Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Friday 10 June 2011 08:52:15 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-10 03:52 And another bonus is that there are plenty of funny things we can spell in hexadecimal. ;) While I'm sure I'll tag the C001:D00D address for my workstation, I'm not sure upper management will appreciate me naming some servers DEAD:BEEF or BAD:D06 or A55:401E ... :-P If you don't tell them and, when they do notice, tell them that changing the IPs is not recommended due to possible issues with the installed software, you might get away with that. Although, why reserve those for servers instead of said management? ;) -- Joost
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On 06/09/2011 09:52 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/09/2011 11:18 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: eselect OTOH, is something I always have to run bit by bit to recall the invocation. That's just way too much effort for this here old git Wasn't on this list that I saw the correct procedure for eselect? eselect eselect kernel eselect kernel list eselect kernel set 6 sigh It's so true Never happened to me. I simply enter eselect and then press TAB twice and get a list of every module :-P
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:22, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday 10 June 2011 08:52:15 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-10 03:52 And another bonus is that there are plenty of funny things we can spell in hexadecimal. ;) While I'm sure I'll tag the C001:D00D address for my workstation, I'm not sure upper management will appreciate me naming some servers DEAD:BEEF or BAD:D06 or A55:401E ... :-P If you don't tell them and, when they do notice, tell them that changing the IPs is not recommended due to possible issues with the installed software, you might get away with that. Although, why reserve those for servers instead of said management? ;) There's playing with fire, and there's playing with FIRE. :D Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
[gentoo-user] Gentoo server installation
Hey, I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. So I thought Gentoo might be the OS of choice. Is it suitable for an server or should I look for an other distro? Is there anything in particular that I have to mention at the installation? Thanks in advance, Tom -- sip:3...@perenaster.com sip:3...@perenaster.com sip:3...@perenaster.com sip:3...@perenaster.com sip:3...@perenaster.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo server installation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 17:13, Perenaster perenas...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey, I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. So I thought Gentoo might be the OS of choice. Is it suitable for an server or should I look for an other distro? You know, we have a mailing list dedicated for those using Gentoo as servers : gentoo-server That said... Depends on your definition of 'suitable'. If you're more focused on 'only the things I need and nothing else' a.k.a 'pedal-to-the-metal performance optimized for my system', then the answer is a resounding : YES If you want quick and (relatively) painless ( = fast ) updates, then Gentoo's not really suitable for you. Unless you want to take the time and pains to learn and implement an 'update server' who will perform the binary package creation. (imagine trying emerge --update @world for 100 servers) Is there anything in particular that I have to mention at the installation? Well, just use the hardened stage3, hardened profile, and hardened sources. Oh, and config the kernel manually, of course :-) Thanks in advance, Tom Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo server installation
On Friday 10 June 2011 12:13:22 Perenaster wrote: Hey, I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. So I thought Gentoo might be the OS of choice. Is it suitable for an server or should I look for an other distro? Is there anything in particular that I have to mention at the installation? Thanks in advance, Tom Hi Tom, Gentoo is quite usable as a Server. I use it as such myself. The installation itself is the same wether it's for desktop or server. The only difference is which packages you install once it's running. If you follow the handbook you end up with a working system where you can install the software you need/want. What will be missing, compared to most other distributions, are things like a graphical desktop. For a server, this is not necessary and is also not found on my server. What is usefull to consider is what the server is going to be used for. With this, I mean, to consider if using a hardened profile would be advisable. If yes, it's best to start with that rather then to convert your installation afterwards. And I'm sure others on this list will have plenty of ideas as well. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Friday 10 June 2011 17:08:40 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:22, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday 10 June 2011 08:52:15 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-10 03:52 And another bonus is that there are plenty of funny things we can spell in hexadecimal. ;) While I'm sure I'll tag the C001:D00D address for my workstation, I'm not sure upper management will appreciate me naming some servers DEAD:BEEF or BAD:D06 or A55:401E ... :-P If you don't tell them and, when they do notice, tell them that changing the IPs is not recommended due to possible issues with the installed software, you might get away with that. Although, why reserve those for servers instead of said management? ;) There's playing with fire, and there's playing with FIRE. :D Considering I regularly play with Nitro mixtures and sharp blades spinning around through the air, playing with FIRE isn't too bad :) Besides, how many managers do you have that actually check the IP-addresses the DHCP server gives their machines randomly? :) -- Joost
