Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of traces of overlays?
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:43:40 -0400, John covici wrote: Well, what I mean by portage thinks is that its still looking for updates from the ebuilds in the no longer available overlays -- if I do emerge --update --deep world I get ebuilds from the overlays and at the end it has the [1] indicating the overlay directory. Can you post the output from emerge --info and the contents of make.conf. -- Neil Bothwick No, you *can't* call 999 now. I'm downloading my mail. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Sunday 15 April 2007 15:31, Jarry wrote: I had the similar experience: tried to install 2006.1 on new mobo, but sata controller could not be recognised (some via chpiset iirc). Ditto Had to buy extra some p-ata drive, install gentoo on it, update kernel, then sata-drive got recognised, chroot to new sata-drive, and finally install gentoo on it once again. Tedious work... As someone already pointed out, boot using any other livecd that recognises the controller, then follow the usual gentoo install instructions, remembering to config kernel for your sata controller. I had to do this to an Asus motherboard a little while back - yes it was frustrating at the time because initially I had no idea why my controller wasn't recognised. -- Crayon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is apache 2.2 hard masked? - comments to my (preliminary) solution
Hi, Mike Williams schrieb: On Thursday 12 April 2007 06:13:44 Wolfgang Liebich wrote: OK - it is in testing. Has anyone here experiences on how stable it is to run? Maybe I need it b/c of a new auth module which does not seem to be available in apache 2.0.58... Oddly enough... http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-server/msg_11696.xml (I've not used the auth modules though) Thank you all for your answers. I will try to press forward with apache 2.2.4. The reason I need it is that I need to authentificate/authorize users agains a Windows ActiveDirectory domain. This is done using LDAP. Until now we only had users coming from one OU served by our DC, so that setup worked w/o a hitch. BUT now we have gotten a user from a different OU, and ... well, I could not get mod_auth_ldap to lookup the user from a BaseDN one level up (BUT searching the user via ldapsearch cmdline worked - IDGI). Apache's own mod_auth_ldap (which you get with USE=ldap) didn't work, either.. SO I decided to go forward to apache 2.2.4 and use 2 LDAP authentification instances, each with a working BaseDN pointing to the wanted OU (same server, only the most specific OU in the BaseDN different) and unify them with mod_authn_alias. For simplicity I used apache's own mod_authnz_ldap. This setup seems to work, with some caveats: - You have to mark both LDAP auth module configurations with AuthzLDAPAuthoritative=off - If you want to restrict access to your site to users belonging to a specified group, you cannot just juse mod_authnz_ldap's require ldap-group feature b/c the module doing authorization checks is mod-authn-alias -- which has NO idea what require ldap-group means. Sigh. BUT: -- you can do some evil tricks with the ldap URL to fake this require ldap-group trick: You modify the search string (the last part of the LDAP url to something like ((original part, e.g. 'objectType=*')(memberOf=DN of the user group)). This has the effect that users not belonging to your wanted group are just not found. This is NOT the same as saying users not in this group are not AUTHORIZED, but it is a working fake. Well, I've got a working system this way, therefore my boss will probably ask me to stop researching further :-). But I'm not totally satisfied with the current solution, b/c - I still don't get the REASON why the ldap auth modules can't find the user(s) but ldapsearch can. - The solution is ugly :-) Seriously - I want to be able to use a single authn/authz provider. Maybe mod_auth_kerberos would be better? - Earlier on I looked into mod_auth_pam (for authentification/authorization against our NIS/YP domain). BUT I didn't use it b/c it seemed to REQUIRE that apache gets read access for /etc/shadow. WHY? If I use pam+NIS, the local shadow pwd file should never needed to be read, right? (Also a fellow sysadmin cautioned me agains mod_auth_pam b/c he claimed it to be rather dead - i.e. not developed further). Comments/Experiences would be very welcome! Ciao, Wolfenglish is NOT my native tongue:-(gang -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo native 64 Bits installation with a Intel Xeon Dual Core?
Hello, I would like to know if its possible to install a Gentoo Linux in a 64 Bits native mode with a Intel Xeon Dual Core processor? In my case it would be a Intel Xeon 3060 2.40 GHz, 4 MB Cache, Dual-Core, 1066 FSB. Should I take the AMD64 ISO image for this? Best regards, saf -- E-Mail sent with anti-spam site TrashMail.net! Free disposable email addresses: http://www.trashmail.net/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Crayon wrote: As someone already pointed out, boot using any other livecd that recognises the controller, then follow the usual gentoo install instructions, remembering to config kernel for your sata controller. I had to do this to an Asus motherboard a little while back - yes it was frustrating at the time because initially I had no idea why my controller wasn't recognised. But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. They need to strike a balance somewhere. Problem is, they come out with new hardware so fast nowadays. It's hard for anybody to keep up to date completely. I suspect Gentoo does better than most as far as a distro is concerned, not counting CD based things like Knoppix or something. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Monday 16 April 2007 16:05, Dale wrote: But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. I'm not sure why that would be a problem? My system only had one cdrom and I managed fine :) -- Crayon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] SATA kernel messages
I am constantly getting errors like this. I don't think it is a problem with the drive although it might be. I have seen hard resetting port messages through my google searches but often they are associated with an error of some sort. I'm using 2.6.19. Anyone else have any experience with this? Apr 16 01:44:19 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:20 sonata kernel: ata1: hardreset failed, retrying in 5 secs Apr 16 01:44:24 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: EH complete Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back -- David Grant http://www.davidgrant.ca
[gentoo-user] cups does not print
i enabled all the printing options as described in Gentoo Printing How to Wiki: i have a parallel-port EPSON Dot Matrix LX-300+ printer and i printed thousands of pages in Arch Linux and Fedora using that printer without any single trouble. in Gentoo i am unable to make it print i did all these: 1.) compiled with the options described in Gentoo Printing Wiki (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml ): Device Drivers -- * Parallel port support * PC-style hardware Device Drivers -- Character Devices -- * Parallel printer support [*] IEEE 1284 transfer modes (NOTICE: last option, IEEE, was not present in the latest kernel i am using: 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 BUt some other option was there and i selected that, it was similar to the one) 2.) did emerge cups 3.) opened localhost:631 in Firefox and created a printer, using the same drivers i used on other distros: Generic - IBMpro generic driver 3.) i can see the printing JOBS in localhost:631 but those JOBS do NOT get printed. what is the trouble ? -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone I'm 37, using gentoo since 2005. Cheers! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Can't find xfcer-xmms-plugins
Hi,guys! Do you guys who use xfce4.4 have xfcer-xmms-plugins?I can't find it. Below is the message of xfcer-xmms-plugins http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xmms-plugin Thanks in advanced! -- wcw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find xfcer-xmms-plugins
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Chuanwen Wu wrote: Hi,guys! Do you guys who use xfce4.4 have xfcer-xmms-plugins?I can't find it. Below is the message of xfcer-xmms-plugins http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xmms-plugin Thanks in advanced! -- wcw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list xmms was pulled out of the portage tree, so everything bound with xmms is gone too. Regards, Rostislav. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA kernel messages
2007/4/16, David Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am constantly getting errors like this. I don't think it is a problem with the drive although it might be. I have seen hard resetting port messages through my google searches but often they are associated with an error of some sort. I'm using 2.6.19. Anyone else have any experience with this? Apr 16 01:44:19 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:20 sonata kernel: ata1: hardreset failed, retrying in 5 secs Apr 16 01:44:24 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: EH complete Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back I also had this kind of problem after setting up my new pc from components. To fix it i checked the connections of my sata cables which were not connected tightly. Maybe you have the same problem. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of traces of overlays?
on Monday 04/16/2007 Neil Bothwick([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:43:40 -0400, John covici wrote:
Well, what I mean by portage thinks is that its still looking for
updates from the ebuilds in the no longer available overlays -- if I
do emerge --update --deep world I get ebuilds from the overlays and
at the end it has the [1] indicating the overlay directory.
