Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:13:41 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: They got it right for being open to OSS, but they got it wrong with the word cloud... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman Aren't they talking about a private cloud rather than a public one like Google's? That would make sense if it were not for our civil service's inability to keep data secure even when on physical media. -- Neil Bothwick Minds are like parachutes; they only function when fully open. * Sir James Dewar signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On 29 Jan 2010, at 05:43, Iain Buchanan wrote: They got it right for being open to OSS, but they got it wrong with the word cloud... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman Seems like Stallman's objections don't apply because the proposal is that they own their own cloud. I.E. the use of the word cloud is just buzzwordology to gain approval acceptance. One could weigh the pros cons of using regional data centres for this, versus a server room in the basement of the individual government buildings in Swansea (DVLA), Bristol (TV licensing) wherever, but I just feel too pessimistic about this today to feel it's worth it. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] krita - missing install target (STRANGE)
Hi, I've just emerged app-office/krita on an AMD64 machine without problems. But on an older i686 machine it fails strangely Install krita-2.1.0 into /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ category app-office Working in BUILD_DIR: /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build make -j1 install DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. And, indeed, the Makefile in /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build doesn't contain an install target. What might be the reason? (app-office/krita is cmake driven but re-emerging cmake didn't help.) Many thanks for a suggestion on what to try, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] dlna Gentoo
On Thursday 28 January 2010 16:34:49 James wrote: What I do not want to do is purchase the device to discover that it only works with windows. Can't you specify as a condition of the contract that it must not require the use of any particular brand of software to operate? -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:00 +, Stroller wrote: On 29 Jan 2010, at 05:43, Iain Buchanan wrote: They got it right for being open to OSS, but they got it wrong with the word cloud... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman Seems like Stallman's objections don't apply because the proposal is that they own their own cloud. I don't think his objections are just related to public vs private. As Neil said, there's the security problem to begin with, where one large government data centre has more data to compromise that a small one... I.E. the use of the word cloud is just buzzwordology to gain approval acceptance. ... Another problem is the use of the word cloud when already we don't know exactly what they mean by it (it sounds like a manager buzz word to me) so they're going to have trouble defining it to themselves, and other govt departments. But the principle still remains that they're handing over locally served (ie maybe a server, maybe a desktop) data to a central cloud that will put its own limits on security, size, etc. Not to mention the separation of distance. No matter how good your network link is, it's not as good as your SATA interface! And at the worst of times you may loose not only your data, but your ability to create new data! One could weigh the pros cons of using regional data centres for this, versus a server room in the basement of the individual government buildings in Swansea (DVLA), Bristol (TV licensing) wherever, but I just feel too pessimistic about this today to feel it's worth it. I'm all for data centres, since they can put massive CPU and storage volumes at the other end of the network link for you to work with (backups, web servers, etc) but it becomes very problematic when you use a web browser to write an office document. Stroller. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I didn't like the play, but I saw it under adverse conditions. The curtain was up.
Re: [gentoo-user] dlna Gentoo
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 13:35 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 28 January 2010 16:34:49 James wrote: What I do not want to do is purchase the device to discover that it only works with windows. Can't you specify as a condition of the contract that it must not require the use of any particular brand of software to operate? what contract? Sorry buddy, that's just how they make 'em. Take it up with the manufacturer is what I'd expect to hear. Either that or You want to do what? What's Linux? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Turn on, tune up, rock out. -- Billy Gibbons
[gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
Hi. So NetworkManager was giving me lots of debugging output. Having a look on Google shows it doesn't have log levels, so my only option (apart from turning it off) was to redirect its log output to a separate file. It's growing quickly (remind me to set up logrotate!) After I've removed NetworkManager from /var/log/messages, I'm left with: Jan 29 23:45:59 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:05 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:11 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:17 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:23 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:29 orpheus .: and so on every 6 seconds. I think the . is supposed to be the program name, and obviously after the : comes the message . Every message seems to exactly correspond to this NetworkManager message: Jan 29 23:48:17 orpheus NetworkManager: WARN killswitch_getpower_reply(): Error getting killswitch power: Method GetPower with signature on interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch doesn't exist Jan 29 23:48:17 orpheus NetworkManager: WARN killswitch_getpower_reply(): Error getting killswitch power: dellWirelessCtl (/usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl) not available or executable. Note the reference to /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl (which really doesn't exist!) If I symlink /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl to /bin/false, all the log messages stop and the last one says: Jan 29 23:49:35 orpheus NetworkManager: info Wireless now disabled by radio killswitch If I leave the symlink there, NetworkManager won't bring up wireless, so it's a useless hack. I don't really care about any killswitch operation, but I'm interested in why I'm getting a . message. NetworkManager bug or misconfiguration error? TIA, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I do not know myself and God forbid that I should. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
[gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: what contract? Sorry buddy, that's just how they make 'em. Take it up with the manufacturer is what I'd expect to hear. Either that or You want to do what? What's Linux? Exactly what I'm afraid. If I have to roll my own, I guess I'll just by the version( Yamaha RX-V1900) without ethernet and load up a Gentoo PC with sound cards that splice from the mixer to all of the components and amplifiers. Any suggestion on rigging up that way? Any diagrams of home studio/audio setups that I could look at would be keen. I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? James
Re: [gentoo-user] dlna Gentoo
On Friday 29 January 2010 14:12:10 Iain Buchanan wrote: what contract? I don't know how it is where you are, but in the UK, as I understand it, every sale is deemed to embody an implied contract* between buyer and seller. Either party is always free to specify whatever conditions he likes prior to the sale, and the other can accept them or not. Sorry buddy, that's just how they make 'em. Take it up with the manufacturer is what I'd expect to hear. Perhaps. Depends how badly they want the business, I suppose. Either that or You want to do what? What's Linux? Who mentioned intended use, or Linux? Just stipulate that the goods must not require any particular software to operate. Simple - assuming that your legal system works similarly enough to ours, of course. It was just a suggestion, anyway. Take it or leave it. :-) * Apart from the ones with specific contracts, naturally. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] mysterious syslog message .
On Friday 29 January 2010 16:26:42 Iain Buchanan wrote: Hi. So NetworkManager was giving me lots of debugging output. Having a look on Google shows it doesn't have log levels, so my only option (apart from turning it off) was to redirect its log output to a separate file. It's growing quickly (remind me to set up logrotate!) After I've removed NetworkManager from /var/log/messages, I'm left with: Jan 29 23:45:59 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:05 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:11 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:17 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:23 orpheus .: Jan 29 23:46:29 orpheus .: and so on every 6 seconds. I think the . is supposed to be the program name, and obviously after the : comes the message . Every message seems to exactly correspond to this NetworkManager message: Jan 29 23:48:17 orpheus NetworkManager: WARN killswitch_getpower_reply(): Error getting killswitch power: Method GetPower with signature on interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch doesn't exist Jan 29 23:48:17 orpheus NetworkManager: WARN killswitch_getpower_reply(): Error getting killswitch power: dellWirelessCtl (/usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl) not available or executable. Note the reference to /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl (which really doesn't exist!) If I symlink /usr/bin/dellWirelessCtl to /bin/false, all the log messages stop and the last one says: Jan 29 23:49:35 orpheus NetworkManager: info Wireless now disabled by radio killswitch If I leave the symlink there, NetworkManager won't bring up wireless, so it's a useless hack. I don't really care about any killswitch operation, but I'm interested in why I'm getting a . message. NetworkManager bug or misconfiguration error? Run syslog-ng with the -d switch to enable it's debug output (normally to messages), or use -dd to get even more debug output. Beware, this adds up real quick, so don't run it for long like that. The output may give you more of a clue as to what syslog-ng thinks the incoming messages are. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] krita - missing install target (STRANGE)
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, I've just emerged app-office/krita on an AMD64 machine without problems. But on an older i686 machine it fails strangely Install krita-2.1.0 into /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ category app-office Working in BUILD_DIR: /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build make -j1 install DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. And, indeed, the Makefile in /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build doesn't contain an install target. What might be the reason? (app-office/krita is cmake driven but re-emerging cmake didn't help.) Many thanks for a suggestion on what to try, Helmut. Did you upgrade any Qt or KDE packages lately? Try to emerge again sip and PyQt4, run python-updater, and then see if Krita can be emerged.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:14 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I was hoping to avoid this, with an integrated, Gentoo controllable amp/receiver unit. Nobody has found such hardware ? Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? I have no experience myself and don't understand what is the difference between DLNA or UPnP etc, but a google search for dlna linux gives me this chart: http://www.rbgrn.net/content/21-how-to-choose-dlna-media-server-windows-mac-os-x-or-linux
[gentoo-user] gnome keychain