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo server installation
Perenaster perenaster at googlemail.com writes: Hey,I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. I run several gentoo servers, on a minimal configuration. It is painless and I do most updates at night, unattended on the servers. Oh, I run duplicate machines on my servers with mostly stable software; so if a version rollback is necessary on a given piece of software, it's not too cumbersome (mostly). If you are pushing the latest Java technology, it'll be a bit more challenging, imho. Minimal firewalls using Compact Flash are a favorite of mine using gentoo. For a server, I'd suggest RAID although those docs are a bit dated, folks here will help you stagger through the installation if you choose to add RAID to your server(s). Be careful, *Gentoo will seduce you* into building that ultimate workstation, just the way you want it. TIME SINK, particularly if you want tons of the latest software from various sources, but ultimate pleasure as a workstation. Gentoo also runs as an embedded platform and on many different architectures. If you are not vigilant, Gentoo will even enhance your dreams, as you sleep. caveat emptor! hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] RE: Kernel Modules
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: eselect bashcomp enable gentoo eselect bashcomp enable eselect I always do those when doing a new install. Of course, don't forget to do USE=bash-completion and the subsequent emerge --update --newuse --deep @world ;) Why did I not enable this before? :) Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo server installation
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:15 on Friday 10 June 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Friday 10 June 2011 12:13:22 Perenaster wrote: Hey, I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. So I thought Gentoo might be the OS of choice. Is it suitable for an server or should I look for an other distro? Is there anything in particular that I have to mention at the installation? Thanks in advance, Tom Hi Tom, Gentoo is quite usable as a Server. I use it as such myself. Funny think about Gentoo is that it can save you a few MB of disk space by removing things you don't need. But it consumes 3GB of disk space to do it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:17 on Friday 10 June 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Friday 10 June 2011 17:08:40 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:22, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday 10 June 2011 08:52:15 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-10 03:52 And another bonus is that there are plenty of funny things we can spell in hexadecimal. ;) While I'm sure I'll tag the C001:D00D address for my workstation, I'm not sure upper management will appreciate me naming some servers DEAD:BEEF or BAD:D06 or A55:401E ... :-P If you don't tell them and, when they do notice, tell them that changing the IPs is not recommended due to possible issues with the installed software, you might get away with that. Although, why reserve those for servers instead of said management? ;) There's playing with fire, and there's playing with FIRE. :D Considering I regularly play with Nitro mixtures and sharp blades spinning around through the air, playing with FIRE isn't too bad :) Besides, how many managers do you have that actually check the IP-addresses the DHCP server gives their machines randomly? :) You have managers that know what an IP address is? Wow -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo server installation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 21:29, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:15 on Friday 10 June 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Friday 10 June 2011 12:13:22 Perenaster wrote: Hey, I dont't know if this is the right list I'm writing to but I want to use Gentoo as server. My aim is a small as possible installation of an OS with only the modules I want. So I thought Gentoo might be the OS of choice. Is it suitable for an server or should I look for an other distro? Is there anything in particular that I have to mention at the installation? Thanks in advance, Tom Hi Tom, Gentoo is quite usable as a Server. I use it as such myself. Funny think about Gentoo is that it can save you a few MB of disk space by removing things you don't need. But it consumes 3GB of disk space to do it. Heh, I personally don't really care about hard disk usage. All I know is, compared to other 'server'-oriented distros (or distro variant), Gentoo has the least amount of memory usage :-) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error while `emerge grub`