Can you post the output from emerge --info and the contents of make.conf.
Here is emerge --info
[1m[37mcfg-update-1.8.0-r6[0m[0m: No new packages have been emerged,
checksum index OK!
Portage 2.1.2.2 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.5-r0,
2.6.19-gentoo-r5 i686)
=
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't find xfcer-xmms-plugins
2007/4/16, Rostislav [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Chuanwen Wu wrote: Hi,guys! Do you guys who use xfce4.4 have xfcer-xmms-plugins?I can't find it. Below is the message of xfcer-xmms-plugins http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xmms-plugin Thanks in advanced! -- wcw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list xmms was pulled out of the portage tree, so everything bound with xmms is gone too. I know that.But xfce4-xmms-plugin can also be used to audacious and bmp. Regards, Rostislav. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- wcw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone I'm 21, was an on-off user between about 15 and 19 and settled down with Gentoo as my main OS about 2 or 3 years ago. Started with SuSE 7.0. I've mainly used Gentoo but I've toyed with CentOS on the server (nice distro but not the same fine level of control and not as up to date) and I've played with Ubuntu on a few systems (looks pretty, still cant beat the feel of gentoo). -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On Friday 13 April 2007, Ryan Sims wrote: On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. This sounds like juju. Did your source provide numbers in support of this conclusion, or is it just concern about hard drive thrashing? If there is a documented causal relationship between too-often syncs and hard drive failure, I (and probably lots of other people) would be interested to see it. Personally, I would be skeptical that even daily syncs would do significant damage to a drive in good condition (all other things being equal). Agreed. Here's what a hard disk does: The platters go round and round and round, then they go round some more. They have bearings, and as any engineering student will tell you, the thing that wears out a bearing is to change the speed is turns at or vary the load on it. With a disk drive, this only happens when it spins up or down. Otherwise, it will go round and round for something like 50,000 hours. While the platters are going round and round and round, the head is on the end of a disk actuator arm which goes in and out. This too will quite happily go in and out 1000s of times a day with no ill effects. And just to completely round everything off and put this whole topic into perspective: Your browser and mail client under normal use are using the disk many many times more intensively than a simple rsync to the portage tree ever could alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo rewrites /etc/resolv.conf automatically
on every boot Gentoo cleans up the /etc/resolv.conf :-( any solution ? - /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 gnu.planet gnu localhost ::1 localhost -- /etc/conf.d/net - dns_domain_lo=planet config_eth0=( 192.168.0.2/24 ) routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.0.1 ) -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo rewrites /etc/resolv.conf automatically
Le Monday 16 April 2007 13:01:11 arnuld, vous avez écrit : on every boot Gentoo cleans up the /etc/resolv.conf :-( any solution ? - /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 gnu.planet gnu localhost ::1 localhost -- /etc/conf.d/net - dns_domain_lo=planet config_eth0=( 192.168.0.2/24 ) routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.0.1 ) -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ Hello ! You have to add the following line to your /etc/conf.d/net : dns_servers_eth0 (192.168.0.1) change 192.168.0.1 to your nameserver address. Regards. -- Xavier Parizet http://www.linuxant.fr/ pgp8N4wp7sLms.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry� from Vodafone z� ��(��j)b�bst== 51... and feeling a lot like 40. :.) well... maybe 42. Cheers... -- Jerry McBride
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo rewrites /etc/resolv.conf automatically
On Monday 16 April 2007 07:01:11 am arnuld wrote: on every boot Gentoo cleans up the /etc/resolv.conf :-( any solution ? - /etc/hosts -- 127.0.0.1 gnu.planet gnu localhost ::1 localhost -- /etc/conf.d/net - dns_domain_lo=planet config_eth0=( 192.168.0.2/24 ) routes_eth0=( default via 192.168.0.1 ) -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ Yes... this is typical of the later versions of baselayout. You have to enter your dns info into the file ate /etc/conf.d/net... Like this... #/etc/conf.d/net modules=(ifconfig) config_eth0=(192.168.0.12 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255) routes_eth0=(default via 192.168.0.1) dns_domain_eth0=(my.domain) dns_search_eth0=(search hsd99.nj.comcast.net.) dns_servers_eth0=(68.87.75.194 68.87.64.146) -- -- Jerry McBride -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Em Segunda 16 Abril 2007 05:19, Crayon escreveu: On Monday 16 April 2007 16:05, Dale wrote: But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. I'm not sure why that would be a problem? My system only had one cdrom and I managed fine :) I don't known how to do it... u.u So... I need to change my distro on a PC upgrade?? =P -- Davi Vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Agora com fortune: Excerpt from a conversation between a customer support person and a customer working for a well-known military-affiliated research lab: Support: You're not our only customer, you know. Customer: But we're one of the few with tactical nuclear weapons. pgprGI5uPq48R.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. Why's that? In such a case, you simply don't use the Gentoo CD, but some other CD to do your stage 3 installation. No need to be swapping CDs. Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Monday 16 April 2007, Davi wrote: Em Segunda 16 Abril 2007 05:19, Crayon escreveu: On Monday 16 April 2007 16:05, Dale wrote: But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. I'm not sure why that would be a problem? My system only had one cdrom and I managed fine :) I don't known how to do it... u.u So... I need to change my distro on a PC upgrade?? =P No, not at all. Yoiu don't use a CD to upgrade gentoo, you just run 'emerge -uND world'. To install gentoo, the minimum you require is a running kernel, a network connection and a shell session. From there you chroot into the directory that is going to become your /, unpack a portage tree and binaries copies of some important apps, then emerge the rest. You don't have to use a gentoo CD for that, I've done it from a Red Hat rescue disk, a Knoppix disk and from a working Mandrake install. The gentoo CD does make life easier though if you run into trouble, as everything you will need will be on the disk and you don't have to hunt for stuff. What Dale was saying is that if your machine doesn't have enough memory to run a Gentoo LiveCD or installer, then you have a problem because you can't get the first of the things you must have - a running kernel. But it's been something like 10 years now since I last saw a regular machine that had so little RAm... alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] can not find shared libraries
i am trying to run binary executable of skype which i used on Arch Linux. i placed the executables in /home/arnuld/.binaries/skype directory. now when i try to run it i get this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/.binaries/skype $ ./skype ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/.binaries/skype $ and i got that library in standard path /usr/lib: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/.binaries/skype-1.3.0.53 $ ls /usr/lib/ | grep asound libasound.a libasound.la libasound.so libasound.so.2 libasound.so.2.0.0 why i am getting the error when libraries are installed in standard paths ? -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Davi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Segunda 16 Abril 2007 05:19, Crayon escreveu: On Monday 16 April 2007 16:05, Dale wrote: But if your system has only one CD and not enough memory to load in cache, you're in a pickle. I'm not sure why that would be a problem? My system only had one cdrom and I managed fine :) I don't known how to do it... u.u So... I need to change my distro on a PC upgrade?? =P The alternative installation documentation describes how to do it. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml -- »Q« -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] can not find shared libraries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Why don't you just emerge skype for a Gentoo-related skype binary, instead of some alien binary? - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica Foros GNU/Buanzo: Respeto, Soluciones y Buena Onda: http://foros.buanzo.com.ar Consulting and Secure Mail Hosting: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI22uAlpOsGhXcE0RCr7rAJ9gHc026tSBbvgemnIiW1HOxYkHwACfRMDS wD4XPjURtR6RDMS3CL02VbM= =ZF9D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Xen Doc compilation failed = latex2html pb
Hi,
I emerged app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4 on my gentoo box but the
compilation failed with the DOC use flag :
[...]
