[gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
After a month worth of holidays, I return to my computer, sync, and type emerge -uva world. Scrolling through the several screen's worth of stuff I find a few 'redundant' packages, like Mozilla and Epiphany (I use Firefox). I use gnome, so I've always wounded up with these two packages on my system. All things considered, compiling these two is a waste of space, bandwidth, time and electricity. How do I block these two from being compiled, despite the fact that they are listed as 'dependancies' in packages I use?
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
Phill MV wrote: After a month worth of holidays, I return to my computer, sync, and type emerge -uva world. Scrolling through the several screen's worth of stuff I find a few 'redundant' packages, like Mozilla and Epiphany (I use Firefox). I use gnome, so I've always wounded up with these two packages on my system. All things considered, compiling these two is a waste of space, bandwidth, time and electricity. How do I block these two from being compiled, despite the fact that they are listed as 'dependancies' in packages I use? Instead of using Gnome, try using the gnome-light package. It comes wihtout the large dependancies that the normal gnome does, but you have to remmeber to install any extras that you might need (file-roller, games, tools etc) Tim -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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RE: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
Hi Phill, -Original Message- From: Tim Igoe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2005 09:49 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages? Phill MV wrote: After a month worth of holidays, I return to my computer, sync, and type emerge -uva world. Scrolling through the several screen's worth of stuff I find a few 'redundant' packages, like Mozilla and Epiphany (I use Firefox). I use gnome, so I've always wounded up with these two packages on my system. All things considered, compiling these two is a waste of space, bandwidth, time and electricity. How do I block these two from being compiled, despite the fact that they are listed as 'dependancies' in packages I use? Instead of using Gnome, try using the gnome-light package. It comes wihtout the large dependancies that the normal gnome does, but you have to remmeber to install any extras that you might need (file-roller, games, tools etc) Tim .. or you could try: == # mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile # echo net-www/mozilla /etc/portage/profile/package.provided == Of course the 'mkdir' part is only needed if you don't already have a /etc/portage/profile directory. Not sure if you can put package.provided directly under /etc/portage. Someone who knows better the intricacies of the latest portage versions could advise on this. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] Where does /etc/env.d/99local come from?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Where does /etc/env.d/99local come from?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Where does /etc/env.d/99local come from?
Can the list admin kick this guy off? He apparently has some sort of auto-reply on his box and this is the 5th mail like this I've got from him... one in reply to EACH message coming into the list today. W On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 05:30:23AM -0500, John wrote: This email address is being abandoned due to the sick amount of junk mail I receive. Please stop spamming it. If you are a friend and need to contact me I can be reached at: Email: firstinitiallastinitial at neochicago.com IRC: scofflaw on EFnet Thanks! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- And the button that was promised to toggle me back and forth between the displays actually does no such thing. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 4 days, 18:16 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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[gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
Hi, At the moment I'm trying to upgrade one of my old computers from SuSE to Gentoo. I have install a second SCSI-disk and installed Gentoo on this second disk using a stage-1 install. But when I try to boot my new install GRUB hangs (kernel does not uncompress) after I have selected the kernel. This is the output from grub after selecting my gentoo setup. root (hd1,2) Filesystem type is ext2fs partition type 0x83 kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1200, size=0x165a46] (and here it hangs) I have installed grub to MBR of the first SCSI-disk (sda) and I'm having my grub files on sdb3. Here's my grub.conf file: # By default, boot the first entry. default 0 # By default boot the old SuSE (until Gentoo boots OK) title SuSE kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 acpi=off splash=silent showopts initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd # For booting Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 title Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 root (hd1,2) kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off The second SCSI-disk (Gentoo) has the following partitions: /dev/sdb1 swap /dev/sdb2 / /dev/sdb3 /boot /dev/sdb4 LVM The Kernel is compiled without Module support and all necessary drivers are compiled into the kernel. Booting the old SuSE installation works without problems but Gentoo does not. Any suggestions on what could be wrong? Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** pgpb4O3N1Ux26.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
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RE: [gentoo-user] Correct CHOST setting for Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz stepping 02
Colin ... I never thanked you on this ... thanks, -- Regards, Richard --- This is definitely a case of flaky hardware or insufficient cooling. Don't bother recompiling your system, work on finding the culprit. I recommend a thorough dusting, inside and out, followed by a couple passes of memtest86. But if you do want to recompile, re-bootstrap and emerge your system first: cd /usr/portage scripts/bootstrap.sh emerge -Davenut system # no offense to any Daves, this is just easy to remember. It's your stuff plus --emptytree. emerge -Davenut world Rebuild your kernel. -- Colin -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 4/08/2005 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: RE: [gentoo-user] Correct CHOST setting for Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz stepping 02
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges
Ryan Viljoen schreef: You guys and gals are all so proud of it but want to keep it to yourselves. And what is pride, and when does one feel proud? When one has done something that is hard for oneself to accomplish, successfully. You felt proud when you first tied your own shoes, after weeks/months of trying (and failing). Your parents felt proud of you when you spoke your first understandable word, after months/years of trying (and failing). I felt proud when I got five Linux distros and two versions of Windows multibooting on the same box, because when I 'decided' that's what I needed/wanted to do, I had no idea how to do it and make it work to the specifications needed to solve the problem I perceived at the time. Now I'm proud that I have enough Linux knowledge (and patience) to compute totally without Windows (the OS; I still use several Windows programs and have no ethical issue with that, as the Windows OS and applications designed to run under that OS are separate entities, imo, and therefore separately judged), and enough Linux confidence that there is no currently-known impetus that will 'force' me to install it (though I recognize that there are still areas that I don't know enough about that could compel me to do so in an 'emergency'). I am also proud to have enough confidence in my knowledge of Gentoo to say that this is my distro, which I will stick with, and even when I break it, I can fix it (or I will reinstall it if necessary); I no longer feel that breakages are unsolveable, or that the possible necessity for a reinstall means that it's Gentoo's fault, that Gentoo is really shit, or that I'm a failure at Linux in general, or Gentoo in particular (and I should get Ubuntu or something, which btw, I really didn't like at all). You're damn right I'm proud of myself-- it's taken me some 3 years to build this confidence, and some 1.5 to build this trust in Gentoo (and myself using Gentoo). The point is: 1. Linux itself is hard (especially for migrators from Windows) 2. Gentoo is a hard version of Linux (especially for Linspire-type users). I have nothing against promoting Gentoo, per se (though I don't particularly see why it's necessary to promote anything)-- I certainly have no particular desire to keep it to myself in some 'elitist chowderhead' sense. But I have kindness in my heart, and I am not going to randomly encourage complete strangers to do something double-difficult just because I like it a lot and think they might too, any more than I would drag someone I was dating out bungee-jumping on our second date. They might like it, but most people have a lot of fears that they would need to overcome in order to do so, and I don't know them well enough to judge whether they are in a position to begin that process. Kindness in my heart, because pride is something one earns, earning takes work, and kind people don't ask others to do extra work to earn a reward that the other may not value (and without knowledge of the individual, I cannot know if the other will value the pride earned by learning Gentoo, as opposed to a Linux that doesn't require so much work to reward one in a lesser way). Anyway, that's my two Eurocents; this isn't worth actually fighting about, as if one wants to use the logos, one can, if not, one won't. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
On 05 August 2005 12:25, Dan Johansson wrote: Hi, At the moment I'm trying to upgrade one of my old computers from SuSE to Gentoo. I have install a second SCSI-disk and installed Gentoo on this second disk using a stage-1 install. But when I try to boot my new install GRUB hangs (kernel does not uncompress) after I have selected the kernel. This is the output from grub after selecting my gentoo setup. root (hd1,2) Filesystem type is ext2fs partition type 0x83 kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1200, size=0x165a46] (and here it hangs) I have installed grub to MBR of the first SCSI-disk (sda) and I'm having my grub files on sdb3. Here's my grub.conf file: # By default, boot the first entry. default 0 # By default boot the old SuSE (until Gentoo boots OK) title SuSE kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 acpi=off splash=silent showopts initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd # For booting Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 title Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 root (hd1,2) kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off The second SCSI-disk (Gentoo) has the following partitions: /dev/sdb1 swap /dev/sdb2 / /dev/sdb3 /boot /dev/sdb4 LVM The Kernel is compiled without Module support and all necessary drivers are compiled into the kernel. Add doscsi to the kenel options. Uwe -- 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software developers. - Linus Torvalds http://www.uwix.iway.na (last updated: 20.06.2004) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
Dan Johansson schreef: Hi, At the moment I'm trying to upgrade one of my old computers from SuSE to Gentoo. I have install a second SCSI-disk and installed Gentoo on this second disk using a stage-1 install. But when I try to boot my new install GRUB hangs (kernel does not uncompress) after I have selected the kernel. This is the output from grub after selecting my gentoo setup. root (hd1,2) Filesystem type is ext2fs partition type 0x83 kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1200, size=0x165a46] (and here it hangs) I have installed grub to MBR of the first SCSI-disk (sda) and I'm having my grub files on sdb3. Here's my grub.conf file: # By default, boot the first entry. default 0 # By default boot the old SuSE (until Gentoo boots OK) title SuSE kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 acpi=off splash=silent showopts initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd # For booting Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 title Gentoo 2.6.12-r6 root (hd1,2) kernel /kernel-2.6.12-r6 root=/dev/sdb2 acpi=off The second SCSI-disk (Gentoo) has the following partitions: /dev/sdb1 swap /dev/sdb2 / /dev/sdb3 /boot /dev/sdb4 LVM The Kernel is compiled without Module support and all necessary drivers are compiled into the kernel. Booting the old SuSE installation works without problems but Gentoo does not. Any suggestions on what could be wrong? Regards, Not without knowing at what point the boot fails. What is the error you're getting, and at what point after selecting the Gentoo entry? Secondly, you have only one separate boot partition? Meaning that the SuSE /boot folder is on the SuSE partition? That might be your problem-- since that would mean that you've got possibly two installs of GRUB (one in the SuSE /boot folder and one in the Gentoo /boot partition). So you've got to wonder which one is running. At least I did. I also dual-boot SuSE and Gentoo (SuSE is my fallback in case I break Gentoo so badly that I need to use something else to fix it), and what I did (since I 'really' use the Gentoo GRUB, and the Gentoo /boot partition) was to copy the SuSE kernel (and System Map, and config) to my Gentoo /boot folder. Perhaps you need to do that in reverse (copy the compiled kernel and related files to your SuSE /boot folder). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
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Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Where does /etc/env.d/99local come from?