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:46, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/08/2011 10:54 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --build=x86-pc-linux-gnu Hm. That should be --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu (for 32-bit machines) My first thought would be to grep through /etc/* for x86. At this minute I don't have a second thought :( Amazing! You're right! Apparently I created a make.conf with x86-pc-linux-gnu instead of i686-linux-gnu. I'll blame that to installing too many x86_64-pc-linux-gnu systems :-P ( That said, isn't it ... inconsistent that the flags are ~amd64 and ~x86 while the CHOST can be x86_64 and i686 ... ) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error while `emerge grub`
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:42 on Friday 10 June 2011, Pandu Poluan did opine thusly: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:46, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/08/2011 10:54 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --build=x86-pc-linux-gnu Hm. That should be --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu (for 32-bit machines) My first thought would be to grep through /etc/* for x86. At this minute I don't have a second thought :( Amazing! You're right! Apparently I created a make.conf with x86-pc-linux-gnu instead of i686-linux-gnu. I'll blame that to installing too many x86_64-pc-linux-gnu systems :-P ( That said, isn't it ... inconsistent that the flags are ~amd64 and ~x86 while the CHOST can be x86_64 and i686 ... ) Not at all inconsistent. Stupid, but not inconsistent. AMD developed the 64 bit instructions set so it is correctly amd64. Intel developed the 32 bit instruction set so they can call it what they want it to be, which is x86. Now, as for CHOST. Well, that comes from Red Hat who are deeply involved in glibc and gcc and they insist that the OneAndOnlyTrueName(tm) is x86_64. Red Hat are flat out wrong of course, but that doesn't stop them punting their wrong idea and shoving it into the toolchain when we regular schmucks have to deal with it. So now you know. The stupid ones are very very consistent in their stupidity. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
OK. I rebooted and I don't think the test results changed anything. Test with IPv4 DNS record ok (1.003s) using ipv4 Test with IPv6 DNS record bad (0.496s) Test with Dual Stack DNS record ok (0.993s) using ipv4 Test for Dual Stack DNS and large packet ok (0.543s) Test IPv4 without DNS ok (0.988s) using ipv4 Test IPv6 without DNS bad (0.012s) Test IPv6 large packet bad (0.455s) Test if your ISP's DNS server uses IPv6 timeout (15.018s) Kernel config. root@fireball / # cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep -i ipv6 CONFIG_IPV6=y CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY=y CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTER_PREF=y CONFIG_IPV6_ROUTE_INFO=y CONFIG_IPV6_OPTIMISTIC_DAD=y # CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6 is not set CONFIG_IPV6_SIT=y CONFIG_IPV6_SIT_6RD=y CONFIG_IPV6_NDISC_NODETYPE=y CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=y CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y CONFIG_IPV6_SUBTREES=y CONFIG_IPV6_MROUTE=y CONFIG_IPV6_MROUTE_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y CONFIG_IPV6_PIMSM_V2=y # IPv6: Netfilter Configuration CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV6=y CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=y CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_IPV6HEADER=y root@fireball / # Did I miss anything? I think most of the failures are outside my rig. I don't run the DNS servers for google. ;-) Thoughts? Something I need to check here? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Friday 10 June 2011 16:30:16 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:17 on Friday 10 June 2011, Joost Roeleveld did opine thusly: On Friday 10 June 2011 17:08:40 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 14:22, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Friday 10 June 2011 08:52:15 Pandu Poluan wrote: -original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-10 03:52 And another bonus is that there are plenty of funny things we can spell in hexadecimal. ;) While I'm sure I'll tag the C001:D00D address for my workstation, I'm not sure upper management will appreciate me naming some servers DEAD:BEEF or BAD:D06 or A55:401E ... :-P Although, why reserve those for servers instead of said management? ;) There's playing with fire, and there's playing with FIRE. :D Considering I regularly play with Nitro mixtures and sharp blades spinning around through the air, playing with FIRE isn't too bad :) Besides, how many managers do you have that actually check the IP-addresses the DHCP server gives their machines randomly? :) You have managers that know what an IP address is? Wow It is mentioned in some magazines on occasion Although IP is usually translated to Intellectual Person by some and an IP- address is the address of that person ;) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Thoughts? Something I need to check here? Does your ISP offer IPv6? If not, are you using an IPv6 tunnel of some kind? If not, then you don't have IPv6 connection to the Internet, so the results look normal.
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You have managers that know what an IP address is? iPod, iPhone, iPad... surely iP is something related to that.
