Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstall all packages needed by vim

2008-05-09 Thread Matthias Fechner
Hi Justin, Justin schrieb: Try doing what the ebuild is telling you. Re-emerge perl and libperl with the same USE FLAGS that is what I tried to say, but maybe two commands make it more clear: equery u libperl [ Found these USE variables for sys-devel/libperl-5.8.8-r1 ] U I + + berkdb :

[gentoo-user] xorg + synaptics|wacom

2008-05-09 Thread Martin Gysel
Hi Hi have a laptop with synaptics touchpad and wacom tablet. Everything used to work properly but recently I discovered that the synaptic specific functions and the tablet doesn't work any more. I start my xserver over /etc/init.d/xdm (rc). Now I surprisingly detected both works if I start

Re: [gentoo-user] New install boots but grub just says: grub

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:17:47 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What would cause grub to sit there and wait for me to type in the stuff that's in grub.conf anyway? You probably have an error in grub.conf/menu.lst, or you have both and GRUB is looking at the one you don't want it to (I think menu.lst

Re: [gentoo-user] New install boots but grub just says: grub

2008-05-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:17:47 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What would cause grub to sit there and wait for me to type in the stuff that's in grub.conf anyway? You probably have an error in grub.conf/menu.lst, or you have both

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Reading, editing and then burning a new ISO image using Gentoo

2008-05-09 Thread Crayon Shin Chan
On Friday 09 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Is there a way for me to read the bootable ISO image into a directory on my machine 2) Edit the files 3) Make a new ISO image from the directory (mkisofs?) This seems 'relatively' straight forward. I haven't built it yet but I found isomaster

Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstall all packages needed by vim

2008-05-09 Thread Fernando Antunes
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Matthias Fechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I tried today to build vim but it fails. Now I want to make sure all packages needed by vim are installed correctly. To do this I decided to reinstall all packages need be vim. I checked the man page of emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Reading, editing and then burning a new ISO image using Gentoo

2008-05-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Crayon Shin Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 May 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Is there a way for me to read the bootable ISO image into a directory on my machine 2) Edit the files 3) Make a new ISO image from the directory (mkisofs?) This seems 'relatively' straight

Re: [gentoo-user] portage foomatic problem

2008-05-09 Thread alain . didierjean
Selon Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 08 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isba alain # emerge -uD world returns the following: Calculating world dependencies / !!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been !!! pulled into the dependency graph:

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Abraham Gyorgy
If you want open source antivirus, you can only use ClamAV. Anyway there are a number of free or commercial antivirus solutions for Linux. (I don't know if any of these supports Thunderbird). http://www.linux.com/articles/22899 This is a good article about antivirus solutions. You can use ClamAV

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Tony Caudel: I am currently using the clamv anti-virus program. I was wondering if there is a better one for Gentoo, especially one that integrates well with Thunderbird. That has been my one disappointment with clamav. Not necessarily clamav's fault

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag, 9. Mai 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Tony Caudel: I am currently using the clamv anti-virus program. I was wondering if there is a better one for Gentoo, especially one that integrates well with Thunderbird. That has been my one disappointment

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Volker Armin Hemmann: On Freitag, 9. Mai 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Tony Caudel: I am currently using the clamv anti-virus program. I was wondering if there is a better one for Gentoo, especially one that integrates

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:42:28 +0200, Abraham Gyorgy wrote: This is a good article about antivirus solutions. You can use ClamAV along with Sylpheed(Claws) because it has integration for it. Which? Sylpheed or Claws? They are now separate programs. Claws Mail no longer has a clamav plugin because

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Tony Caudel: I am currently using the clamv anti-virus program. I was wondering if there is a better one for Gentoo, especially one that integrates well with Thunderbird. That has been my one disappointment

Re: [gentoo-user] portage foomatic problem

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calculating world dependencies - emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =net-print/foomatic-db-ppds-20060601. (dependency required by net-print/foomatic-3.0.20060601 [installed]) !!! Problem resolving dependencies for net-print/foomatic

Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

2008-05-09 Thread Frank Gruellich
* Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. May 08: In fact, gmail recognizes it as a mailing-list (even offering special commands, like filtering email from the list). Wow, that new and shiny Ajax-Web3.0-Gigabyte-buzzword gmail stuff does the same as my 20 years old mutt now? SCNR. Kind regards,

[gentoo-user] 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
I recently tried switching from linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r9 to linux-2.6.24-gentoo-r7. The latter is configured as indentically as possible to the former, but when I run X under the 2.6.24 kernel, one of my two displays blinks off every 10-20 seconds (it's off for about 1 second, then comes back on).