It is indeed very annoying. PeterOn 8/5/05, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This email address is being abandoned due to the sick amount of junk mail I receive.Please stop spamming it.If you are a friend and need to contact me I can be reached at:Email: firstinitiallastinitial at neochicago.comIRC: scofflaw on EFnetThanks!--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. --- Calvin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Zac Medico wrote: You could try dispatch-conf (see manpage) or emerge conf-update. Unfortunately, etc-update has many known bugs. The problem you mentioned sounds like bug 26807. Both etc-update and dispatch-conf have good and bad points - none of them are ideal tools. For example, it would be nice if etc-update could archive config files into CVS. On the other hand, Im using vimdiff with etc-update which makes comparing config files very easy - dispatch-conf doesn't use vimdiff. Ive used both and ultimately stayed with etc-update (the colors in vimdiff make it easier to work with). -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Phill MV wrote: After a month worth of holidays, I return to my computer, sync, and type emerge -uva world. Scrolling through the several screen's worth of stuff I find a few 'redundant' packages, like Mozilla and Epiphany (I use Firefox). I use gnome, so I've always wounded up with these two packages on my system. All things considered, compiling these two is a waste of space, bandwidth, time and electricity. How do I block these two from being compiled, despite the fact that they are listed as 'dependancies' in packages I use? You could put an entry in /etc/portage/package.mask man portage for more info. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Badges
I prefer the bumper sticker myself: http://coolaj86.homedns.org:4887/gallery2/main.php/d/5203-1/jeep_bumper_stickers.jpg hehe -- 8^) Laterz- ~Alvin http://CoolAJ86.Havenite.net --- Computers are like air conditioners - They can't do their job properly if you open windows. begin:vcard fn:Alvin A ONeal Jr n:ONeal;Alvin adr;dom:;;34 Fletcher Lane;Shelburne;VT;05482 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:1.802.877.2938 tel;home:1.802.985.5277 tel;cell:1.802.578.0599 note;quoted-printable:DoB: 19860616=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://coolaj86.havenite.net version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges
On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 09:27:58AM -0500, Michael Sullivan wrote My first Linux was Red Hat 8.0. I then went to RH 9.0 and Fedora Core 1. I for one would not recommend Gentoo to a person who has never used Linux before. I certainly wouldn't have understood it. What he said. Around 1997 spam started getting really bad and my ISP offered users a spam filter. The user interface was actually a front-end to a procmail configurator. I dove in and started manually configuring procmail from the commandline. I had always been a command-line-commando in DOS, and I picked up the unix commandline reasonably quickly. In September 1999, I bought a Dell with Win98SE with 128 megs RAM and 450 mhz cpu (that's my current emergency backup machine). That left me with the old Pentium-Pro 120 mhz machine with 32 megs of RAM that originally came with Win95. My experimenting with procmail was eating into my 30 hours per month dialup account. People on the procmail mailing list mentioned that they were running procmail on linux. I picked up a remaindered copy of a Redhat linux 5.2 book with CDs (6.2 was released April 2000) and installed it on my old clunker. Initially, I used it for screwing around with procmail filters, but I also discovered linux had Netscape 4, and various email and news readers, plus primitive word processing and spreadsheets. I got another machine (433 mhz, 128 megs RAM white box) strictly for linux, and went online with Redhat 6.2 or 6.3. I slowly spent more and more time with the linux machine and less with the Windows machine, until I eventually decided to reformat the Windows machine and install Redhat linux on it as well. I played around with a few other distros, but always went back to Redhat. I did try CRUX, where I first learned make menuconfig and chrooting for install, etc. About that time, I found Mozilla 0.95 painfully slow on my old 433 and 450 mhz machines. That's when I first experimented with custom builds from tarballs. -O2 -march=i686 speeded up Mozilla. I also found out the hard way that -O3 and various extra unrolling options were not a good thing. Redhat 7.3 was probably the best end-user distro of its time. Redhat announced they were dropping support as of end of 2003. I switched to Debian in fall of 2003, where I stayed until summer of 2004. I had grown tired of Redhat's constant upgrade treadmill, so at first I loved Debian's lack thereof. However, it bit me in the late summer of 2004 when the latest Firefox and Realplayer versions refused to install, due to Debian's ancient gtk libs, or whatever. I switched back to CRUX, which was more uptodate, and also assumed -O2 -march=i686 rather than i386. Because my old Dell needed all the help it could get, I was always asking about more optimization. People suggested that if I really wanted more optimization, I should switch to Gentoo. Approx the end of 2004 I did exactly that. Even with that background, my transition to Gentoo wasn't 100% smooth. If I had tried jumping from Windows direct to Gentoo, without 4+ years of linux usage, I would've been lost. Think of it as a test of the strong: Newbies might choose Gentoo and run into all kinds of problems and ask stupid questions. Most will get frustrated and either leave Linux altogether or seek out a more user-friendly distrobution. The ones who stick around are the ones worth adding to the community. There's a concept in emergency medical battlefield treatment called triage. Divide the wounded into 3 groups... 1) Slight injuries; will recover fully even if you don't treat them. 2) Moderate injuries; can recover fully, but only if you treat them. 3) Mortally wounded; will die regardless of how much effort you put into treating them. The best use of resources is with the second group. Similarly, we might want to set up new-user list to help those people who come close to being able to get going with Gentoo on their own, but have one or two showstopper problems that are easily solvable by experienced users. Maybe even some sort of level 1 helpdesk concept. A mailing list works only if you have internet connectivity and email both functioning. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying contents /boot from /dev/hdb1 to /dev/hda2
On 7/28/05, Sean Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tar cvf - * | tar xf -C ../new/ * doesn't match hidden files, so the copy will be incomplete. Neil, Interesting. I had not thought about that. I did use the above to recreate my hard drive from one hard drive to another one. It worked well, I guess I lucked out that I did not have any hidden files in the old directory. A better option is to use . (dot) a the directory. Also adding -p to preserve permissions is essential when backing up a whole system: tar cfp - . | (cd /target/path tar xvfp -) Regards, Andreas -- And I hate redundancy, and having different functions for the same thing. - Linus Torvalds on linux-kernel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
-Original Message- From: A. Khattri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2005 14:14 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please. On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Zac Medico wrote: You could try dispatch-conf (see manpage) or emerge conf-update. Unfortunately, etc-update has many known bugs. The problem you mentioned sounds like bug 26807. Both etc-update and dispatch-conf have good and bad points - none of them are ideal tools. For example, it would be nice if etc-update could archive config files into CVS. On the other hand, Im using vimdiff with etc-update which makes comparing config files very easy - dispatch-conf doesn't use vimdiff. Ive used both and ultimately stayed with etc-update (the colors in vimdiff make it easier to work with). You can always emerge colordiff and change your etc-update.conf and/or dispatch-conf.conf to use it. Lovely colours all around. :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] eterm issue
Hi I've done something recently on my gentoo and I don't remember what but till that moment I cannot run Eterm or xterm when logged as user. When logged as root everything is working. This issue is known on the web but solutions does not satisfy me Eterm. There are messages: Can't open pseudo-tty --No such file or directory Unable to run sub-command Then Eterm window raises and there is only Hit any key to exit I checked: - /dev/pty is compiled in kernel - /dev/pty directory exists and all files within - symbolic links in /dev exists too - changed rights to all these files to rwxrwxrwx - nothing helped 2.6.12r6, 2005.0 What can I do more? Changin debugging level in Eterm gives nothing. Help! Arek -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: You can always emerge colordiff and change your etc-update.conf and/or dispatch-conf.conf to use it. Lovely colours all around. :) Ive tried it with dispatch-conf. I went back to etc-update and vimdiff (since its vi, its easy to move around and the split windows making comparing side-by-side easier than any other diff tool. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