make: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
latex src/user.tex /dev/null
latex src/interface.tex /dev/null
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
install -d -m0755 html/user
latex2html -split 0 -show_section_numbers -toc_depth 3 -nonavigation \
-numbered_footnotes -local_icons -noinfo -math -dir html/user \
src/user.tex 1/dev/null 2/dev/null
if [ -e user.toc ] ; then latex src/user.tex /dev/null ; fi
if [ -e interface.toc ] ; then latex src/interface.tex /dev/null ; fi
make[1]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
install -d -m0755 man1
install -d -m0755 ps
dvips -Ppdf -G0 -o ps/user.ps.new user.dvi
pod2man --release=xen-unstable --name=`echo man1/xm.1 | sed 's/^man1.//'| \
sed 's/.1//'` -s 1 -c Xen man/xm.pod.1 man1/xm.1
This is dvips(k) 5.95b Copyright 2005 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2007.04.15:1612' - ps/user.ps.new
tex.proalt-rule.pro8r.enctexps.prospecial.pro. cmsy8.pfb
cmsy10.pfbcmmi10.pfb[1figs/xenlogo.eps] [2] [1] [2] [3] [4] [1] [2] [3]
[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19]
[20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34]
[35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49]
[50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62]
mv ps/user.ps.new ps/user.ps
install -d -m0755 ps
dvips -Ppdf -G0 -o ps/interface.ps.new interface.dvi
This is dvips(k) 5.95b Copyright 2005 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2007.04.15:1612' - ps/interface.ps.new
tex.proalt-rule.pro8r.enctexps.prospecial.pro. cmmi10.pfb
cmsy10.pfb[1figs/xenlogo.eps] [2] [1] [2] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
[9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
[24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38]
[39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47]
mv ps/interface.ps.new ps/interface.ps
install -d -m0755 pdf
ps2pdf ps/user.ps pdf/user.pdf.new
install -d -m0755 man5
pod2man --release=xen-unstable --name=`echo man5/xend-config.sxp.5 |
sed 's/^man5.//'| \
sed 's/.5//'` -s 5 -c Xen man/xend-config.sxp.pod.5
man5/xend-config.sxp.5
install -d -m0755 man5
pod2man --release=xen-unstable --name=`echo man5/xmdomain.cfg.5 | sed
's/^man5.//'| \
sed 's/.5//'` -s 5 -c Xen man/xmdomain.cfg.pod.5
man5/xmdomain.cfg.5
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
install -d -m0755 pdf
ps2pdf ps/interface.ps pdf/interface.pdf.new
mv pdf/user.pdf.new pdf/user.pdf
install -d -m0755 html/interface
latex2html -split 0 -show_section_numbers -toc_depth 3 -nonavigation \
-numbered_footnotes -local_icons -noinfo -math -dir html/interface \
src/interface.tex 1/dev/null 2/dev/null
mv pdf/interface.pdf.new pdf/interface.pdf
make[1]: *** [html/user/index.html] Error 2
make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[1]: *** [html/interface/index.html] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
make: *** [html] Error 2
rm user.dvi interface.dvi
make: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
!!! ERROR: app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4 failed.
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile'
environment, line 3633: Called src_compile
xen-tools-3.0.2-r4.ebuild, line 147: Called die
!!! compiling docs failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at
'/root/ebuild-logs/app-emulation:xen-tools-3.0.2-r4:20070415-141126.log'.
So I did a manual make html without 1 and 2 /dev/nul:
Everything was fine until the build of images:
[...]
94/95:section:...B.2 Installing vnet support for user.html
;.,.,..,,.,.;.
95/95:chapter:..C. Glossary of Terms for user.html
;.,;
.
Doing footnotes ...
Writing image file ...
Fatal (syswait): exec ./images.tex failed: Permission denied
at /usr/lib/latex2html/latex2html.pl line 3760
Cannot read logfile './images.log': No such file or directory
Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/latex2html line 39.
make[1]: *** [html/user/index.html] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/xen-tools-3.0.2-r4/work/xen-3.0.2/docs'
make: *** [html] Error 2
Here is the line 3760:
sub make_latex_images{
close_dbm_database if $DJGPP;
local($dd) = $dd; $dd = '/' if ($dd eq \\);
local($latex_call) = $LATEX .$dd${PREFIX}images.tex;
print $latex_call\n if (($DEBUG)||($VERBOSITY 1));
L2hos-syswait($latex_call);
= 3760
[gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
---BeginMessage--- can anyone explain to me what are the differences between the stage 1,2 and 3 installation tarballs? :/ thx... ---End Message---
Re: [gentoo-user] Any consequences to package.mask'ing newer kernels?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:10 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
equery --quiet --nocolor list --duplicates gentoo-sources | awk
'{print $1}' | head -n -2 | xargs --no-run-if-empty emerge
--unmerge /dev/null
Out of interest:
1) Why --duplicates (i.e. am I missing something ;).
No idea, I wrote the script a couple of years ago, if I'd wanted to
remember how it worked I'd have commented it. :)
I remember now. If you have only one kernel installed, --duplicates
prevents it being uninstalled - quite a useful feature ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Any consequences to package.mask'ing newer kernels?
On Monday 16 April 2007 15:00:30 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:10 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
equery --quiet --nocolor list --duplicates gentoo-sources | awk
'{print $1}' | head -n -2 | xargs --no-run-if-empty emerge
--unmerge /dev/null
Out of interest:
1) Why --duplicates (i.e. am I missing something ;).
No idea, I wrote the script a couple of years ago, if I'd wanted to
remember how it worked I'd have commented it. :)
I remember now. If you have only one kernel installed, --duplicates
prevents it being uninstalled - quite a useful feature ;-)
head -n -2 would prevent that anyway. As well as preventing the deletion
from /boot and /lib/modules (where it really matters)..