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: To a backup device? Why? Don't Windows users need to backup? No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Why? Different OS. You could equally be saying that Linux users

[gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, sharing storage space makes a lot of sense. No, it does not· Not for such important and specialized things as backups. For general usage: Yes, it makes a whole lot of sense. But we're not talking general usage here. Michael --

Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstall all packages needed by vim

2008-05-09 Thread Matthias Fechner
Hi Abraham, [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: emerge --emptytree vim thanks for that. It completed now successfully and vim is installed fine :) Best regards, Matthias -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, sharing storage space makes a lot of sense. No, it does not· Not for such important and specialized things as backups. For general usage: Yes, it makes a

Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

2008-05-09 Thread Mark Shields
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Frank Gruellich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. May 08: In fact, gmail recognizes it as a mailing-list (even offering special commands, like filtering email from the list). Wow, that new and shiny

Re: [gentoo-user] portage foomatic problem: SOLVED

2008-05-09 Thread alain . didierjean
Selon Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip That version of foomatic is no longer in portage but you have it installed and it DEPENDS on something that is also not in portage. Apparently, you ran emerge --sync then this happened. It does happen sometimes. So: emerge foomatic first,

[gentoo-user] Re: installation cd for P1 P2

2008-05-09 Thread James
Ian Hilt ian.hilt at gmail.com writes: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=2 So you are saying (implying) that i586 and k6 machines can use the 2008.0.beta2 minimum CD for installation? What about all of those old drivers that are often removed from the newer

Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, Mark Shields wrote: That said, I've had a problem every now and then where gmail would tag an e-mail from a mailing list as spam, but it's never happened with gentoo-user; just was a wordpress-hackers mailing list e-mail, and only a few. Very occasionally, posts from

Re: [gentoo-user] portage foomatic problem: SOLVED

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the help, I was lost as I didn't realize that emerge was trying to update a meta-package (foomatic) no more in portage... Long bitter hard experience has shown me that if I get A blocks B messages, I usually have to: eix A eix B read

[gentoo-user] Fun with Foo (matic) ?

2008-05-09 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
My printer stopped working yesterday (no ppds?), so I upgraded CUPS and hplip to the latest masked versions and everything worked fine. Today did an emerge -puDv world, and got this: [ebuild UD] net-print/foomatic-db-ppds-3.0.20060720 [20060720] 12,056 kB Any help would be appreciated

[gentoo-user] Re: Fun with Foo (matic) ?

2008-05-09 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: My printer stopped working yesterday (no ppds?), so I upgraded CUPS and hplip to the latest masked versions and everything worked fine. Today did an emerge -puDv world, and got this: [ebuild UD] net-print/foomatic-db-ppds-3.0.20060720 [20060720] 12,056 kB Any help

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome CD automount fails without error

2008-05-09 Thread Wolf Canis
Hello, I just experienced the same problem. Could you solve your problem? If so could you post the solution? Some data of mine: I'm in the groups: groups=10(wheel),11(floppy),18(audio),19(cdrom),27(video),35(games),85(usb),100(users),250(portage),443(plugdev),1000(rh),1001(wireshark) CD/DVD

Re: [gentoo-user] Fun with Foo (matic) ?

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: My printer stopped working yesterday (no ppds?), so I upgraded CUPS and hplip to the latest masked versions and everything worked fine. Today did an emerge -puDv world, and got this: [ebuild UD] net-print/foomatic-db-ppds-3.0.20060720

[gentoo-user] Re: Fun with Foo (matic) ?