[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks for all the fish!
Alan Mackenzie acm at muc.de writes: Besides how can grow a cool community, if you leave? Hmm. Yes I do feel guilty. Maybe I can keep up on Usenet. Yea OOPS, I meant nntp via your mail program. I use thunderbird and the gentoo group is easy... hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: WTF is that thing the ladies are firing at 1:25 and 4:25? I'll hazard a guess at the calibre - 18mm? Sorry for the delayed response. Barret 50 cal would be my guess. And I thought the RPG7s we played with back in the day were impressive Dam shame 911 happened. Lots of folks use to play with all sorts of pyro-technik-toys. FEDS now have little patience for good old fashion fun. anymore. Besides, if folks can protect themselves, then much less law enforcement is needed; aka bodes poorly for the political-legal-law_enforcement type of feudal business system we are now under, here in the good ole USA i.e. spend your money and let lawyers protect you, based on the paperwork that the law-enforcement file.. After 4 years in the Marine corp, my nephew's entire battalion did not (re-up) continue with their military careers. It seems the Rules of engagement just plain suck now. Too many have held fellow dying marines in their arms as a result of the Afgan Army regulars' habit of shooting American Marines. Big Scandal but Obama does not care. Nobody cares; nobody investigates. Better off waiting until a real war comes about or politicians put their family members into military service.. Then things will change. CHEERS! James
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Thoughts? Something I need to check here? Does your ISP offer IPv6? If not, are you using an IPv6 tunnel of some kind? If not, then you don't have IPv6 connection to the Internet, so the results look normal. I have ATT so no idea what they do. They are so slow at times, they may still be on IPv3 or something. lol I'm just kidding about IPv3. Just making a point. Another thing, I have a old router too. I'm not sure what role that would play in this. Unless it just allows the packets through without any changes, it may be blocking the new stuff. I guess I'm as ready as I can be right now. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/09/2011 09:52 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/09/2011 11:18 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: eselect OTOH, is something I always have to run bit by bit to recall the invocation. That's just way too much effort for this here old git Wasn't on this list that I saw the correct procedure for eselect? eselect eselect kernel eselect kernel list eselect kernel set 6 sigh It's so true Never happened to me. I simply enter eselect and then press TAB twice and get a list of every module :-P Huh? root@fireball / # eselect hit tab twice here bin/ .config/ dev/ home/lib/ lib64/ mnt/ opt/ root/sys/ usr/ boot/data/etc/ kde lib32/ media/ old-etc/ proc/ sbin/tmp/ var/ root@fireball / # eselect Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird
On 06/10/2011 07:43 PM, James wrote: [snip war mongering crap] Please keep bullshit out of a technical Linux mailing list, thank you.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird
James wrote: Alan McKinnonalan.mckinnonat gmail.com writes: WTF is that thing the ladies are firing at 1:25 and 4:25? I'll hazard a guess at the calibre - 18mm? Sorry for the delayed response. Barret 50 cal would be my guess. And I thought the RPG7s we played with back in the day were impressive Dam shame 911 happened. Lots of folks use to play with all sorts of pyro-technik-toys. FEDS now have little patience for good old fashion fun. anymore. Besides, if folks can protect themselves, then much less law enforcement is needed; aka bodes poorly for the political-legal-law_enforcement type of feudal business system we are now under, here in the good ole USA i.e. spend your money and let lawyers protect you, based on the paperwork that the law-enforcement file.. After 4 years in the Marine corp, my nephew's entire battalion did not (re-up) continue with their military careers. It seems the Rules of engagement just plain suck now. Too many have held fellow dying marines in their arms as a result of the Afgan Army regulars' habit of shooting American Marines. Big Scandal but Obama does not care. Nobody cares; nobody investigates. Better off waiting until a real war comes about or politicians put their family members into military service.. Then things will change. CHEERS! James I can't say I blame them. They give them guns then tell them they can't use them. May as well give them a plastic ball bat to fight with. It would do as much good. I suspect there is about to be a LOT of that going on. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I would like to use netbeans to programming in java language. I can't start netbeans because Cannot find java I thought, no problem because here is the fantastic eselect tool and I'm going to set up the java environment on my machine. But, I made a mistake. On my machine only sun-jdk-1.6.0.26 is installed and I set up this to system-vm. By the way, the system-vm is not accessible for user, only for root. On one hand, after this I tried to delete or disable the system-vm but I didn't find any option for this in eselect. On the other hand, to use the same java-vm as system-vm and as user-vm is not possible because the eselect not able to do this setup. Here is my question: - how can I change to user-vm a system-vm when I have only one installed java-vm which is set up as system-vm? Thanks for any help in advance! Maybe use java-config instead of eselect. Something like java-config -s 1