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Re: [gentoo-user] can not find shared libraries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 arnuld wrote: Ouch ! i did not know that.. Now, to tell you the truth, you should've checked forums.gentoo.org and search for skype there. Or google for gentoo skype or something like that, instead of coming directly here. But, the truth is that you asked here because you thought your problem was related to shared libraries. So... Oh well, I'm feeling nice today [see signature] :) - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica My 1st Freshmeat Article: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/2599 Consulting and Secure Mail Hosting: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI3XSAlpOsGhXcE0RCotaAJkBnIUCFafkRzUYsNV/DuDyCzyWpQCfav+2 HJCp/EaRPNLdlHUyteJBdGg= =M/kd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: MSSQL command line Linux interface
On Monday 09 April 2007 20:40, Michael Mauch wrote: Mauro Faccenda wrote: I need to do some simple tasks in a MSSQL Server from a Linux that have no X installed. I know I can tunnel a SSH connection and run any MSSQL in my own box, but I think it's more practical to have a cli gui for MSSQL, but I couldn't find one googling for it, so I'm here asking you. For short: anyone know a Linux CLI GUI for MSSQL? Have a look at http://www.freetds.org. Perhaps the tsql contained in freetds is already what you want, otherwise sqsh could help. Both freetds and sqsh are in portage. Thank you and Elias for the help, this is exactly what I was looking for. ;) []'s .m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
On Monday 16 April 2007, Jesús Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs': El Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:54:49 +0300 Stratos Psomadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: can anyone explain to me what are the differences between the stage 1,2 and 3 installation tarballs?ç They are three different stages of the same thing. Stage1 is a tarball which contains a basic minimal C compiler. And, unless a fix has been discovered and applied, stage1 tarball doesn't contain any information about what packages own what files, so starting from stage 1 will leave a minimal amount of cruft in /usr (?and /var?). IIRC, I started from stage 1 on my first install (2004.3), but I wouldn't recommend anything other than stage 3 to anyone at this point, since there's now an established procedure for changing your CHOST if need be, and packages in system will eventually pick up any CFLAGS customizations gradually. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] no images displayed in Konqueror or Gwenview
Hi all, My Konqueror and Gwenview applications are not displaying images (no thumbnails or images displayed) Gwenview 1.3.1 (Using KDE 3.5.5) What library do I need to be looking at to get png, gif, jpeg support for these two applications? Many thanks regards Garry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Any consequences to package.mask'ing newer kernels?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:06:54 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: I remember now. If you have only one kernel installed, --duplicates prevents it being uninstalled - quite a useful feature ;-) head -n -2 would prevent that anyway. As well as preventing the deletion from /boot and /lib/modules (where it really matters).. Of course it will, I'm not thinking straight today. I suppose I could remove the --duplicates and if you don't hear from me again, you'll know there was a good reason for it ;-) -- Neil Bothwick A Microsoft joke (is that a tautology?) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
installing with stage3 and 2x emerge -e system and 2x emerge -e world will give you exact performance as it was installed from stage1.. On 4/16/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 16 April 2007, Jesús Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs': El Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:54:49 +0300 Stratos Psomadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: can anyone explain to me what are the differences between the stage 1,2 and 3 installation tarballs?ç They are three different stages of the same thing. Stage1 is a tarball which contains a basic minimal C compiler. And, unless a fix has been discovered and applied, stage1 tarball doesn't contain any information about what packages own what files, so starting from stage 1 will leave a minimal amount of cruft in /usr (?and /var?). IIRC, I started from stage 1 on my first install (2004.3), but I wouldn't recommend anything other than stage 3 to anyone at this point, since there's now an established procedure for changing your CHOST if need be, and packages in system will eventually pick up any CFLAGS customizations gradually. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ -- purple..
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
On Monday 16 April 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: IIRC, I started from stage 1 on my first install (2004.3), but I wouldn't recommend anything other than stage 3 to anyone at this point, since there's now an established procedure for changing your CHOST if need be, and packages in system will eventually pick up any CFLAGS customizations gradually. It's a good learning experience to do at least one stage 1 sometime in your life, you learn a *huge* amount from it. But like you say, after you've done it once, doing it again becomes pretty pointless :-) alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of traces of overlays?
on Monday 04/16/2007 Bo Ørsted Andresen([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On Monday 16 April 2007 11:41:01 John covici wrote: Well, what I mean by portage thinks is that its still looking for updates from the ebuilds in the no longer available overlays -- if I do emerge --update --deep world I get ebuilds from the overlays and at the end it has the [1] indicating the overlay directory. Can you post the output from emerge --info and the contents of make.conf. Here is emerge --info [SNIP] PORTDIR=/usr/portage PORT_LOGDIR=/var/log/portage [SNIP] So as there is no PORTDIR_OVERLAY at all this shows that portage does indeed not think that there are any overlays... Now show us the evidence from emerge -uDp world where you 'get ebuilds from the overlays and [...]'. And Well, here issomething which might help -- output from update-eix. Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix) .. [0] /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata) Reading 100% [1] /usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental (cache: eix* [/usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental]) Reading 100% [2] /usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla (cache: eix* [/usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla]) Reading 100% Applying masks .. Database contains 11558 packages in 149 categories. Now why is it still reading from the non existent directories /usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental and /usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla ? I am reasonablyy certain if we can solve this, my problems will be solved. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
El Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:56:27 +0200 purple [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: installing with stage3 and 2x emerge -e system and 2x emerge -e world will give you exact performance as it was installed from stage1.. Nah, doing an emerge -e world will give you exactly the same. Since the gcc compiler bootstraps itself on compile time, so, recompiling it again and again and again and again is pretty much useless. What does that mean? Well, the compiler first is compiled with your actual c compiler, and then, once it's been compiled, it automatically re-compiles itself using the produced compiler. So, if you do it again you are just wasting your time. That is, of course, unless you pass the --disable-bootstrap option to ./configure when compiling gcc, but as you all can see, it is not the case: # grep disable-bootstrap /var/portage/sys-devel/gcc/gcc-4.1.1.ebuild # It is a common and widespread misconception. Of course, you can still recompile gcc as many times as you wish, if that makes you happy. --Jesús Guerrero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
El Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:02:39 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Monday 16 April 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: IIRC, I started from stage 1 on my first install (2004.3), but I wouldn't recommend anything other than stage 3 to anyone at this point, since there's now an established procedure for changing your CHOST if need be, and packages in system will eventually pick up any CFLAGS customizations gradually. It's a good learning experience to do at least one stage 1 sometime in your life, you learn a *huge* amount from it. But like you say, after you've done it once, doing it again becomes pretty pointless :-) That argument is not too good. The difference between stage3 and stage1 in terms of learning is this: # you uncompress the stage, like you'd do with stage3 # then the portage snapshot $ cd /usr/portage/scripts $ ./bootstrap.sh # wait $ emerge -e system Now, you are at stage3 (if all went ok, which is often not the case). So, besides wasting your time, there is no point (even for learning purposes) on doing a stage1 install. If you want to learn something about the build process of a linux distro go and use linux from scratch. The snippet above (actually 3 commands) is all you will learn form stage1. Of course, if you get some trouble in the way you will have to learn some more things, but, first, that is not supposed to happen, and second, it is not the best way to learn, cause it often leads to frustration. -- Jesús Guerrero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo native 64 Bits installation with a Intel Xeon Dual Core?
qfpvajdy wrote: I would like to know if its possible to install a Gentoo Linux in a 64 Bits native mode with a Intel Xeon Dual Core processor? In my case it would be a Intel Xeon 3060 2.40 GHz, 4 MB Cache, Dual-Core, 1066 FSB. Should I take the AMD64 ISO image for this? Yes. Be lucky, Neil -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of traces of overlays?