Hello, I have previously used keychain as per the gentoo docs. Once I supplied the SSH passphrase at the console I was able to access other machines without providing a password. I have just started using gnome and am logging in using gdm. When I log in I am not asked for a passphrase. If I start a screen session in an xterm I'm prompted for my passphrase. Then I start a new xterm and use it to ssh to another machine and a dialogue opens asking for the passphrase. I would like to know how to configure gdm/gnome to ask for the passprhase once, at login so that I don't have to enter it multiple times. Thanks, Roger
Re: [gentoo-user] krita - missing install target (STRANGE)
On 29 Jan, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, I've just emerged app-office/krita on an AMD64 machine without problems. But on an older i686 machine it fails strangely Install krita-2.1.0 into /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ category app-office Working in BUILD_DIR: /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build make -j1 install DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/image/ make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. And, indeed, the Makefile in /var/tmp/portage/app-office/krita-2.1.0/work/krita-2.1.0_build doesn't contain an install target. What might be the reason? (app-office/krita is cmake driven but re-emerging cmake didn't help.) Many thanks for a suggestion on what to try, Helmut. Did you upgrade any Qt or KDE packages lately? Try to emerge again sip and PyQt4, run python-updater, and then see if Krita can be emerged. Yes, I did update both. Many thanks for the hint, Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
[gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
Peter Humphrey peter at humphrey.ukfsn.org writes: what contract? It was just a suggestion, anyway. Take it or leave it. Here in the US, it's 'buyer beware'. I could return it, but since I was going to purchase the unit mail-order that's problematic. I guess I'll just take a laptop and find a store that sells a prospective unit and see what firefox can do over ethernet. Active 'X controls and such are often embedded in the products embedded web server and that sort of thing or any proprietary issues, will preclude Gentoo from either working or enjoying the full set of control features. If this is the case, I'm not spending the extra money. But since I'm spending new money, then it would be nice to see a robust, Open Source friendly at least, solution before I pay extra for an ethernet interface on an Integrated AV media server. Field testing looks like my only recourse as these sort of details are sparsely documented, to say the least thx to all that replied. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot print pdf documents from KDE4
On Friday 29 January 2010 05:28:25 you wrote: On Thursday 28 January 2010 22:33:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:55:02 +, Mick wrote: As the title says. I can print text files and html, but I cannot print pdf. BTW I can print an html page from Konqueror to a pdf file, but then can't print that file. Have you come across this problem in KDE4? Can you view the PDF in Okular? If not, you probably need to rebuild poppler with USE=lcms. Now here's a thing, I can view it in Okular, but nothing is shown in the Okular print viewer ... Thanks for the hint I'll check it out when I get to the machine next time. I checked another machine (of a similar build) which does not seem to have app-text/poppler emerged (only app-text/poppler-data, app-text/poppler-utils, dev-libs/poppler, dev-libs/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler, virtual/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler-utils). This machine also does not show anything in Print Preview (but I haven't tried printing from it to be able to compare). Do I need to emerge app-text/poppler to be able to print pdf files? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Friday 29 January 2010 14:09:37 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:00 +, Stroller wrote: On 29 Jan 2010, at 05:43, Iain Buchanan wrote: They got it right for being open to OSS, but they got it wrong with the word cloud... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richar d.stallman Seems like Stallman's objections don't apply because the proposal is that they own their own cloud. I don't think his objections are just related to public vs private. As Neil said, there's the security problem to begin with, where one large government data centre has more data to compromise that a small one... I.E. the use of the word cloud is just buzzwordology to gain approval acceptance. ... Another problem is the use of the word cloud when already we don't know exactly what they mean by it (it sounds like a manager buzz word to me) so they're going to have trouble defining it to themselves, and other govt departments. But the principle still remains that they're handing over locally served (ie maybe a server, maybe a desktop) data to a central cloud that will put its own limits on security, size, etc. Not to mention the separation of distance. No matter how good your network link is, it's not as good as your SATA interface! And at the worst of times you may loose not only your data, but your ability to create new data! One could weigh the pros cons of using regional data centres for this, versus a server room in the basement of the individual government buildings in Swansea (DVLA), Bristol (TV licensing) wherever, but I just feel too pessimistic about this today to feel it's worth it. I'm all for data centres, since they can put massive CPU and storage volumes at the other end of the network link for you to work with (backups, web servers, etc) but it becomes very problematic when you use a web browser to write an office document. I think they are thinking along the lines of Citrix XenApps and thin client (e.g. HP running Neoware-RHL) on the desktops. This is what is being tried out currently in a number of offices/buildings. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:39:37 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: I don't think his objections are just related to public vs private. As Neil said, there's the security problem to begin with, where one large government data centre has more data to compromise that a small one... On the other hand, centralised storage means you shouldn't get idiots posting out CDs with millions of people's bank account details. There again, if the admins are lax enough to allow people to do this, and people are daft enough to do it, they would have real trouble understanding the concept of central storage :( -- Neil Bothwick First Law of Laboratory Work: Hot glass looks exactly the same as cold glass. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot print pdf documents from KDE4