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On Friday 10 Jun 2011 20:05:16 András Csányi wrote: how can I change to user-vm a system-vm when I have only one installed java-vm which is set up as system-vm? the system-vm and the user-vm can be the same. So in this case just set the user-vm to sun-jdk-1.6.0.26 by running eselect java-vm set user 1 assuming you have only one vm as you say. -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On 10 June 2011 20:45, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 10 Jun 2011 20:05:16 András Csányi wrote: how can I change to user-vm a system-vm when I have only one installed java-vm which is set up as system-vm? the system-vm and the user-vm can be the same. So in this case just set the user-vm to sun-jdk-1.6.0.26 by running eselect java-vm set user 1 assuming you have only one vm as you say. Unfortunately not can be user and system vm the same according to output of eselect commands below. sa-home sayusi # eselect java-vm list Available Java Virtual Machines: [1] sun-jdk-1.6 system-vm sa-home sayusi # eselect java-vm set user 1 !!! Error: Sorry, you cannot set a user vm as root. Set the system vm instead exiting sa-home sayusi # -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On 10 June 2011 20:41, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I would like to use netbeans to programming in java language. I can't start netbeans because Cannot find java I thought, no problem because here is the fantastic eselect tool and I'm going to set up the java environment on my machine. But, I made a mistake. On my machine only sun-jdk-1.6.0.26 is installed and I set up this to system-vm. By the way, the system-vm is not accessible for user, only for root. On one hand, after this I tried to delete or disable the system-vm but I didn't find any option for this in eselect. On the other hand, to use the same java-vm as system-vm and as user-vm is not possible because the eselect not able to do this setup. Here is my question: - how can I change to user-vm a system-vm when I have only one installed java-vm which is set up as system-vm? Thanks for any help in advance! Maybe use java-config instead of eselect. Something like java-config -s 1 java-config is not appropriate. sa-home sayusi # java-config-2 -L The following VMs are available for generation-2: *) Sun JDK 1.6.0.26 [sun-jdk-1.6] sa-home sayusi # java-config-2 -s sun-jdk-1.6 !!! ERROR: The user 'root' should always use the System VM sa-home sayusi # java-config -s sun-jdk-1.6 !!! ERROR: The user 'root' should always use the System VM sa-home sayusi # -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
[gentoo-user] RE: Kernel Modules
-original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-11 00:41 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/09/2011 09:52 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/09/2011 11:18 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: eselect OTOH, is something I always have to run bit by bit to recall the invocation. That's just way too much effort for this here old git Wasn't on this list that I saw the correct procedure for eselect? eselect eselect kernel eselect kernel list eselect kernel set 6 sigh It's so true Never happened to me. I simply enter eselect and then press TAB twice and get a list of every module :-P Huh? root@fireball / # eselect hit tab twice here bin/ .config/ dev/ home/lib/ lib64/ mnt/ opt/ root/sys/ usr/ boot/data/etc/ kde lib32/ media/ old-etc/ proc/ sbin/tmp/ var/ root@fireball / # eselect Dale You need to first incantate the 2-line spell I posted earlier, followed by a logout and a login. And bash will from then on automagically provide a contextual command completion. Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
Paul Hartman wrote: See Pandu's latest message in this thread. Once you enable it like he showed, it'll work like this: # eselectpressed tab twice here bashcomp boost ctags fontconfig java-vm locale news pager python usage visual binutils --briefeditor help kernel mesa --no-colourpinentry rc versionwxwidgets blas cblas envjava-nsplugin lapack modulesopengl profileruby vi xvmc Oh. Oh!!! NEATO. Now to remember I can do this the next time I can't remember the name of a module. lol Double neato ! It works after each option too. Holy crap. OK. We need to start a thread and list all the NEATO things like this that others may not know about. Sound like a idea? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On Friday 10 Jun 2011 20:58:28 András Csányi wrote: Unfortunately not can be user and system vm the same according to output of eselect commands below. you have to run the command as a normal user not the root user. Same goes for java-config as Paul suggested. -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