On Monday 16 April 2007 16:23:34 John covici wrote: Well, here issomething which might help -- output from update-eix. Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix) .. [0] /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata) Reading 100% [1] /usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental (cache: eix* [/usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental]) Reading 100% [2] /usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla (cache: eix* [/usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla]) Reading 100% Applying masks .. Database contains 11558 packages in 149 categories. Now why is it still reading from the non existent directories /usr/portage/local/layman/gnome-experimental and /usr/portage/local/layman/mozilla ? I am reasonablyy certain if we can solve this, my problems will be solved. Because by default eix doesn't purge it's cache. You can do so manually by removing /var/cache/eix. I thought there was a configuration option in /etc/eixrc to change this behaviour too but I can't seem to find it again.. The cache: eix* means that it's aware they no longer exist outside the eix cache. In either case this is entirely unrelated to portage itself. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] can not find shared libraries
On 4/16/07, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, to tell you the truth, you should've checked forums.gentoo.org and search for skype there. Or google for gentoo skype or something like that, instead of coming directly here. well, actually, i also have Wengophone and Gizmo and both have the same problem. i can not install Wengophone from portgae as it is MASKED. so that is why i asked the question. But, the truth is that you asked here because you thought your problem was related to shared libraries. So... Oh well, yep :-) I'm feeling nice today [see signature] :) Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica well i really don't understand that Seuri-DAD or Seuri-MOM stuff ;-) i only understand English (with my native tongues Hindi and Punjabi) My 1st Freshmeat Article: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/2599 iso you think find command is powerfull. COOL ;-) -- http://arnuld.blogspot.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stage tarballs
On Monday 16 April 2007, Jesús Guerrero wrote: So, besides wasting your time, there is no point (even for learning purposes) on doing a stage1 install. If you want to learn something about the build process of a linux distro go and use linux from scratch. The snippet above (actually 3 commands) is all you will learn form stage1. I don't agree, at least not in my case. Yes, I did do an LFS install, but after the first few compiles it became a purely mechanical process where I was entering commands off the howto blindly and not really comprehending what was happening. A stage 1 on the other hand, was just enough thinking about it and what might happen, then let the process rip ahead. I was still interested enough to pay real attention to the outpout on screen and learn from it. As with all things, we have different experiences and ymmv alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Sunday 15 April 2007 07:37, Dale wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 4/15/07, Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. ... We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Just get any old version (that works), That's the point. None works. The media needs kernel 2.6.18 or better. I can use Knoppix or Ubuntu, but that's not the point. Maybe some are not understanding the point he is making. If I understand correctly, he needs a newer release so that when he boots the CD to do a install, it will see his hardware. It would appear that the The same thing happens on my laptop as well (Thinkpad Z61m, core2Duo). The Gentoo boot disks just don't have the drivers. I had to boot a Knoppix disk, install that, then do gentoo as a chroot... Which was a REAL nightmare because the knoppix was 32bit I wanted a 64-bit install (It took messing around with a kernel from a ~amd64 desktop manually copied over as well before I could get gentoo installed correctly). I'd hate to have to try rebuild... H pgpMOUuJAUEUj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA kernel messages
On 4/16/07, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/4/16, David Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am constantly getting errors like this. I don't think it is a problem with the drive although it might be. I have seen hard resetting port messages through my google searches but often they are associated with an error of some sort. I'm using 2.6.19. Anyone else have any experience with this? Apr 16 01:44:19 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:20 sonata kernel: ata1: hardreset failed, retrying in 5 secs Apr 16 01:44:24 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: ata1: EH complete Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Apr 16 01:44:25 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back I also had this kind of problem after setting up my new pc from components. To fix it i checked the connections of my sata cables which were not connected tightly. Maybe you have the same problem. Thanks for the tip. Actually I should have been looking at syslog rather than messages because syslog does show the error: Apr 16 08:54:45 sonata kernel: ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x9 action 0x2 frozen Apr 16 08:54:45 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 08:54:45 sonata kernel: ata1: COMRESET failed (device not ready) Apr 16 08:54:45 sonata kernel: ata1: hardreset failed, retrying in 5 secs Apr 16 08:54:50 sonata kernel: ata1: hard resetting port Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: ata1: EH complete Apr 16 08:54:1 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: 625142448 512-byte hdwr sectors (320073 MB) Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 Apr 16 08:54:51 sonata kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back -- David Grant http://www.davidgrant.ca
Re: [gentoo-user] Packet Shaping
After a lot of testing, these numbers seem to give me the best performance as far as bittorrent download speed. How can that be? Is DOWNLINK my upload and UPLINK my download? Hm, usually not. Are you by chance shaping the internal (i.e. LAN) interface on a router? Then, of course, it would make sense (except from the fact that shaping your actual bottle neck, i.e. Internet connection, would make more sense). Thanks a lot for that. I switched the interface to eth0 and reversed the DOWNLINK and UPLINK values. I tried to define the bittorrent ports as a low priority like this: NOPRIOPORTSRC=6881:6999 NOPRIOPORTDST=6881:6999 but I get this when restarting shorewall: Illegal match In the wshaper source, the action happens here (and the same for *DST): ---snip for a in $NOPRIOPORTSRC do tc filter add dev $DEV parent 1: protocol ip prio 15 u32 \ match ip sport $a 0x flowid 1:30 done ---snip In this configuration, it expects a shell-separatable list of ports, i.e. separated by whitespace. It will create a rule for each one. The dirty, easy way: | NOPRIOPORTSRC=$(seq 6881 6999) | NOPRIOPORTDST=$NOPRIOPORTSRC But I would rather extend wshaper by another (custom) line and dump your NOPRIOPORT*-settings. The syntax is match ip sport PATTERN MASK. The port of an incoming packet is AND'ed w/ the MASK and compared to the PATTERN. e.g. match ip sport 6880 0xffe0 would match 6880-6911, a further match ip sport 6912 0xffc0 would match 6912-6975. The advantage of this is simply speed/CPU cycles. Alternatively, you could just use iptables to mark your packets (which probably means even more precious CPU cycles). The wshaper script, however, doesn't use iptables. I switched to wshaper from wshaper.htb and now ssh and browsing seem a lot more responsive. Could that be because I'm missing something in my kernel that I need for htb? I don't get any errors when restarting the firewall. One other thing is if I don't limit the upload rate within my bittorrent client, it really goes nuts and everything else suffers. I don't see how that's possible with UPLINK and the bittorrent source and destination ports defined. What I'd really like to do is limit the bittorrent upload rate so Verizon doesn't throttle my connection. Can I do that with The Wonder Shaper without limiting the total upload rate? I don't trust the bittorrent clients I use to limit it. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On April 16 at 06:46 EDT, Alan McKinnon hastily scribbled: On Friday 13 April 2007, Ryan Sims wrote: On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. I apologize for butting in, but this is actually possible if you are using a Flash memory medium, such as a CompactFlash card or a USB pen drive, for the filesystem containing Portage. It is true, as you said, that syncing often will cause no harm to a normal hard disk. Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. ...and scaring off users who passed it (probably just because they misunderstood or misinterpreted something) by replying like this. Please, be nice. --Thomas Tuttle pgpPQ9nwZDoIw.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