2008-05-09 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 09 May 2008, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: My printer stopped working yesterday (no ppds?), so I upgraded CUPS and hplip to the latest masked versions and everything worked fine. Today did an emerge -puDv world, and got this: [ebuild UD]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fun with Foo (matic) ?

2008-05-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: See other thread on this very subject yesterday and today for details: emerge -avC all foomatic ebuilds emerge -av  all foomatic ebuilds Yes; that worked. Thank you very much for patiently answering this question -- sigh -- again! (Wish I

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Tony Caudel
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, how many Linux viruses exist out there? Usually these Linux based anti virus progs only make sense on mail servers that receive mail for Windows users. Or am I completely wrong here? On the other hand, plenty of

[gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Travis Osterman
I'm performing a gentoo installation and have proceeding without problem until I went to reboot. I am greeted with the grub prompt and when issuing $configfile /boot/grub/grub.confthe boot process continues without issue. The grub-install command seemed to work correctly, and I've been

[gentoo-user] df showing rootfs

2008-05-09 Thread Willie Wong
Having just upgraded to baselayout2 and openrc, I found that when I run df, I get Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 8008068 6827336 1180732 86% / /dev/root 8008068 6827336 1180732 86% / udev 10240

Re: [gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Travis Osterman writes: I'm performing a gentoo installation and have proceeding without problem until I went to reboot. I am greeted with the grub prompt and when issuing $configfile /boot/grub/grub.confthe boot process continues without issue. The grub-install command seemed to work

Re: [gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Travis Osterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm performing a gentoo installation and have proceeding without problem until I went to reboot. I am greeted with the grub prompt and when issuing $configfile /boot/grub/grub.confthe boot process continues without

SOLVED: [gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Travis Osterman
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Travis Osterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm performing a gentoo installation and have proceeding without problem until I went to reboot. I am greeted with the grub prompt and when issuing

Re: [gentoo-user] Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 14:25 -0500, Tony Caudel wrote: On the other hand, plenty of us then forward this mail to our windoze-using friends who would be very unhappy if we infected them. Then let them get the anti-virus software. -a -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 9 May 2008 21:50:09 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Check for /boot/grub/menu.lst, this is an alternate (and maybe empty) config file which grub seems to prefer over grub.conf. menu.lst has been the preferred config file for some years, it seem that GRUB is a little more strict about this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation cd for P1 P2

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 9 May 2008 15:07:38 + (UTC), James wrote: So you are saying (implying) that i586 and k6 machines can use the 2008.0.beta2 minimum CD for installation? What about all of those old drivers that are often removed from the newer minimal CDs? This can lead to many false starts on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 9 May 2008 10:09:50 -0400, Mark Shields wrote: he wasn't whipping out his dick like some elitist asshole That's got to be one of the most eye-watering mixed metaphors ever. -- Neil Bothwick Data to Picard: 'No, Captain, I do NOT run WINDOWS!' signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:38:51 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote: No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines. Why? Different OS. So. We can use the same web pages, read the same email, why not share hardware? My partner has to use Windows for work, are you saying we are

Re: [gentoo-user] booting to grub prompt, but config works

2008-05-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008 21:50:09 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Check for /boot/grub/menu.lst, this is an alternate (and maybe empty) config file which grub seems to prefer over grub.conf. menu.lst has been the preferred config

[gentoo-user] [wildly OT]advice for a wireless antenna?

2008-05-09 Thread brullo nulla
Hi, I have a Gentoo-powered Macbook. I would like to improve its wireless receiver capabilities, to be able to connect to weak wireless networks for example in my laboratory (I would have legal access to the university network, but in my building the signal is extremly weak... yes, welcome to

[gentoo-user] Re: [wildly OT]advice for a wireless antenna?

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-09, brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a Gentoo-powered Macbook. I would like to improve its wireless receiver capabilities, to be able to connect to weak wireless networks for example in my laboratory (I would have legal access to the university network, but in my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [wildly OT]advice for a wireless antenna?