On 10 June 2011 21:13, Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 10 Jun 2011 20:58:28 András Csányi wrote: Unfortunately not can be user and system vm the same according to output of eselect commands below. you have to run the command as a normal user not the root user. Same goes for java-config as Paul suggested. Oooop... :) I'm a noob... Many thanks for this enlightenment! :) -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell
Re: [gentoo-user] java eselect
Apparently, though unproven, at 21:03 on Friday 10 June 2011, András Csányi did opine thusly: On 10 June 2011 20:41, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:05 PM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I would like to use netbeans to programming in java language. I can't start netbeans because Cannot find java I thought, no problem because here is the fantastic eselect tool and I'm going to set up the java environment on my machine. But, I made a mistake. On my machine only sun-jdk-1.6.0.26 is installed and I set up this to system-vm. By the way, the system-vm is not accessible for user, only for root. On one hand, after this I tried to delete or disable the system-vm but I didn't find any option for this in eselect. On the other hand, to use the same java-vm as system-vm and as user-vm is not possible because the eselect not able to do this setup. Here is my question: - how can I change to user-vm a system-vm when I have only one installed java-vm which is set up as system-vm? Thanks for any help in advance! Maybe use java-config instead of eselect. Something like java-config -s 1 java-config is not appropriate. sa-home sayusi # java-config-2 -L The following VMs are available for generation-2: *) Sun JDK 1.6.0.26 [sun-jdk-1.6] sa-home sayusi # java-config-2 -s sun-jdk-1.6 !!! ERROR: The user 'root' should always use the System VM sa-home sayusi # java-config -s sun-jdk-1.6 !!! ERROR: The user 'root' should always use the System VM sa-home sayusi # That is incorrect. java-config is quite appropriate. Using it to try and set a user vm for root is not, as the output clearly shows. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On 06/10/2011 10:08 PM, Dale wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: See Pandu's latest message in this thread. Once you enable it like he showed, it'll work like this: # eselectpressed tab twice here bashcomp boost ctags fontconfig java-vm locale news pager python usage visual binutils --brief editor help kernel mesa --no-colour pinentry rc version wxwidgets blas cblas env java-nsplugin lapack modules opengl profile ruby vi xvmc Oh. Oh!!! NEATO. Now to remember I can do this the next time I can't remember the name of a module. lol Double neato ! It works after each option too. Well, it's called bash completion and works pretty much for everything that has a completion file. It needs app-shells/bash-completion to be installed. There's a also global USE flag called bash-completion. And also an eselect module called bashcomp, where you can enable this feature for specific tools and packages. eselect bashcomp list shows the packages that support this. For example, try ls --tabtab and you get a list options. Or gcc, or unrar, or...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/10/2011 10:08 PM, Dale wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: See Pandu's latest message in this thread. Once you enable it like he showed, it'll work like this: # eselectpressed tab twice here bashcomp boost ctags fontconfig java-vm locale news pager python usage visual binutils --brief editor help kernel mesa --no-colour pinentry rc version wxwidgets blas cblas env java-nsplugin lapack modules opengl profile ruby vi xvmc Oh. Oh!!! NEATO. Now to remember I can do this the next time I can't remember the name of a module. lol Double neato ! It works after each option too. Well, it's called bash completion and works pretty much for everything that has a completion file. It needs app-shells/bash-completion to be installed. There's a also global USE flag called bash-completion. And also an eselect module called bashcomp, where you can enable this feature for specific tools and packages. eselect bashcomp list shows the packages that support this. For example, try ls --tabtab and you get a list options. Or gcc, or unrar, or... This is one of those, 'I have heard of this but didn't know what is was' things. I did set the USE flag and updated the needed things, -N and all, but this is pretty darn cool. I notice a really long list of things when I do this: eselect bashcomp list Is there a way to just enable them all? Is there some that should NOT be enabled, maybe for good reason? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
I notice a really long list of things when I do this:
eselect bashcomp list
Is there a way to just enable them all?