b.n. schrieb: Yes, this is quite boring, since I wouldn't like to rely on network/double drive. Wouldn't it be possible to use a multisession cd/dvd with the gentoo cd in the first session and the tarball in the second (or editing the gentoo cd ISO)? I d'ont know. I'm not good at this CD-ISO stuff, though I always use network, if possible. What about a USB-Stick (if you have USB 2.0)? Or possibly a second hard drive? Or you move the harddrive from your old machine to your build machine and build everything on it? In this way you do not need a tarball. OK, it is not very comfortable, but simple to realize and quite fast to do. Regards Marc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On 4/16/07, Thomas Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 16 at 06:46 EDT, Alan McKinnon hastily scribbled: On Friday 13 April 2007, Ryan Sims wrote: On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. I apologize for butting in, but this is actually possible if you are using a Flash memory medium, such as a CompactFlash card or a USB pen drive, for the filesystem containing Portage. It is true, as you said, that syncing often will cause no harm to a normal hard disk. Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. ...and scaring off users who passed it (probably just because they misunderstood or misinterpreted something) by replying like this. Please, be nice. --Thomas Tuttle While perhaps expressed in a harsh way, I think Alan's frustration is understandable. There is a lot of bad information out there, on subjects from CFLAGS to hard drive failure to toolchain rebuilds, based on hearsay and rumor rather than testing and understanding. When there are people posting bad advice based on misunderstanding and users accepting alarmist statements without checking facts or questioning sources, we get a lot of static on b.g.o, this list and the forums. Perhaps a more polite (but less emotionally satisfying ;) ) response is: don't just accept advice because its scary or kewl. If someone's promising performance gains or warning about damage risks, ask for real numbers/research, not just hype or alarmism. My 2cents worth. Hopefully I didn't come across as insulting, but I do think that a little more health skepticism in the gentoo user base (and indeed the world at large) would be A Good Thing (tm). -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:14:07 -0300 Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deface wrote: If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. I needed to bootstrap on an old box, then swap hard drives. Not very friendly. We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Regards, Norberto As has been said, the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, although it seems worth repeating that it _does_ have to support the same architecture. This isn't usually a big deal unless a chip supports multiple architectures, ie x86_64 can run x86 code. But it can't run both at once unless it has the right libs and - gasp - livecd's don't. Some people on the gentoo forums also updated a disk image a little so that they could boot it on their nice new computers. You should be able to find it without too much difficulty on the forums. It's definitely a good thing to have the official releases come out when ready. Buggy discs are a lot worse publicity than being behind schedule. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On 4/16/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:14:07 -0300 Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deface wrote: If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. I needed to bootstrap on an old box, then swap hard drives. Not very friendly. We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Regards, Norberto As has been said, the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, although it seems worth repeating that it _does_ have to support the same architecture. This isn't usually a big deal unless a chip supports multiple architectures, ie x86_64 can run x86 code. But it can't run both at once unless it has the right libs and - gasp - livecd's don't. Some people on the gentoo forums also updated a disk image a little so that they could boot it on their nice new computers. You should be able to find it without too much difficulty on the forums. http://www.kernel-of-truth.net/downloads_kOT.html I used it to get things up and running amd64 with the new JMicron drivers, worked like a charm (ot: in stark contrast to the windows install, which eventually required a *floppy* to load drivers...slackware flashbacks ;) ). If you're worried about compatibility with a new rig, searching the forums for hardware (Asus P5B in my case) often turns up the poor souls who found bugs the hard way, allowing cowards like me to benefit from their hard work. -- Ryan W Sims -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID-0 with LVM - is there any point?
I think you need to try running a real benchmark like bonnie++ against both. For example, you run time dd but you don't include the sync in the time... Daniel Iliev wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Daniel Iliev, Actually I'd be glad to read some results from a Fake RAID-0 vs LVM tests. My bet would be that RAID-0 w/o LVM would give the best speeds Omitting LVM isn't an option, I'd lose all the flexibility that LVM offers. I don't see why RAID-0 should be necessarily more efficient than LVM, unless there's something superior about RAID-0's striping algorithms. I could do some before and after tests, but I'd first have the reformat the filesystems to remove any effects of fragmentation. If no one comes up with a good reason for keeping the RAID, I'll get rid of it, running bonnie++ before and after. Hi, Neil! Out of curiosity I made some tests which confirmed my expectations. What about you - did you have time (and wish) to take some performance benchmarks? I would be glad to see some additional results. I'm attaching my tests in file called bench.txt. echo y | mdadm -C /dev/md9 -n2 /dev/sda11 /dev/sdb11 -l0 mkfs.xfs /dev/md9 mkdir /test mount /dev/md9 /test dd if=/dev/urandom of=/test.rnd bs=1M count=1500 time cp /test.rnd /test real0m44.981s user0m0.036s sys 0m6.967s sync time mv /test.rnd /test real0m47.514s user0m0.047s sys 0m7.077s sync time mv /test/test.rnd / real0m53.863s user0m0.060s sys 0m8.885s mdadm --stop /dev/md9 pvcreate /dev/sda11 pvcreate /dev/sdb11 vgcreate test /dev/sda11 vgextend test /dev/sdb11 vgdisplay | grep 'Total PE' Total PE 1686 lvcreate -i2 -l1686 -nlogvol test mkfs.xfs /dev/test/logvol mount /dev/test/logvol /test time cp /test.rnd /test real1m12.183s user0m0.039s sys 0m9.570s sync time mv /test.rnd /test real0m51.643s user0m0.044s sys 0m7.275s sync time mv /test/test.rnd / real1m54.937s user0m0.047s sys 0m9.556s = BOTTOM LINE: cp /test.rnd /test LVM:20.78 [MB/s] RAID-0: 33.41 [MB/s] mv /test.rnd /test LVM:29.04[MB/s] RAID-0: 31.56[MB/s] mv /test/test.rnd / LVM:11.11[MB/s] RAID-0: 27.84[MB/s] Strange: I repeated the last LVM test because it seemed to me as a low performance peak, but the result was again very low: time mv /test/test.rnd / real1m27.775s user0m0.050s sys 0m9.813s which is: 1500/87.775 = 17.089 [MB/s] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
Go back to using Solaris ya old fart! ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's reasonable to file it as an enhancement request. Oh for pete's sake, don't be so literal. Esearch has screwed up. Emerge has screwed up. Revdep-rebuild has screwed up. Stop reading the leaves on the trees and paya ttention to the forest. Your quibbly attitude is exactly the petulant behavior which makes me not want to waste my time filing bug reports on somebody's pet eye candy. First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't be honoured. It should (and it does here). Secondly, how did you come up with the idea that a bug report would be dismissed if you never filed one? The UNIX standard for ages has been simple text output. Why must gentoo add trendy colors which change every time some eye candy fanatic gets a bug up his butt to change colors when he gets bored with the old fashioned colors? the default ought to be colors OFF and you have to ask to get them. I choose fonts small enough to get maximum density with minimum eye strain. The only way I could read these colors would be to increase the font size and decrease the density. If gentoo developers think that a wise trade off when almost no other utility uses colors so much and so horribly, then gentoo is broken by design and no amount of bug reportage will change a damned thing. Harmony is a nice design feature. You ought to try it sometime. As long as I am ranting, I may as well throw in a few rants on the amateur kids who run gentoo; those who think the world should be thankful for their color choices are the same idiots who linked ls against a /usr/lib library and made my system ubootable, who removed libraries which LVM linked against during boot and made my system unbootable. Gentoo has good points, starting with portage, but it also has innumerable insufferable knowitalls who make me gnash my teeth at their inconsiderate unthinking fad-of-the-week behavior. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On 16 April 2007, Thomas Tuttle wrote: On April 16 at 06:46 EDT, Alan McKinnon hastily scribbled: On Friday 13 April 2007, Ryan Sims wrote: On 4/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. I apologize for butting in, but this is actually possible if you are using a Flash memory medium, such as a CompactFlash card or a USB pen drive, for the filesystem containing Portage. It is true, as you said, that syncing often will cause no harm to a normal hard disk. Same as *any* writing activity. So no, this doesn't count as emerge --sync huts the harddisk. ;-) Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. ...and scaring off users who passed it (probably just because they misunderstood or misinterpreted something) by replying like this. Alan was quite right. As I said in and earlier response: Emerge --sync hurts your harddrive as much as driving your car hurts your tyres. Uwe -- The Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
