, Benno Schulenberg wrote: But he can't: the ebuild is gone. That is the case we're trying to solve here: he has emerged a newer version of a package, finds it doesn't work correctly, wants to go back to the previous version, but seess that that version is gone. How to get it back? One way is to get it from viewcvs on the net. Another way is to keep a copy of all the ebuilds yourself. It's a big waste of space, but it is simple, no searching on the web required. The best way, of course, is to use the binary package thing. Mark: add EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=-b to your /etc/make.conf. This will tell emerge to also build a binary package for every package that you emerge. Whenever you find that an upgrade of some package was unfortunate, do an 'emerge -K =package-x.y.z' with the exact version number you want to restore, and done. No manual tarring and untarring required, emerge does it all. I can't believe you are advocating either of those solutions. It means you retain 500M worth of tgz'ed portage tree for just in case an ebuild leaves the tree. Any custom changes you make to the tree are wiped out with the next --sync anyway, so now the user has to remember which ones were updated and remember to put them all back. A bin package is equally cumbersome. You will very quickly consume huge amounts of disk space - at least equal to all the current packages on the system plus old ones that were updated. With an average notebook 40G drive, that's 40% of your disk space gone right there. And the user still has to remember which packages are the customized ones. Trust me, the portage devs have already figured all this out and overlays are exactly the solution for this. The user already has to be online to have updated, so all he needs do is get the desired ebuild from cvs, copy it to /usr/local/portage, block updates to that package using package.mask and then GO AWAY AND FORGET ALL ABOUT IT. No more maintenance, no monthly tars, no vast amounts of disk space consumed. it all just works. Tell me, have you ever actually used overlays? alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Need help setting up HostAP and Intersil Prism card via PCMCIA adapter
I had this working for years, but some UDEV or something changed and now my wlan0 is gone and I can't figure out how to get it working again. I can't find a single, current, How-To on setting this up. I'm trying to use the hostap driver that's in the 2.6.x kernels (as per the note on hostap's site) Anyone? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] depclean and DuN world loop
Hi, group! emerge --depclean removes perl-core/DB_File. emerge -DuN world installs perl-core/DB_File. equery d perl-core/DB_File [ Searching for packages depending on perl-core/DB_File... ] mail-client/squirrelmail-1.4.8 virtual/perl-DB_File-1.814 Since I don't want to pollute the world file I'm looking for a solution different from emerge --noreplace perl-core/DB_File. Any advices? -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
