Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:44:19 -0800, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't hurt that the webspace is filled with people like yourself who have hands on knowledge about how to do stuff, and are willing to share it with others minus the 'tude' you see elsewhere. Now you really have insulted Alan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:29:47 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would be the most sane thing to do IMO). please do. Please please pretty please. Does

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded from the grub site. Not if you use KDE :P -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 43: Genuine

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:11:57 + (UTC), James wrote: I went from duo core AMD systems to FX-8350 with 32 gigs of ram. My bigest adversion/experience with KDE is this. The genius that runs that project, could have developed all of those wonderful ideas, but left them turned off by default.

[gentoo-user] keyword a whole overlay as ~arch [SOLVED]

2014-01-27 Thread Thanasis
on 01/27/2014 03:14 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote the following: On 01/26/2014 05:12 PM, Thanasis wrote: I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64). In order to install the mate desktop I need to install the mate overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64. Is there a way to do it easily

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub #GRUB_TERMINAL=console Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need to find out what that definition translates to. I'm searching now... Just run grob-mkconfig with and

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to keyword a whole overlay as ~arch ?

2014-01-27 Thread Thanasis
on 01/27/2014 12:38 AM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On 27/01/2014 00:12, Thanasis wrote: I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64). In order to install the mate desktop I need to install the mate overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64. Is there a way to do it easily for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a way to keyword a whole overlay as ~arch ?

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 11:45, Thanasis wrote: on 01/27/2014 12:38 AM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: On 27/01/2014 00:12, Thanasis wrote: I am following stable (ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64). In order to install the mate desktop I need to install the mate overlay and keyword all its packages as ~amd64.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has become a lot more difficult as well. No, starting with USE=-* is very

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would be the most sane thing to do IMO). ? If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Again, I think I'm just lucky. I don't think it's luck. A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day). I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been updated for a long time (say one year), is just

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would be the most sane thing to do IMO). ? If the problem is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are interested in starting from scratch or

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded from the grub site. Not if you use KDE :P I do.

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:42:54 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 I wrote: On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 20:13:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub #GRUB_TERMINAL=console Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need to find

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. Also, and much easier to read, in an HTML file downloaded from the grub

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:40:44 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub #GRUB_TERMINAL=console Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I need to find out what that definition translates

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 27 Jan 2014 18:07:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are documented in the info pages. Also, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 I wrote: On Sunday 26 Jan 2014 20:13:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: Uncomment this line in /etc/default/grub #GRUB_TERMINAL=console Thanks, but I'm using a manually written grub.cfg, so I

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/01/2014 18:19, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 27 Jan 2014 18:07:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/01/2014 18:00, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 27 Jan 2014 09:38:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:28:55 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: The variables you can set in here are

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and softlevels

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:19:53 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: Entering info:// as a URL in konqueror gives a page with all info ages on the system listed. info:/some_info_page opens that one directly That explains it then. I can't remember the last time I used Konqueror for anything.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote: If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different language using different algorithms. It's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/27/2014 10:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote: If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 27.01.2014 13:06, schrieb Helmut Jarausch: On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Again, I think I'm just lucky. I don't think it's luck. A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day). I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg Configuration Acer Aspire One

2014-01-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:16:00 +0100 Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote: Hello, i have a Acer Aspire One D255 and has trouble with the Window Settings here special in xfburn. http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2014-January/032974.html A Answer there think it's because the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote: If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different language using different

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/27/2014 11:57 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote: If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there. That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 05:26:19PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has become a lot more difficult as well. No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. It is not recommended

[gentoo-user] Python Installation broken

2014-01-27 Thread Silvio Siefke
Hello, i has make a big mistake i think. I has installed nikola with pip install but it want not work. So i downgrade to fewer version of nikola over portage. Not want work give error message from setuptools. Ok delete nikola, retext and setuptools. I run a emerge --depclean. I try equery u

Re: [gentoo-user] xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 04:52:22PM +, James wrote So, as a old fart, I got tired of KDE and never really liked gnome. I have found new life in LXDE; spartan, but learning and document how things work on gentoo, is hopefully something I have to only do once. I went all the way to ICEWM;

Re: [gentoo-user] Python Installation broken

2014-01-27 Thread Silvio Siefke
Hello, the error message was not correct copy paste. Im in crisis :) gentoomobile ~ # equery u nikola Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/equery, line 5, in module from pkg_resources import load_entry_point File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources.py, line 3011,

Re: [gentoo-user] How to convert and watch dav video file?

2014-01-27 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/2014 09:01 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Incidentally, there's nothing bad about installing that package's version. It's masked because it's in the source repo (all cvs/svn/git/etc sources are always masked so they don't get installed

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I have my lxde/openbox environment mostly setup. One thing I miss is feature rich tabbed terminal session. I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely.

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: you know - I don't give a rat's ass about 'pig' or not, because: I have enough ram. Ram is cheap. 16gb of DDR 1600 ECC costs what? 160€? Cheap. What kind of argument is this? I do not consider it cheap to spend 160 bucks only to waste

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 01:20:59 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. That's nonsense imo No, William is completely right. and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any issues. No one doubts that it is *possible* to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:35:24 +0100, hasufell wrote: But the efficiency of the algorithm, and the language, affects the speed. You can't presume it does more, therefore it takes longer if the two programs do things in very different ways. For people who are used to portage, paludis will be

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: USE=-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER} If you want to look at it that way, what I've really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults ... *including* the defaults specified in individual ebuilds. About the default flags in profiles one may

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote: If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start from scratch, when Paludis is already very mature? Is it pure politics (someone just doesn't like Ciaran)? No-one likes to admit it, but I think

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with multiple SSH sessions

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread hasufell
On 01/28/2014 02:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote: hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote: No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. That's nonsense imo No, William is completely right. and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-01-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 01:42:22AM +, Martin Vaeth wrote Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: USE=-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER} If you want to look at it that way, what I've really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults ... *including* the defaults