Exactly what I wanted! Thanks.On 05/08/05, Michael Kintzios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phill, -Original Message- From: Tim Igoe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 August 2005 09:49 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages? Phill MV wrote: After a month worth of holidays, I return to my computer, sync, and type emerge -uva world. Scrolling through the several screen's worth of stuff I find a few 'redundant' packages, like Mozilla and Epiphany (I use Firefox). I use gnome, so I've always wounded up with these two packages on my system. All things considered, compiling these two is a waste of space, bandwidth, time and electricity. How do I block these two from being compiled, despite the fact that they are listed as 'dependancies' in packages I use? Instead of using Gnome, try using the gnome-light package. It comes wihtout the large dependancies that the normal gnome does, but you have to remmeber to install any extras that you might need(file-roller, games, tools etc) Tim .. or you could try:==# mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile # echo net-www/mozilla /etc/portage/profile/package.provided==Of course the 'mkdir' part is only needed if you don't already have a/etc/portage/profile directory.Not sure if you can put package.provided directly under /etc/portage.Someone who knows betterthe intricacies of the latest portage versions could advise on this.--Regards,Mick-- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
On 8/5/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: You can always emerge colordiff and change your etc-update.conf and/or dispatch-conf.conf to use it. Lovely colours all around. :) Ive tried it with dispatch-conf. I went back to etc-update and vimdiff (since its vi, its easy to move around and the split windows making comparing side-by-side easier than any other diff tool. Hi, With vimdiff how do yo make the actual changes? Can you somehow tell it to apply certain lines from file2 to file1 or do you have to copy and paste by hand? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] problem with unindent shortcut
Hello! I have problems with unindent shortcut 'CTRL+SHIFT+I', it doesn't work in kate (so in kdevelop,quanta), i tried to change it but with no result (new binding doesn't work too). Anyone have any suggestions where there may be problem? kde 3.4.1 -- Michal Kurgan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Badges
Alvin A ONeal Jr schreef: I prefer the bumper sticker myself: http://coolaj86.homedns.org:4887/gallery2/main.php/d/5203-1/jeep_bumper_stickers.jpg hehe I must say, Alvin, that image took waay too long to load for me-- thank goodness it was really worth it when it did! I didn't even know that LQ had bumper stickers. But then again, I don't have a car these days, so haven't been shopping for stickers lately. If I did, though... bumper stickers are very cool ways to express your opinions, pet loves or pet peeves without interrupting the flow or functionality of the world at large. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to block a given packages?
Phill MV schreef: You could put an entry in /etc/portage/package.mask man portage for more info. To my experience the package requiring it would simply not install. No, you're right. The solution to this specific problem (which I also have had, since I use neither Mozilla nor Evo) is to: 1) unmerge gnome. This will not unmerge any programs (GNOME will still work), but will remove the metapackage handle which has mozilla and evo as dependencies (mozilla and evo will become orphaned dependencies, as you have uninstalled the package that depends on them); 2) unmerge evo, evo dataserver (if you don't want it), epiphany (which depends on mozilla) and mozilla itself (assuming you have nothing else that depends on it; most mozilla-dependent individual programs, such as the Liferea newsreader, now have the capability to depend on firefox instead), and any other programs installed specifically by the gnome metapackage that you may not want (sound-juicer, gstreamer, totem-- if you still want totem, you can recompile it +xine so you can still get rid of gstreamer if you don't like that backend); 2a) make sure that you have no mozilla or eds USE flags enabled (afaics, eds must specifically be set as -eds in /etc/make.conf; it's apparently a new/replacement USE flag which drags in Evo Data Server and Mozilla, and it appears to be set by default as on for applications like gaim and gnome-panel, which I discovered when running yesterday's emerge -uaDtv world). If you have to change any USE flags, hold the emerge -uaDNtv world till after the next step: 3) emerge gnome-light. This will also not emerge any packages, but will un-orphan all the gnome desktop packages that are currently installed (but were orphaned by your uninstall of the gnome metapackage); 4) run emerge -uaDtNv world if you changed any USE flags in step 2a (or even if you didn't, just to be safe). This should enable you to update GNOME normally, without having to worry about evo and/or Mozilla being dragged in every time you try. Hope this helps. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wpc54g card as AP -- works?
Hi, On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:28:46 + Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean that it is unadvised to use a PCMCIA card for AP functions? I won't need a good range... something that works fine up to 8 meters (between 2 rooms) is enough. I have to check if the driver I use allows Master mode. # ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers: lsbcmnds driver present, hardware present Any idea? ndiswrapper doesn't support master mode: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#Is_master_mode_supported.3F There would have to be a native linux driver, supporting soft-AP facilities... -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
Hi, I have a question concerning sendmail: my employer requires, that all email-communication must be archived, both incomming and outgoing. Personally, I don't like this at all, but he has right to do this (at least according to our law)... Now he wants me to set this up, but frankly, I do not know how (I'm using sendmail as MTA). Could someone give me some hint? Thanks, Jarry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please unsubscribe!
Alex A. Smith MCP wrote: Ok so cause he was getting spammed its ok to spam us all? Does any one around here (Gentoo team or such) have access to remove him? I contacted Gentoo Infrastructure and he has now been unsubscribed. Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Simple HTTP servers question.
Oscar Carlsson wrote: I think lighttpd might be something like what you're looking for. It's pretty lightweight, fast enough and php/ruby/perl works with it (through fastCGI). http://www.lighttpd.net/ And of course it's in portage :) Oscar I've installed lighttpd - and while mostly impressed I'm finding problems with authentication support. I've set up two websites extranet.mydomain.com and intranet.mydomain.com - the idea being that extranet contains public information for which no password/username is required - whereas intranet requires a username and password (in future this page might be personalised.) I've read authentication.txt and I'm still baffled... Here's the relevant bits from my configuration in lighttpd.conf -- server.modules = ( mod_access, mod_auth, mod_simple_vhost,) -- ... -- auth.backend= plain auth.backend.plain.userfile = lighttpd.user auth.require = ( intranet.mydomain.com/ = ( method = digest, realm = Intranet, require = user=fred ) ) -- I placed lighttpd.user in /etc and it contains the single line fred:foo With this configuration, neither site asks for a password. If I replace intranet.mydomain.com/ with / both sites ask for a password... but neither will accept fred password foo. Then, if I change digest to plain then I don't get asked for a password for either site but get Access denied immediately. Have I discovered bugs - or is this a confiiguration problem? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] permissions problem with kino
Hi all, I am trying to use kino, but face some permission problems. modules raw1394 an dv1394 are loaded, but when I want to use kino I get the answer that: dv1394 open: Permission non accordée (not granted) giving the +r to /dev/dv1394-0 which has root as owner and group does change nothing; with /dev/raw/raw1394 group is disk; putting my user in this group does nothing better. Not many infos on this permission issue in kino's manual. Any direct info or link would be much welcome, TIA -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please unsubscribe!