Nearly 28. Been using gentoo since version 1.0 (maybe pre-1.0 but can't remember). I started using linux back when slackware fit on a bunch of 5.25 floppies. I now work full time at a startup in the silicon valley watching over 4 datacenters full of CentOS machines (and some Solaris). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone �éí¢‹¬z¸ žÚ(¢¸j)bž bst== -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
Hello Thomas Tuttle, I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk. Uninformed idiots who tell you total garbage like that ought to be shot. No, they ought to be hung, drawn, quartered and their corpses hung out on a stick to be picked clean by crows. I apologize for butting in, but this is actually possible if you are using a Flash memory medium, such as a CompactFlash card or a USB pen drive, for the filesystem containing Portage. It is true, as you said, that syncing often will cause no harm to a normal hard disk. The statement specifically referred to a hard disk. Keeping portage on a flash memory device would be insane. Seriously, I spend half my days on support debunking just this kind of twaddle. ...and scaring off users who passed it (probably just because they misunderstood or misinterpreted something) by replying like this. If it scares them out of unquestioningly accepting and disseminating every piece of uninformed rubbish they hear, is that such a bad thing? Alan could have been a little more tactful, I suspect he was actually biting his tongue and could have been more forceful I think he struck the right balance. The original statement was ridiculous, not slightly in error. -- Neil Bothwick teG I sdrawkcaB eroM ehT oG I sdrawroF eroM ehT signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
Marc Blumentritt ha scritto: I d'ont know. I'm not good at this CD-ISO stuff, though I always use network, if possible. What about a USB-Stick (if you have USB 2.0)? Or possibly a second hard drive? Or you move the harddrive from your old machine to your build machine and build everything on it? In this way you do not need a tarball. OK, it is not very comfortable, but simple to realize and quite fast to do. Problem is, I'd like a general solution that can work on any kind of machine, no matter if it's network connected, it has 1 or 2 cd drives etc. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Packet Shaping
Hi, On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:00:04 -0700 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a lot of testing, these numbers seem to give me the best performance as far as bittorrent download speed. How can that be? Is DOWNLINK my upload and UPLINK my download? Hm, usually not. Are you by chance shaping the internal (i.e. LAN) interface on a router? Then, of course, it would make sense (except from the fact that shaping your actual bottle neck, i.e. Internet connection, would make more sense). Thanks a lot for that. I switched the interface to eth0 and reversed the DOWNLINK and UPLINK values. :-) I switched to wshaper from wshaper.htb and now ssh and browsing seem a lot more responsive. Could that be because I'm missing something in my kernel that I need for htb? I don't get any errors when restarting the firewall. I'm not sure about that. I did only try wshaper.htb and didn't manage to fit it to my needs completely either (see below). The kernel configuration help tells a good bunch of info, IIRC. One other thing is if I don't limit the upload rate within my bittorrent client, it really goes nuts and everything else suffers. I don't see how that's possible with UPLINK and the bittorrent source and destination ports defined. Well, the problem is that limiting inbound traffic is absolutely unreliable. From the numbers given, I guess you're on DSL, right? (Just like me, BTW.) If you were on cable, well, there's not a lot you can do since the media is unreliable w/ regard to your share of it. But I think you're talking about stable bandwith. If you're not lucky, all those peers out there flood your inbound traffic line. You can't shape this on your side, it's absolutely an issue to be resolved on the DSLAM your DSL modem connects to. OTOH, those routers usually don't do very sophisticated packet inspection... So it's all about cutting expensive connections down very early. This is the even more true for applications that are somewhat hasty in changing their requested and incoming traffic. So first try cutting down the maximum even more. Take a few measures and see what is actually saturated: upstream or downstream. If it's in fact neither, it's a configuration issue. What I'd really like to do is limit the bittorrent upload rate so Verizon doesn't throttle my connection. Can I do that with The Wonder Shaper without limiting the total upload rate? I don't trust the bittorrent clients I use to limit it. Did you consider trickle? It's lightweight and easy and works on application layer (i.e. usermode) by overloading glibc functions... If you're not trying to manage a whole set of clients behind a router, that would be an option. And to be honest: I've dumped QoS on my linux-based router. I've never managed to fully saturize my link the way I wanted it using it. I'm not completely sure if I should blame it on the 125MHz the poor CPU's running at (it's a WiFi AP, the Linksys WAP54g) or the 8MB of RAM... -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Dale ha scritto: Me, I'd go back to Mandrake until a new release comes out. As a former Mandraker: for $DEITY's sake, not Mandrake! Not after Gentoo. Debian, Kubuntu, even Slack...but not Mandrake! :) m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] How's that for dedication ... A Gentoo tatoo...
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Re: [gentoo-user] How's that for dedication ... A Gentoo tatoo...
i think i saw that in the gwn... impressive... but... he'll have a difficult time if he changes distro.. :P O/H Daevid Vincent έγραψε: http://gallery.shinmashii.net/main.php?g2_itemId=4179 (BTW, that's not ME, that's an ex-coworker) ÐÆ5ÏÐ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How's that for dedication ... A Gentoo tatoo...
On 4/16/07, Stratos Psomadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think i saw that in the gwn... impressive... but... he'll have a difficult time if he changes distro.. :P O/H Daevid Vincent έγραψε: http://gallery.shinmashii.net/main.php?g2_itemId=4179 (BTW, that's not ME, that's an ex-coworker) ÐÆ5ÏÐ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Nice, but he should've waited until it was healed to take a finished picture. -- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-user] create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
Hello, On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:53:54PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Michal 'vorner' Vaner, Now you can mount /var remotely (portage compiles there and needs lots of space) - this way you need only the space for installed programs, not compiling and compile on other machine using distcc. portage can use any directory you like for its workspace, you don't have to remote mount /var to achieve this. You could mount /var/tmp over NFS, but setting PORTAGE_TMPDIR is less kludgy. Well, seems on the same level for me, but that is only personal preference. But the point with this one is - PORTAGE_TMPDIR (besides, isn't it PORTAGE_WORKDIR?) is gentoo specific, but you can do the mounting just anywhere. Anyway, the point is probably clear… With regards -- Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn Michal 'vorner' Vaner pgpoXkeZBR1ry.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Packet Shaping
Well, the problem is that limiting inbound traffic is absolutely unreliable. From the numbers given, I guess you're on DSL, right? (Just like me, BTW.) If you were on cable, well, there's not a lot you can do since the media is unreliable w/ regard to your share of it. But I think you're talking about stable bandwith. If you're not lucky, all those peers out there flood your inbound traffic line. You can't shape this on your side, it's absolutely an issue to be resolved on the DSLAM your DSL modem connects to. OTOH, those routers usually don't do very sophisticated packet inspection... So it's all about cutting expensive connections down very early. This is the even more true for applications that are somewhat hasty in changing their requested and incoming traffic. So first try cutting down the maximum even more. Take a few measures and see what is actually saturated: upstream or downstream. If it's in fact neither, it's a configuration issue. It's actually my upload rate that's difficult to limit. That's not inbound traffic right? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:01:24 +0200, Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Now you can mount /var remotely (portage compiles there and needs lots of space) - this way you need only the space for installed programs, not compiling and compile on other machine using distcc. portage can use any directory you like for its workspace, you don't have to remote mount /var to achieve this. You could mount /var/tmp over NFS, but setting PORTAGE_TMPDIR is less kludgy. Well, seems on the same level for me, but that is only personal preference. It's not the same at all. you are advocating mounting the whole of /var on a networked filesystem, which could affect the performance of the system as a whole. But the point with this one is - PORTAGE_TMPDIR (besides, isn't it PORTAGE_WORKDIR?) No, it's PORTAGE_TMPDIR, check your make.conf. is gentoo specific, but you can do the mounting just anywhere. The last time I looked, portage compiles were Gentoo-specific too. If you want to change where portage uses for its workspace, it is much safer to use the provided configuration settings than move the whole of a system-critical directory to an unreliable medium. -- Neil Bothwick User-friendly: (adj.) trivialized, slow, incapable, and boring. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