2008-05-09 Thread brullo nulla
I've had very good luck with home-made biquad reflectors: http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/ http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm I've build both a single and a double biquad using methods similar to the first page. I use thin-walled brass tubing instead of copper. Thanks, I'll

[gentoo-user] Home page slowness

2008-05-09 Thread davecode
Hi, We plan to eval Gentoo. We await 2008 final. The comment is, Gentoo home page gives no clue about status. Convincing people that Gentoo is alive becomes tricky because the final is months late and little motion on the home page. That's about all most people inspect. So bottom line,

Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 1:34pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm running nvidia-drivers 169.09-r1 with a NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 290 (G86GL), connected via DVI to dual Samsung 204B displays running at 1600x1200. Did you rebuild the nvidia-drivers module? -- Ian Hilt ian.hilt (at) gmail.com GnuPG

[gentoo-user] Re: [wildly OT]advice for a wireless antenna?

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-09, brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the USB wireless adapter (I don't think I can connect the antenna to my laptop directly), not the passphrase key... Ah. I've got a Hawking HWUG1 USB WiFi adapter that works fine with Gentoo (I had to download driver source

Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome CD automount fails without error

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 5:53pm +0200, Wolf Canis wrote: Hello, I just experienced the same problem. Could you solve your problem? If so could you post the solution? Some data of mine: I'm in the groups:

[gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-09, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 1:34pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm running nvidia-drivers 169.09-r1 with a NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 290 (G86GL), connected via DVI to dual Samsung 204B displays running at 1600x1200. Did you rebuild the nvidia-drivers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installation cd for P1 P2

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 3:07pm -, James wrote: Ian Hilt ian.hilt at gmail.com writes: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=2 So you are saying (implying) that i586 and k6 machines can use the 2008.0.beta2 minimum CD for installation? What about all of those

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Grant Edwards writes: On 2008-05-09, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you rebuild the nvidia-drivers module? Yes. The exact same version of nvidia-drivers was being used for both kernels. Any other changes with things that could possibly influence the building of the drivers, like X

[gentoo-user] Re: Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o
Tony Caudel wrote: I am currently using the clamv anti-virus program. I was wondering if there is a better one for Gentoo, especially one that integrates well with Thunderbird. That has been my one disappointment with clamav. Not necessarily clamav's fault since T/B maintains its emails in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 10:51pm +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be parochial about the origin of the data it stores. hmmm ... parochial #include wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn main() { printf(%s, parochial); } $ gcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 11:33pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-05-09, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 1:34pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm running nvidia-drivers 169.09-r1 with a NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 290 (G86GL), connected via DVI to dual Samsung 204B displays

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best anti-virus

2008-05-09 Thread forgottenwizard
On 20:13 Fri 09 May , 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: I am extremely pleased with Antivir (aka Avira) and its realtime LKM, Dazuko! 1. The Antivir database and heuristics contain dozens of Linux-specific rootkits and Trojans. These in addition to Windows sigs. FWICT, the only freeware

[gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-10, Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards writes: On 2008-05-09, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you rebuild the nvidia-drivers module? Yes. The exact same version of nvidia-drivers was being used for both kernels. Any other changes with things that could

[gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
In gmane.linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 11:33pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-05-09, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 1:34pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm running nvidia-drivers 169.09-r1 with a NVIDIA GPU Quadro NVS 290 (G86GL), connected

[gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2008-05-10, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt
On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 1:34pm -, Grant Edwards wrote: I recently tried switching from linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r9 to linux-2.6.24-gentoo-r7. The latter is configured as indentically as possible to the former, but when I run X under the 2.6.24 kernel, one of my two displays blinks off every 10-20

[gentoo-user] Re: 2.6.23-gentoo-r7 causes blinking X display

2008-05-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-05-10, Ian Hilt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the output of dmesg while this is happening? Good question. I looked in /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xwhatever. I don't think I looked at the output of dmesg. I'll give that a try tomorrow. -- Grant Edwards grante