Thanks Daniel Greetz Peter On 8/5/05, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex A. Smith MCP wrote: Ok so cause he was getting spammed its ok to spam us all? Does any one around here (Gentoo team or such) have access to remove him?I contacted Gentoo Infrastructure and he has now been unsubscribed. Daniel--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. --- Calvin
Re: [gentoo-user] Please unsubscribe!
This thread is being abandoned due to the sick amount of junk mail it receives. Please stop spamming it :( Friday 05 August 2005 17.18 skrev Daniel Drake: Alex A. Smith MCP wrote: Ok so cause he was getting spammed its ok to spam us all? Does any one around here (Gentoo team or such) have access to remove him? I contacted Gentoo Infrastructure and he has now been unsubscribed. Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please unsubscribe!
This thread is being abandoned due to the sick amount of junk mail it receives. Please stop spamming it :( It amazes me that these people are able to subscribe in the first place, and then I'm amazed again when they have such difficulty doing the exact same thing to unsubscribe. It's like hopping in a car and driving without knowing how to go in reverse, and then screaming for help to everyone on the road when they need to backup. --- Chris Covington IT Plus One Health Management 75 Maiden Lane Suite 801 NY, NY 10038 646-312-6269 http://www.plusoneactive.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Jarry wrote: Hi, I have a question concerning sendmail: my employer requires, that all email-communication must be archived, both incomming and outgoing. Personally, I don't like this at all, but he has right to do this (at least according to our law)... Now he wants me to set this up, but frankly, I do not know how (I'm using sendmail as MTA). Could someone give me some hint? Use MailScanner ( http://www.mailscanner.info ). It's a spam/virus filter in addition, but will also give you the functionality you are looking for. During configuration you just set the deliver actions for the various detections to deliver *and* forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Plus you can implement spam filtering and virus filtering at the same time. Christoher Fisk -- PAIN IS NOT THE CLEANSER PAIN IS NOT THE CLEANSER Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 5F10 cBlog: http://chris.uasoft.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] How to comletely remove some package?
How to comletely remove some package(i.e. no cfgpro, no !mtime)? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
Christopher Fisk wrote: Use MailScanner ( http://www.mailscanner.info ). It's a spam/virus filter in addition, but will also give you the functionality you are looking for. Is it not problem, if I use spamassassin clamav? Or do I have to switch? I would not like to mess things and have no mail delivered at all... Jarry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
On Saturday 06 August 2005 01:05, Jarry wrote: Christopher Fisk wrote: Use MailScanner ( http://www.mailscanner.info ). It's a spam/virus filter in addition, but will also give you the functionality you are looking for. Is it not problem, if I use spamassassin clamav? Or do I have to switch? I would not like to mess things and have no mail delivered at all... Easy to do with procmail if that's already installed. You can just add a rule to both forward and continue delivery to /etc/procmailrc. -- Jason Stubbs pgpLDwENXjNB0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
Jason Stubbs wrote: Easy to do with procmail if that's already installed. You can just add a rule to both forward and continue delivery to /etc/procmailrc. I thought procmail takes care only for incomming mail. Am I wrong? Because I need to archive both incomming and outgoing mails... Jarry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
On Saturday 06 August 2005 01:31, Jarry wrote: Jason Stubbs wrote: Easy to do with procmail if that's already installed. You can just add a rule to both forward and continue delivery to /etc/procmailrc. I thought procmail takes care only for incomming mail. Am I wrong? Because I need to archive both incomming and outgoing mails... No your not wrong. Ever played with sendmail rules? They're not fun. ;) There's many other possibilities before you have to go down that road, though. Try googling for archiving outgoing mail with sendmail. -- Jason Stubbs pgpoepxAyjrQK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to comletely remove some package?
Generally speaking, something like: 1) emerge -Cp package 2) emerge -pv --deep --update --newuse world 3) emerge -pv --depclean 4) revdep-rebuild -p This should get rid of a package and any dependencies that are no longer needed. NOTE: There have been some discussions about needing to do one or more of these steps multiple times. Hopefully my answer will spur someone with knowledge of that to point out if and when that is required. Cheers, Mark On 8/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to comletely remove some package(i.e. no cfgpro, no !mtime)? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17
I have changed the mouse input (from PS2 to USB) and solved that weird mouse behaviour. The touchpad also works well. Strange that by PS2 gets so crazy. Well, since things become more stable (at least until now), I been learning how to work with e17. However, there's a small problem. When I try to edit the URL of the weather module, I get this error: xterm: Can't execvp vi: No such file or directory which I understand because it is trying to use *vi* and I don't have it. If I'm not wrong, vi is not even in portage. So, is there a way to work around this, maybe using another editor to edit it? It would be nice to know the weather from here I am and not from Taunton.. :) Cheers, Fernando On 8/4/05, Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes... that would maybe be good idea. I'm using now the touchpad instead of the mouse and, until now, no weird behaviours! Thanks. FernandoOn 8/4/05, Luke Albers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should subscribe to the enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailing list and post this same message there.It probably hassomething to do with the WM rather than your X config if it worked justfine with another window manager-- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to comletely remove some package?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to comletely remove some package(i.e. no cfgpro, no !mtime)? I believe that you can specify an empty CONFIG_PROTECT on the command line in order to disable it: CONFIG_PROTECT= emerge --unmerge foo The mtime check currently cannot be overrided without hacking portage.py. if (pkgfiles[obj][0] not in (dir,fif,dev,sym)) and (lmtime != pkgfiles[obj][1]): print --- !mtime, pkgfiles[obj][0], obj continue Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 17:42 +, Fernando Meira wrote: which I understand because it is trying to use *vi* and I don't have it. If I'm not wrong, vi is not even in portage. So, is there a way to work around this, maybe using another editor to edit it? emerge vim and it should make vi link to vim -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Jarry wrote: Christopher Fisk wrote: Use MailScanner ( http://www.mailscanner.info ). It's a spam/virus filter in addition, but will also give you the functionality you are looking for. Is it not problem, if I use spamassassin clamav? Or do I have to switch? I would not like to mess things and have no mail delivered at all... MailScanner actually will call clamav and spamassassin. So it'll be a configuration migration =) Probably worth looking at at least, and I know it'll do the archival. Christopher Fisk -- Fry: I'm not prejudiced. Bender: Ah, save it for the cross-burning, Adolf. cBlog: http://chris.uasoft.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to archive all mail?
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Jason Stubbs wrote: No your not wrong. Ever played with sendmail rules? They're not fun. ;) There's many other possibilities before you have to go down that road, though. Try googling for archiving outgoing mail with sendmail. Heh, good luck with that, I was lucky in that I was using MailScanner for spam/virus filtering before I was asked to implement this, so the implementation was easy. MailScanner has the added advantage that you can tell it only to archive messages not marked as spam, so you don't have to weed through that junk as well if you don't need to. It's a good solution for this problem. Try it. Christopher Fisk -- Loosely confederate colors of Benetton cBlog: http://chris.uasoft.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wpc54g card as AP -- works?
hmm... not nice... There's no other way to work with my card unless with ndiswrapper... at least from what I read. What about Ad-Hoc? Would it be possible to provide internet access to other pcs? FernandoOn 8/5/05, Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:28:46 +Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean that it is unadvised to use a PCMCIA card for AP functions? I won't need a good range... something that works fine up to 8 meters (between 2 rooms) is enough. I have to check if the driver I use allows Master mode. # ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers: lsbcmnds driver present, hardware present Any idea?ndiswrapper doesn't support master mode: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#Is_master_mode_supported.3FThere would have to be a native linux driver, supporting soft-APfacilities...-hwh-- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to comletely remove some package?