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:19:46 +, Mick wrote: I checked another machine (of a similar build) which does not seem to have app-text/poppler emerged (only app-text/poppler-data, app-text/poppler-utils, dev-libs/poppler, dev-libs/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler, virtual/poppler-qt4, virtual/poppler-utils). What arch are you running on these machines? poppler recently moved from dev-libs to app-text on ~arch. This looks like you could be running the stable arch with a number of packages in portage.keywords? -- Neil Bothwick Gigabyte: (n.) more than you can comprehend and less than you'll need. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Friday 29 January 2010 23:59:36 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:39:37 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: I don't think his objections are just related to public vs private. As Neil said, there's the security problem to begin with, where one large government data centre has more data to compromise that a small one... On the other hand, centralised storage means you shouldn't get idiots posting out CDs with millions of people's bank account details. There again, if the admins are lax enough to allow people to do this, and people are daft enough to do it, they would have real trouble understanding the concept of central storage :( You seem to grossly under-estimate the ability of the average idiot. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dlna amp; Gentoo
On 29 Jan 2010, at 15:14, James wrote: ... Surely there is an integrated product that feature embedded linux on a uP and user friendly with browser other than IExploder? The office of CTO posted this to Dell's Linux mailing list today: ... (yes, source code is available, minus any non-open-source components of course). But there are also components which are not open source licensed, for a variety of reasons (strategic choice, license by the authors if not Dell, ... I feel this statement characterises embedded Linux. :( If you want to feel free, may I recommend an Ibiza mix, maybe a little Dave Pearce, on your headphones. :D Or build it yourself. :/ Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: I want to get excited, but I just *know* they're going to mess it up...
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:21:33 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On the other hand, centralised storage means you shouldn't get idiots posting out CDs with millions of people's bank account details. There again, if the admins are lax enough to allow people to do this, and people are daft enough to do it, they would have real trouble understanding the concept of central storage :( You seem to grossly under-estimate the ability of the average idiot. We don't have average idiots in /our/ civil service! -- Neil Bothwick Math and alcohol don't mix. Don't drink and derive. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] kcontrol empty
Hi there! I'm using KDE4, but there are still some kde3.5 apps. I noticed that kmymoney2 does not use the comma as decimal point like we do this in Germany. I was about to file a bug report, but now I think it is correct, because I did my localization settings in KDE4 only. I still have lots of KDe3.5 stuff emerged, like kcontrol, but when I start it, it appears empty. The left panel has no items in it, the Settings menu only allows to configure shortcuts. I remerged it, no change. Any quick idea what to do? It's not important though. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] kcontrol empty
Am Samstag, 30. Januar 2010 schrieb Alex Schuster: Hi there! I'm using KDE4, but there are still some kde3.5 apps. I noticed that kmymoney2 does not use the comma as decimal point like we do this in Germany. I was about to file a bug report, but now I think it is correct, because I did my localization settings in KDE4 only. I still have lots of KDe3.5 stuff emerged, like kcontrol, but when I start it, it appears empty. The left panel has no items in it, the Settings menu only allows to configure shortcuts. I remerged it, no change. Any quick idea what to do? It's not important though. Wonko We’ve had this issue before. You need to run kbuildsycoca in a KDE3 environment to rebuild stuff like file associations and KControl content. If it is run in a KDE4 environment (such as after an emerge of a KDE3 app in a KDE4 console), KDE3 stuff gets borked. It’s the same vice versa, i.e. if you run kbuildsycoca4 in a KDE3 environment, there’ll be stuff missing in KDE4. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Question about RDEPEND
Hi there, a while ago, I emerged virtual/jdk, and prior to it sun-jdk in order to direct manually what the virtual shall pull in. But now, virtual/jdk wants to install dev-java/icedtea as well: ,--[ emerge -tpuvD world ] | Calculating dependencies... done! | [nomerge ] media-tv/tvbrowser-2.7.4 USE=-doc -source -themes | [nomerge ] dev-java/skinlf-6.7 USE=-examples -source | [nomerge ] dev-java/xalan-2.7.1 USE=-doc -source | [nomerge ]virtual/jdk-1.6.0 | [ebuild N] dev-java/icedtea6-bin-1.6.2 USE=X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -source 35,393 kB `-- Even though I understand from the virtual’s ebuild that it needs one and only one of those: RDEPEND=|| ( amd64? ( dev-java/icedtea6-bin ) x86? ( dev-java/icedtea6-bin ) amd64? ( =dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0* ) x86? ( =dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0* ) =dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/hp-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/diablo-jdk-1.6.0* =dev-java/soylatte-jdk-bin-1.0* =dev-java/apple-jdk-bin-1.6.0* =dev-java/winjdk-bin-1.6.0* ) Am I getting something wrong here? Why is it pulling in icedtea? I’m on x86 BTW. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I wish my lawn was emo, so it would cut itself. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