b.n. wrote: Dale ha scritto: Me, I'd go back to Mandrake until a new release comes out. As a former Mandraker: for $DEITY's sake, not Mandrake! Not after Gentoo. Debian, Kubuntu, even Slack...but not Mandrake! :) m. Well, allow me to clarify a bit. I wouldn't want you to have a heart attack and die on us. ;-) I would only do that until I could get a new CD or could get access to DSL or something faster than what I have now. I have a 26K connection right now. Let's not discuss OOo. O_O It would be a last resort too. I'm not a Mandriva lover either. I do have a 10.0 set of CDs though. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 12:07 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? well, since so many people replied, why not?... I'm 28 (according to the histogram there are only 2 of us :) and using Linux since Redhat 6.something (1997 ?) that I bought on the cover of a magazine. I started tinkering with computers (ie. games :) on the Commodore 64 when around 10, and later a Vic-20 (both hand-me-downs from generous uncles). Starting hacking (ie. messing around) with the software on a 486 DX 2/66 when I was 15, and quickly borked windows, for which my mum took it back to the store before I could fix it ;) No more Duke Nukem! Had a bit of a hiatus until an Apple IIe in 95, then my first computer - a 300MHz Celeron with 8Mb video card, and a 3 Gb HD (more of anything than I could ever need) in 97 (?). It still runs (linux of course). This has had redhat, fedora, (debian never got over it's cyclic dependency problems). After that was gentoo, since about... oh I don't know, back when there were less than 60,000 files in an `emerge sync` :) more than 3 years ago anyway. Also tried out some *BSD because I had to at work, but never liked it (I promise I didn't inhale :) And I still know nothing! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au To every Ph.D. there is an equal and opposite Ph.D. -- B. Duggan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Monday 16 April 2007 07:02:09 pm Dale wrote: b.n. wrote: Dale ha scritto: Me, I'd go back to Mandrake until a new release comes out. As a former Mandraker: for $DEITY's sake, not Mandrake! Not after Gentoo. Debian, Kubuntu, even Slack...but not Mandrake! :) m. Well, allow me to clarify a bit. I wouldn't want you to have a heart attack and die on us. ;-) I would only do that until I could get a new CD or could get access to DSL or something faster than what I have now. I have a 26K connection right now. Let's not discuss OOo. O_O Hi Dale... Umm... where do you live? I'm in New Jersey... If you are state side, I'm willing to burn a few Gentoo cd's or dvd's for you if you wish. Won't cost you a dime. Just email me if you are interested. -- Jerry McBride -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
Hello, I just want to know another method to gain the latest x86 stable branch's update info, nothing more else, what I have heard of I mensioned in the first thread really wasn't the point I wanted to make, so... can all of you ignore of it... Any way, thank you all;p -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:10:27 +0400, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As has been said, the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, although it seems worth repeating that it _does_ have to support the same architecture. ... http://www.kernel-of-truth.net/downloads_kOT.html I agree that the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, but I believe that it should be always possible to use it for installation, even when workarounds are available. The only argument that explains why it is currently not the fact is the inability to sustain quarterly release schedule. It looks like everybody, me too, agrees that it is a very good reason to switch to semi-annual releases, but please note that the very fact that quarterly releases were started is a proof that they are desirable. I guess the problem here is that the Gentoo Minimal Installation CD release is linked to the Gentoo Installer LiveCD release and to the Gentoo Reference Platform release. If the minimal CD is released quarterly or, better, whenever new hardware hits the shelves, the experience of new Gentoo users will be better. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Jerry McBride wrote: Hi Dale... Umm... where do you live? I'm in New Jersey... If you are state side, I'm willing to burn a few Gentoo cd's or dvd's for you if you wish. Won't cost you a dime. Just email me if you are interested. -- Jerry McBride Well, everything is good to go over here right now. My hard drives are only about 3 years old. I do have a backup of portage and a snapshot on some CDs. I do this when a big upgrade like KDE comes out. I also have a UPS connected and a surge protector as well. Short of me spilling tea in my rig I should be OK. I'm not going to say I am completely safe though. If I say that, I will find a hole in my plan. :-( I do see the OPs point though. If I had to install and had no back-ups at all, it would be tough. I have the latest CD, 2006.1 I think, that is available but look at all the updates that have come out since then. It would be a huge download and would take me over a week, if not longer. Plus, I can't connect to the net from the CD. As to where I live, I live about half way between Columbus and West Point MS. I'm almost to the very end of the phone line and the big telephone box is about 20 years old. As a matter fact, when they last replaced that box, we got off of party lines. How's that for old? They were due to replace the box a couple years ago but hurricane Dennis and Katrina hit the coast and all the phone people went south, as a geographical direction, not a figure of speech. That would have got us DSL out here and I would have been on it with both feet, firmly. I do plan to get a DVD burner soon. If I do that, I plan to do complete backups then, the whole thing, not just a snapshot and distfiles. If you follow the myspace link below, you may understand why I have not done so already. My blog entries get a lot of reads. Divorces can be nasty. May have a new blog entry in the next few days, waiting on the call from a lawyer. Thanks for the offer. If something did happen, I do have a plan. I have not tested it but I certainly hope it will work if I have to test it. May keep that offer in mind though. Dale make a note of the email address I would gladly pay the costs of the media and mailing at least. Paypal comes to mind to take care of that. ;-) Jeez, I hadn't had a offer to help like that in a while. I thought I was the only one that would do something like that. Your name is familiar too. Where I know you from is unclear but we have spoke before, some where. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Andrey Gerasimenko wrote: I agree that the installation CD does not need to be specifically a Gentoo cd, but I believe that it should be always possible to use it for installation, even when workarounds are available. The only argument that explains why it is currently not the fact is the inability to sustain quarterly release schedule. It looks like everybody, me too, agrees that it is a very good reason to switch to semi-annual releases, but please note that the very fact that quarterly releases were started is a proof that they are desirable. I guess the problem here is that the Gentoo Minimal Installation CD release is linked to the Gentoo Installer LiveCD release and to the Gentoo Reference Platform release. If the minimal CD is released quarterly or, better, whenever new hardware hits the shelves, the experience of new Gentoo users will be better. --Andrei Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Even though I would like to see semi-annual releases, I can also understand the effort that has to go into making it happen. You would have to catch everything just right to make it worthwhile. Example, it is time for a new release and gcc is almost ready to be marked stable. Do you do the release anyway or wait until gcc is stable? What if it is not as stable as people think and it is already released before that is found out? That would not be good for Gentoo either. Add in that some new piece of hardware is coming out and the drivers are being worked on but not yet finished. Then what? What if the packages such as gcc, KDE, Gnome and other important ones and the newer hardware drivers never sync up exactly right? Who would decide what is more important, hardware drivers or packages? I can see this from both sides. Having a reasonably up to date install CD would be nice but it would take some effort and planning to get it there. I suspect the new Proctors would be all over Gentoo-dev. LOL That could turn into a really long discussion and it would never end really. By the time one is released it would be time to start planning the next and may even overlap a lot too. I'm glad I'm a lowly user and not a dev. :-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