Mark Knecht wrote: Generally speaking, something like: 1) emerge -Cp package 2) emerge -pv --deep --update --newuse world 3) emerge -pv --depclean 4) revdep-rebuild -p This should get rid of a package and any dependencies that are no longer needed. NOTE: There have been some discussions about needing to do one or more of these steps multiple times. Hopefully my answer will spur someone with knowledge of that to point out if and when that is required. Cheers, Mark At build time, some packages will link against unwanted libraries. Even though the unwanted library may not be strictly required, the ebuild may not support a way to disable it with use flags. For this reason, it's a good idea to add another step to your sequence: 1.5) emerge -av depclean Some libraries that seem to actually link against the installed version at build time. This results in broken dynamic links when the installed version is replaced with the freshly built one. In these situations, a simple workaround is to unmerge the installed version before rebuilding it. Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems installing
Zac Medico wrote: Hi Zac Thanks for the help this fixed it. It's now up and running. With recent versions of genkernel you should do ls /boot/kernel* /boot/initramfs* instead. Note that the initramfs or initrd is not required if your kernel has sufficient drivers built in. Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Problems installing
Hi Nothing I guess but as this is my first fling with Gentoo , the first time I've used this method to install a distro and it's a trial on my second system I thought it was better to follow the instructions. If I stick with Gentoo, when put it on my main system I'll look at all the options available. Stewart Chris Cox wrote: Whats wrong with compiling a kernel the normal way ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to comletely remove some package?
On 8/5/05, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: Generally speaking, something like: 1) emerge -Cp package 2) emerge -pv --deep --update --newuse world 3) emerge -pv --depclean 4) revdep-rebuild -p This should get rid of a package and any dependencies that are no longer needed. NOTE: There have been some discussions about needing to do one or more of these steps multiple times. Hopefully my answer will spur someone with knowledge of that to point out if and when that is required. Cheers, Mark At build time, some packages will link against unwanted libraries. Even though the unwanted library may not be strictly required, the ebuild may not support a way to disable it with use flags. For this reason, it's a good idea to add another step to your sequence: 1.5) emerge -av depclean Some libraries that seem to actually link against the installed version at build time. This results in broken dynamic links when the installed version is replaced with the freshly built one. In these situations, a simple workaround is to unmerge the installed version before rebuilding it. Zac Ah, thanks. so the idea is: 1) emerge -Cp package 1.5) emerge -av depclean 2) emerge -av --deep --update --newuse world 3) emerge -pv --depclean 4) revdep-rebuild -p With step 1.5 to remove these old libraries? Seems to me that doing this sort of depends on having done the whole process sometime before cleanly through step 4. Fine with me though. Thanks for the explanation. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges
Does Alice really consitute a girlfriend? ;^p -Original Message- From: Paul Kain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:20 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges no gui, all command line, hardc0re girlfriend... not really but damn I wish... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
I'll put in a plug for meld if you're like me and non-masochistic. It's an X-windows application and is as simple as point click. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
My boss wants me to create a bunch of mail relays to capture and relay mail sent to us and discard spam etc, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd like to use exim unless you all have a better idea. To be honest, at the moment, I'm not sure where to start. Here's a simple diagram that might help you understand what it is we want to do (fixed width font will help): [SMTP] [SMTP][SMTP] [SMTP] | || | +-++---+-+ | [SMTP+POP3] Each of the SMTP servers have different routeable IPs and are linked together via a RoundRobin DNS. Their sole purpose would be to check mail being sent to them against a list of known users @ourdomain.com and possibly filter spam as well. Messages that satisfy the filter would then be forwarded to the main mail server where we would all pick up our mail with our various email clients. So at the moment, my main issues are: - How do I replicate the user list from the master to the satellites? - What MTA should I use on the satellites and how would I configure it? I don't even know if cluster is the right word since whenever I google for it, i run into references to LVS and Beowulf clustering which is not what I need. Any help and/or opinions/suggestions would be greatly apprecated. -- you're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. wrong is wrong, no matter who says it. - malcolm x -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] asterisk_nice -5
Can any body give am a helping hand how to modify asterisk startup
script to start it with let say nice -5
I think I'll need to modify something in the beginning in this section,
but I don't exactly know how.
depend() {
need net
use zaptel
}
start() {
local OPTS USER GROUP
if [[ -n ${ASTERISK_NICE} ]]; then
if [[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -ge -20 ]] \
[[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -le 19 ]]; then
OPTS=--nicelevel ${ASTERISK_NICE}
else
eerror Nice value must be between -20 and 19
fi
Asterisk run at the same nice level 0 as apache and when the fax comes
in sometimes I get a lot of bad lines.
So, adjusting nice level to -5 for asterisk might help.
Asterisk intercept faxes and forwards it to a fax extension.
--
#Joseph
--
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
daniel wrote: My boss wants me to create a bunch of mail relays to capture and relay mail sent to us and discard spam etc, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd like to use exim unless you all have a better idea. To be honest, at the moment, I'm not sure where to start. Here's a simple diagram that might help you understand what it is we want to do (fixed width font will help): [SMTP] [SMTP][SMTP] [SMTP] | || | +-++---+-+ | [SMTP+POP3] Each of the SMTP servers have different routeable IPs and are linked together via a RoundRobin DNS. Their sole purpose would be to check mail being sent to them against a list of known users @ourdomain.com and possibly filter spam as well. Messages that satisfy the filter would then be forwarded to the main mail server where we would all pick up our mail with our various email clients. So at the moment, my main issues are: - How do I replicate the user list from the master to the satellites? - What MTA should I use on the satellites and how would I configure it? I am assuming (from the 4 smtp servers) that you have at least several hundred users, who receive lots of email. That being said, surely you must be using LDAP. As to the MTA, well pick your poison. I'm a Sendmail guy, but that's just me. My first thought is that your first line of defense should be a bank of smtp servers that know nothing of your internal users. The first line of defense should be focused on virus detection, adherence to SMTP protocols and RFCs, greet-pause, listing (black, white and grey) and my personal favorite, the tar-pit. Only mail that gets past the first line of defense gets to a SMTP server that knows or cares about user account names. And another thing, if your company is as large as it should be to justify 4 outside STMP servers, why would you be using pop? Use IMAP (and probably Maildirs) so mail can be backed up to tape and not scattered across hundreds of workstations. Just my first thoughts, based on no actual knowledge of your environment. Best, Ray -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
daniel wrote: My boss wants me to create a bunch of mail relays to capture and relay mail sent to us and discard spam etc, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd like to use exim unless you all have a better idea. To be honest, at the moment, I'm not sure where to start. Here's a simple diagram that might help you understand what it is we want to do (fixed width font will help): [SMTP] [SMTP][SMTP] [SMTP] | || | +-++---+-+ | [SMTP+POP3] Each of the SMTP servers have different routeable IPs and are linked together via a RoundRobin DNS. Their sole purpose would be to check mail being sent to them against a list of known users @ourdomain.com and possibly filter spam as well. Messages that satisfy the filter would then be forwarded to the main mail server where we would all pick up our mail with our various email clients. So at the moment, my main issues are: - How do I replicate the user list from the master to the satellites? - What MTA should I use on the satellites and how would I configure it? I don't even know if cluster is the right word since whenever I google for it, i run into references to LVS and Beowulf clustering which is not what I need. Any help and/or opinions/suggestions would be greatly apprecated. I'm a Postfix guy, so these are Postfix How-tos. I'd imagine you can probably do the same in Exim or any other MTA with a bit of googling now that you've seen the concept. Creating a recipent table on the front end servers http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/postfix-exchange-users.html This how-to assume you have a Postfix server that relays to an internal Exchange server. Their method isn't super fancy, but does work. You may want to look into the LDAP stuff or using a DB query if you store your users in one. http://sqlgrey.bouton.name/ Greylisting for Postfix. I personally use Postgrey (which is in Portage), but will probably switch to sqlgrey at some point in the future. Greylisting kills a very large amount of spam before it makes into your queues or gets processes by CPU intensive content filters. However you MUST have a central greylist backend if you have multiple front ends or you'll bouncing mail or have very long delivery times. Made that mistake myself. http://www.postfix.org/docs.html Lots of good how-tos here. http://high5.net/postfixadmin/ Virtual mail system around Postfix/Mysql/Courier. Includes a very nice front end for managing domains, aliases, users, etc. I recently moved my old virtual system over to this. I'm guessing you already have a smtp/pop3 system and are just looking to front end it with some other servers, but thought I'd throw this out there anyway. I'm curious about how large of system you're planning to have. You may want to consider using shared storage with 3-4 servers that all do smtp/smtp-relay/pop3/spam filtering/etc. That way you have better overall availibility though again that depends on what sort of backend you have or are planning to build. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] asterisk_nice -5
Hi.
There is a configuration file for this script in /etc/conf.d/ ?
Maybe in this file there is a vrarible that specify the value of ASTERISK_NICEOn 8/5/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:Can any body give am a helping hand how to modify asterisk startup
script to start it with let say nice -5I think I'll need to modify something in the beginning in this section,but I don't exactly know how.depend() {need netuse zaptel}start() {
local OPTS USER GROUPif [[ -n ${ASTERISK_NICE} ]]; thenif
[[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -ge -20 ]] \
[[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -le19 ]]; thenOPTS=--nicelevel
${ASTERISK_NICE}elseeerror
Nice value must be between -20 and 19fiAsterisk run at the same nice level 0 as apache and when the fax comesin sometimes I get a lot of bad lines.So, adjusting nice level to -5 for asterisk might help.
Asterisk intercept faxes and forwards it to a fax extension.--#Joseph--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
-- Nicolas
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
On August 5, 2005 06:03 pm, Raymond Lillard wrote: daniel wrote: [SMTP] [SMTP][SMTP] [SMTP] | || | +-++---+-+ | [SMTP+POP3] I am assuming (from the 4 smtp servers) that you have at least several hundred users, who receive lots of email. That being said, surely you must be using LDAP. As to the MTA, well pick your poison. I'm a Sendmail guy, but that's just me. My first thought is that your first line of defense should be a bank of smtp servers that know nothing of your internal users. The first line of defense should be focused on virus detection, adherence to SMTP protocols and RFCs, greet-pause, listing (black, white and grey) and my personal favorite, the tar-pit. Only mail that gets past the first line of defense gets to a SMTP server that knows or cares about user account names. And another thing, if your company is as large as it should be to justify 4 outside STMP servers, why would you be using pop? Use IMAP (and probably Maildirs) so mail can be backed up to tape and not scattered across hundreds of workstations. Just my first thoughts, based on no actual knowledge of your environment. Thanks for all of your suggestions, LDAP has been recommended to already, though it came with the warning it's an ugly beast so I'm not really thrilled with the idea of adopting it. Actually, our company is rather small (40 people). I've been asked to learn how to do this to replicate a setup that's already been done but we're trying to replace. Initially though, the 4 server setup is meant just to block spam and I was told that the numbers of email spam are so crazy that we needed this setup. Am I right in assuming that from your comments that you don't feel this should be the case for a company of this size? -- adversity introduces a man to himself. - alonzo mourning -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
Raymond Lillard wrote: My first thought is that your first line of defense should be a bank of smtp servers that know nothing of your internal users. The first line of defense should be focused on virus detection, adherence to SMTP protocols and RFCs, greet-pause, listing (black, white and grey) and my personal favorite, the tar-pit. The problem is that some of the mail you pass to the internal server will bounce. The majority of the bounces are spam or other nonsense that has managed to make it past your filters somehow. These bounces tend to sit on the smtp servers taking up space in the queue till they expire. I find it more efficient to bounce the emails up front rather than have them travel through the system twice. YMMV. I'd recommend against any sort of blacklisting. This hits it spot on. http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/shame_frameset.html kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
daniel wrote: Thanks for all of your suggestions, LDAP has been recommended to already, though it came with the warning it's an ugly beast so I'm not really thrilled with the idea of adopting it. Actually, our company is rather small (40 people). I've been asked to learn how to do this to replicate a setup that's already been done but we're trying to replace. Initially though, the 4 server setup is meant just to block spam and I was told that the numbers of email spam are so crazy that we needed this setup. Am I right in assuming that from your comments that you don't feel this should be the case for a company of this size? Heh, a Celeron desktop would be more than enough. :) Well maybe something just a bit faster. I'd recommend reading the following link. It details a number of easy spam filtering techniques. It's Sendmail based, but again just about any of it can done on any other MTA once you know the concept. The author is also using very conservative hardware specs so you get an idea of exactly what sort of resources it might use on your system. http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/introduction_frameset.html kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, daniel wrote: So at the moment, my main issues are: - How do I replicate the user list from the master to the satellites? - What MTA should I use on the satellites and how would I configure it? I don't even know if cluster is the right word since whenever I google for it, i run into references to LVS and Beowulf clustering which is not what I need. Im sure you'll get answers for all the MTA's so maybe the best thing is just to describe what we do. I work for an ISP, and we have mail servers supporting several thousand users. For this setup we are using qmail + vpopmail + MySQL. We looked at LDAP too and concluded it was an ugly beast ;-) Our vpopmail account details all live in MySQL - separate read and write database servers help spread the load (we replicate between servers). vpopmail uses maildirs by default - this means we can NFS mount delivery folders across machines without worrying about file-locking, etc. This also means you can spread POP3/IMAP traffic across several machines if you want. We also have three servers dedicated to spam and virus filtering - those run daemonized spamd and clamav (we are using a local DNS zone to round-robin spamd connections so the load is again spread across all three filtering servers). We are also using squirrelmail and qmailadmin to provide a web mail interface and a web postmaster interface for domain accounts. Questions? -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Badges
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Holly Bostick wrote: Alvin A ONeal Jr schreef: I prefer the bumper sticker myself: http://coolaj86.homedns.org:4887/gallery2/main.php/d/5203-1/jeep_bumper_stickers.jpg hehe I must say, Alvin, that image took waay too long to load for me That's what happens when you post a link to a mailing list and then host it on your home DNS line - good job he didn't post to Slashdot ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] asterisk_nice -5
Here is how to script ends and asterisk is started from this command:
fi
start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/asterisk \
${OPTS} -- ${ASTERISK_OPTS}
I've change it to:
fi
start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/bin/nice -n
-15 /usr/sbin/asterisk \
${OPTS} -- ${ASTERISK_OPTS}
Doesn't matter what value I use it -n -5 or -n -15 asterisk runs at
nice value 10 instead of -5 or -15.
--
#Joseph
On Sat, 2005-08-06 at 00:14 +0200, martin nicolas wrote:
Hi.
There is a configuration file for this script in /etc/conf.d/ ?
Maybe in this file there is a vrarible that specify the value of
ASTERISK_NICE
On 8/5/05, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can any body give am a helping hand how to modify asterisk
startup
script to start it with let say nice -5
I think I'll need to modify something in the beginning in this
section,
but I don't exactly know how.
depend() {
need net
use zaptel
}
start() {
local OPTS USER GROUP
if [[ -n ${ASTERISK_NICE} ]]; then
if [[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -ge -20 ]] \
[[ ${ASTERISK_NICE} -le 19 ]]; then
OPTS=--nicelevel ${ASTERISK_NICE}
else
eerror Nice value must be between -20
and 19
fi
Asterisk run at the same nice level 0 as apache and when the
fax comes
in sometimes I get a lot of bad lines.
So, adjusting nice level to -5 for asterisk might help.
Asterisk intercept faxes and forwards it to a fax extension.
--
#Joseph
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
--
Nicolas
--
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] opinions know-how requested: how to create a mail cluster
On August 5, 2005 06:31 pm, A. Khattri wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, daniel wrote: So at the moment, my main issues are: - How do I replicate the user list from the master to the satellites? - What MTA should I use on the satellites and how would I configure it? I don't even know if cluster is the right word since whenever I google for it, i run into references to LVS and Beowulf clustering which is not what I need. Im sure you'll get answers for all the MTA's so maybe the best thing is just to describe what we do. I work for an ISP, and we have mail servers supporting several thousand users. For this setup we are using qmail + vpopmail + MySQL. We looked at LDAP too and concluded it was an ugly beast ;-) Our vpopmail account details all live in MySQL - separate read and write database servers help spread the load (we replicate between servers). vpopmail uses maildirs by default - this means we can NFS mount delivery folders across machines without worrying about file-locking, etc. This also means you can spread POP3/IMAP traffic across several machines if you want. We also have three servers dedicated to spam and virus filtering - those run daemonized spamd and clamav (we are using a local DNS zone to round-robin spamd connections so the load is again spread across all three filtering servers). We are also using squirrelmail and qmailadmin to provide a web mail interface and a web postmaster interface for domain accounts. very cool. how many servers are you using for this? do you have a rough ratio for users:servers? -- every day you sit behind your desk and you learn a little more how to accept the world the way it is. well, here's the rub... heroes don't do that. heroes don't accept the world the way it is. they fight it. - lindsay, angel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Toshiba Satellite A70 Question
Hi there, I know there is a few of you with a Toshiba A70, and I was wondering if you have gotten yours to reboot properly? I have discovered that if you enable legacy USB support in the BIOS, the touchpad will not work, but a reboot no longer hangs your system when it would display the BIOS info. (pic). If anyone has figured out a way around this, please let me know. Ian PS If you do have this notebook, I also ask if you have gotten the side media buttons to function, or if you have gotten the suspend to RAM working. Please let me know even if you haven't so I know someone has read this. :) begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 10:03:06AM -0400, A. Khattri wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, John wrote: This email address is being abandoned due to the sick amount of junk mail I receive. Please stop spamming it. If you are a friend and need to contact me I can be reached at: Email: firstinitiallastinitial at neochicago.com And the last name and initial is??? Someone please unsubscribe this person from ths list! Actually, I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so far it hasn't bounced. So either his server doesn't return unknown recipient, or the email address is actually that long string. =) W -- So we just have to integrate around the ring to get the gravitational force? Yeah. But that doesn't sound fun. ~DeathMech, Some Student. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 5 days, 7:49 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Safe Cflags for Celeron M340 on a FSC Amilo Pro V2010?
Alexander Skwar wrote: In the coming days, I'll get a Fujitsu Siemens FSC Amilo Pro v2010 notebook in which a Intel Celeron M340 1,5 GHz, 400FSB CPU is built into. For this system, I'd like to setup a build host following the http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_A_Build_Host. Quite obviously, it would be good to know the exact CPU type, so that I can choose the correct CFLAGS settings. For this, I'd like to be on the safe side and follow the instructions at http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags. But I'm not sure, which CPU the machine hosts. Maybe someone from here could post the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 9 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz stepping: 5 cpu MHz : 1500.624 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe bogomips: 2973.69 or tell me, if the CPU is one of: - Celeron (Mendocino), aka Celeron1 (Intel) - Celeron (Coppermine) aka Celeron2 (Intel) - Celeron (Willamette) (Intel) It's none of these, it's a 130 nm Pentium M (Banias) with less cache and without cpufreq scaling (SpeedStep), only throttling. http://www.intel.com/products/processor/celeron_m/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Banias-512 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#C-Banias Regards... Michael -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] permissions problem with kino
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:29:05 +0200 Jean Magnan de Bornier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am trying to use kino, but face some permission problems. modules raw1394 an dv1394 are loaded, but when I want to use kino I get the answer that: dv1394 open: Permission non accordée (not granted) giving the +r to /dev/dv1394-0 which has root as owner and group does change nothing; with /dev/raw/raw1394 group is disk; putting my user in this group does nothing better. Not many infos on this permission issue in kino's manual. Have you added your username to /etc/group, disk? Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] console + su + utf8
Hello list, I have just finished building everything for unicode support, looks like most of the stuff is working, but there are some issues: 1) In the console, I can type 'ñ' but I can't type 'áéíóú', that is, accents. In my X11 terminal I can tho, I know they're different, I'm jsut making the point. 2) When I type 'su' it segfaults, but if I type 'su -' it just scales to root without problems. Btw, I followed the gento-wiki guide to utf8 and the gentoo.org documents for Utf8 as well. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance -- Marco Antonio Manzo Bañuelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unixmonkeys.com/amnesiac/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
AJ Spagnoletti wrote: I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. Are you now sending from a different email address than you subscribed with? It's a common problem. Ray -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
the address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] W On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:50:39PM -0500, AJ Spagnoletti wrote: I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- I'm not going to get this right, but let's pretend it goes like this. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 5 days, 8:29 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
i would check the email adress you recieving gentoo-user to with that you trying to unsubscribe martins On Saturday 06 August 2005 03:50, AJ Spagnoletti wrote: I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] GRUB won't boot my new Gentoo install
Booting the old SuSE installation works without problems but Gentoo does not. Any suggestions on what could be wrong? Have you tried grub's map command? $info grub has detailed instructions. Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
Willie Wong wrote: the address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] W On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:50:39PM -0500, AJ Spagnoletti wrote: I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml lists it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hence the confusion. -- Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate - W. of O. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Please confirm my understanding
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, First, I'm going to comment on some of the things that have been discussed in the Gentoo Badges thread. My opinion - Linux is not rocket science, there's just a bit of a learning curve to it. I know what I'm talking about because my computer background before starting to learn Linux was a few courses in Windows applications. I did take a DOS course in the early '90's and I guess that's where I learned to love the command line and that's one of the things I love about Linux. Linux sometimes frustrated me royally when I did my first install of Redhat back in the days of 6.0. However, I didn't start using Linux seriously until Redhat 9. Even then, dependencies were an effort. But I wanted to learn and luckily, I had a friend who was very patient at helping me over my initial hurdles (can't go to him for help with Gentoo though - he hasn't seen the light! :-) ) Having said that, if I didn't have a few years of Linux under my belt and also a basic Unix course, Gentoo would probably be too much for me. However, from where I sit now, I'm determined to learn Gentoo and am finding that I have learned a few things already. And I think a key is how much you want to learn something. So, now to the main point of this. After my 2nd Gentoo install, which progressed farther than the first because I corrected something I missed, I couldn't startx because my video card didn't seem to be recognized. I'm not sure that I undertstand why because I watched very closely when booting the Gentoo Live CD and it gave me the exact name of my video card. Anyway, a few people on this list suggested that I recompile the kernel. The only time I have every compiled a kernel is when I did it on installing Gentoo and by following the Handbook. Ergo, I wasn't sure exactly what I needed to do when recompiling it sort of midstream. Hence, I decided to go back to square on and follow the installation steps from the beginning and see if I could correct what was wrong. You're probably thinking that I'm nuts, but this is a learning experience for me and besides I think it's fun. Now for the question. I need confirmation of my understanding. In the make.conf file when setting up the USE flags, I include anything that I want to have compiled into the programs that I install, correct? If I don't want an option to be compiled in all programs, I prefix that with a - sign. If I want an option for a specific package, I use the package.use file. So, if I don't want to compile gnome, then I use -gnome as one of the keywords. I don't use gnome, never have, never will, but there are gnome applications that I like - gnumeric to name one, plus there are a few gnome games. So, is it my best bet to include -gnome as a keyword in my make.conf USE statement and the add it in the package.use file for those applications that need it? I'm using gnome here as an example, but if my understanding is correct, I assume this would apply to anything. And yes, I know that you can declare temporary use flags when compiling a package. Regards, Colleen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC9BU7BEKKz3fpe6IRAr1XAJ4qGnidUghGRJJ4rFnlNkk7oplWWwCgklM8 2F8vk1VeKKxL+cRpW1VoFAU= =hCzP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
On 8/5/05, Matt Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie Wong wrote: the address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok so I have the address wrong... thanks for the help on that, and just as a note I was sending from the correct address. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Am I dumb?
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 09:31:34PM -0400, Matt Randolph wrote: Willie Wong wrote: the address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] W On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:50:39PM -0500, AJ Spagnoletti wrote: I have recently become busy with a couple of things and dont have time to sift through all the emails from the mailing list so I decided that i want to unsubscribe... On Aug 2nd I sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 days later I was still recieving emails. I tried to send another email on Aug 4th but for some reason Im still on the list recieving emails. Any ideas on why I havent been unsubscribed from the list? Its not a big deal Im just curious if im doing something wrong. I checked the website on what to do to unsubscribe. A.J. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml lists it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hence the confusion. That could be a problem if the website lists it differently from the mail header. Perhaps we should file a bug? W -- 10 pico farad is nature's size for a capacitor. If everthing else is one, then the capacitance is about 10pf. ~Prof. Kirk T. McDonald, DeathEM, P-town PHY 304 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 5 days, 9:18 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please confirm my understanding
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 09:41:15PM -0400, C.Beamer wrote: Now for the question. I need confirmation of my understanding. In the make.conf file when setting up the USE flags, I include anything that I want to have compiled into the programs that I install, correct? If I don't want an option to be compiled in all programs, I prefix that with a - sign. If I want an option for a specific package, I use the package.use file. So, if I don't want to compile gnome, then I use -gnome as one of the keywords. I don't use gnome, never have, never will, but there are gnome applications that I like - gnumeric to name one, plus there are a few gnome games. So, is it my best bet to include -gnome as a keyword in my make.conf USE statement and the add it in the package.use file for those applications that need it? I'm using gnome here as an example, but if my understanding is correct, I assume this would apply to anything. And yes, I know that you can declare temporary use flags when compiling a package. Regards, Colleen My understanding is that there are two types of dependencies: required and optional. For example, gnumeric will necessarily depend on gnome, whether you like it or not. So even with the -gnome flag set if will bring in the necessary libraries for it to function. On my system, I run into a similar thing with Rosegarden. It uses kdelibs and qt. So even when I specified -kde in make.conf, when I installed Rosegarden, kdelibs gets installed too. I think that if you don't, in general, need gnome functionality, than -gnome should be fine in a global sense. Even if you don't explicitly put it in package.use the package that necessarily depend on gnome will install it as a dependency anyway. HTH W -- Calvin: Can you make a living playing silly games? His Dad: Actually, you can be among the most overpaid people on the planet. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 5 days, 9:21 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] console + su + utf8
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 20:02 -0500, Marco Antonio Manzo wrote: Hello list, I have just finished building everything for unicode support, looks like most of the stuff is working, but there are some issues: 1) In the console, I can type 'ñ' but I can't type 'áéíóú', that is, accents. In my X11 terminal I can tho, I know they're different, I'm jsut making the point. 2) When I type 'su' it segfaults, but if I type 'su -' it just scales to root without problems. Well I think I found the answer to this one, it's not caused by the change to unicode, it's caused by sys-apps/shadow-4.0.11.1-r1 accordly to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101282 I hope someone has the answer for the first issue tho. Btw, I followed the gento-wiki guide to utf8 and the gentoo.org documents for Utf8 as well. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance Regards, -- Marco Antonio Manzo Bañuelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unixmonkeys.com/amnesiac/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please confirm my understanding
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 09:41:15PM -0400, C.Beamer wrote: Now for the question. I need confirmation of my understanding. In the make.conf file when setting up the USE flags, I include anything that I want to have compiled into the programs that I install, correct? If I don't want an option to be compiled in all programs, I prefix that with a - sign. If I want an option for a specific package, I use the package.use file. So, if I don't want to compile gnome, then I use -gnome as one of the keywords. I don't use gnome, never have, never will, but there are gnome applications that I like - gnumeric to name one, plus there are a few gnome games. So, is it my best bet to include -gnome as a keyword in my make.conf USE statement and the add it in the package.use file for those applications that need it? I'm using gnome here as an example, but if my understanding is correct, I assume this would apply to anything. And yes, I know that you can declare temporary use flags when compiling a package. My understanding is slightly different. 1) If you don't want Gnome, then never emerge gnome. 2) If a specific program has required gnome dependencies, and if you want that program on your machine, then emerge package will build the required gnome dependencies. No way around that. 3) If the program has *optional* gnome features, and if there is a flag in the ebuild to not use those optional gnome features then -gnome tells the system to leave the gnome stuff out. Hope this helps. cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Cant track down problem / xorg related
Hi, this will be long one Something about two weeks I cant solve problem of slow starting X11 (now I have kde, gnome and xfce4) and apps start with long delays, CPU load between 80-100%, except for xmms, fglrx apps (gears, control). If look at clock column bellow, it shows 9 minutes to load KDE USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.0 0.1 2552 532 ?S05:33 0:00 init [3] root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?SN 05:33 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [events/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [khelper] root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [kthread] root18 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [kacpid] root 128 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [kblockd/0] root 141 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [khubd] root 228 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [pdflush] root 229 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [pdflush] root 231 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [aio/0] root 230 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [kswapd0] root 232 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [jfsIO] root 233 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [jfsCommit] root 234 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [jfsSync] root 235 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [xfslogd/0] root 236 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [xfsdatad/0] root 237 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [xfsbufd] root 828 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [kseriod] root 982 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [exec-osm/0] root 986 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [kcryptd/0] root 987 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [kmirrord/0] root 1787 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [khpsbpkt] root 2009 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S 05:33 0:00 [ata/0] root 2972 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [kjournald] root 7335 0.0 0.1 2552 508 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 udevd root 7363 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S05:33 0:00 [kjournald] root 9951 0.0 0.1 5012 800 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslog-ng root 10313 0.0 0.1 4188 552 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/input/mice -t ps2 -l a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/ 101 11511 0.0 0.3 15204 1724 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon-1 --system root 12154 0.0 0.5 14964 2860 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald root 13007 0.0 0.1 8948 776 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron root 13067 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?Ss 05:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/spamd -d -r /var/run/spamd.pid -m 5 -c -H martins 13075 0.0 0.3 9032 1568 tty1 Ss 05:33 0:00 -bash martins 13076 0.0 0.3 9032 1568 tty2 Ss 05:33 0:00 -bash root 13077 0.0 0.1 3612 644 tty3 Ss+ 05:33 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux root 13078 0.0 0.1 3612 644 tty4 Ss+ 05:33 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux root 13079 0.0 0.1 3612 644 tty5 Ss+ 05:33 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux root 13080 0.0 0.1 3612 644 tty6 Ss+ 05:33 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux root 13144 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?S05:33 0:00 spamd child root 13145 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?S05:33 0:00 spamd child root 13146 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?S05:33 0:00 spamd child root 13147 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?S05:33 0:00 spamd child root 13148 0.0 5.9 59944 30272 ?S05:33 0:00 spamd child root 13238 0.0 0.2 20688 1064 tty1 S05:34 0:00 su root 13239 0.0 0.3 8772 1552 tty1 S05:34 0:00 bash root 13243 0.0 0.5 45880 2748 ?Ss 05:34 0:00 gdm root 13244 0.0 0.6 54496 3164 ?S05:34 0:00 gdm root 13289 0.0 0.4 18744 2228 tty1 S+ 05:35 0:00 mc root 13291 0.0 0.3 8776 1560 pts/0Ss+ 05:35 0:00 bash -rcfile .bashrc root 13360 0.5 3.9 32244 20288 ?SL 05:39 0:02 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -noli martins 13412 0.0 0.2 5264 1268 ?Ss 05:40 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/kde/3.4/bin/startkde martins 13433 0.0 0.1 8808 828 ?S05:40 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session martins 13434 0.0 0.2 12016 1372 ?Ss 05:40 0:00 dbus-daemon-1 --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --ses martins 13437 0.0 0.2 11512 1184 ?Ss 05:40 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- /usr/kde/3.4/bin/startkde martins 13466 2.7 8.5 98984 43512 ?Ss 05:40 0:12 kdeinit Running...
[gentoo-user] Problem while doing `emerge --emptytree system'
Hi listers. I'm in the process of installing gentoo for the first time and am now in the process of going from stage 2 to stage 3. I am trying to do emerge --emptytree system It seems to be fine until it gets to installing openssl (14 of 186) apps to be installed. The process stops and says that perl 5 is required. This is understandable, but I thought emerge was supposed to be aware of this sort of thing and install apps in the correct order. I did a emerge --pretend --emptytree system |less and perl 5 is there, but further down the list of things to be installed (after openssl). What should do? Install perl separately? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much. Best regards, -- Let music echo the thoughts of your soul. -- Jason Castonguay [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (1% of Full) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Some intelligence in etc-update... please.
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Mark Knecht wrote: With vimdiff how do yo make the actual changes? Can you somehow tell it to apply certain lines from file2 to file1 or do you have to copy and paste by hand? If there are minor changes, you can directly edit the update then save, quit and merge the update. If there are whole line that are different, you can cut and paste between windows (vimdiff colorises too so its easy to see what's different and what's not). -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