The wiki has a bunch of info, including a command to set them all at
once. I've pasted it below, but e-mail formatting may ruin it.
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/TAB-Completion
(quote)
If you want to enable all Bash tab-completions available for your system, type:
if using eselect (just remove the --global option if you don't
want to enable them globally):
( shopt -s extglob; eselect bashcomp list | while read -r s; do
s=${s##*][[:space:]]}; [[ $s != Available* ]] eselect bashcomp
enable --global ${s%%?([[:space:]]\\*)}; done )
Remember, for the changes to have an immediate effect, issue the
following command:
source /etc/bash/bashrc
(unquote)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: We need to start a thread and list all the NEATO things like this that others may not know about. Sound like a idea? Additional sources of fun info: Gentoo Tips, Tricks Documentation forum: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewforum-f-12.html Steve Dibb compiled a list of links to the Gentoo Weekly News tips tricks articles: http://dev.gentoo.org/~beandog/tips/ And of course the Gentoo Wiki Wiki Archives are full of great info like this in general: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com http://www.gentoo-wiki.info
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
I notice a really long list of things when I do this:
eselect bashcomp list
Is there a way to just enable them all?
The wiki has a bunch of info, including a command to set them all at
once. I've pasted it below, but e-mail formatting may ruin it.
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/TAB-Completion
(quote)
If you want to enable all Bash tab-completions available for your system, type:
if using eselect (just remove the --global option if you don't
want to enable them globally):
( shopt -s extglob; eselect bashcomp list | while read -r s; do
s=${s##*][[:space:]]}; [[ $s != Available* ]] eselect bashcomp
enable --global ${s%%?([[:space:]]\\*)}; done )
Remember, for the changes to have an immediate effect, issue the
following command:
source /etc/bash/bashrc
(unquote)
I was just starting to use the wiki when it crashed long ago. After
that, lots of stuff was missing so I haven't been back in a while. I
mostly learn off this list. I don't even go to the forums much any more.
Looks like it would have a ALL option to me. ;-)
Thanks for the link. It is in process as I type.
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On Friday 10 Jun 2011 19:18:06 Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/09/2011 09:52 PM, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/09/2011 11:18 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: eselect OTOH, is something I always have to run bit by bit to recall the invocation. That's just way too much effort for this here old git Wasn't on this list that I saw the correct procedure for eselect? eselect eselect kernel eselect kernel list eselect kernel set 6 sigh It's so true Never happened to me. I simply enter eselect and then press TAB twice and get a list of every module :-P Huh? root@fireball / # eselect hit tab twice here bin/ .config/ dev/ home/lib/ lib64/ mnt/ opt/ root/sys/ usr/ boot/data/etc/ kde lib32/ media/ old-etc/ proc/ sbin/tmp/ var/ root@fireball / # eselect See Pandu's latest message in this thread. Once you enable it like he showed, it'll work like this: # eselect pressed tab twice here bashcomp boost ctags fontconfig java-vm locale news pager python usage visual binutils --briefeditor help kernel mesa --no-colourpinentry rc versionwxwidgets blas cblas envjava-nsplugin lapack modulesopengl profileruby vi xvmc Not here: # eselect bashcomp list Available completions: [1] gdbus [2] gsettings # eselect bashcomp enable eselect !!! Error: /usr/share/bash-completion/eselect doesn't exist -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Not here: # eselect bashcomp list Available completions: [1] gdbus [2] gsettings # eselect bashcomp enable eselect !!! Error: /usr/share/bash-completion/eselect doesn't exist Looks like maybe you didn't have the bash-completion USE flag set when you emerged the eselect package.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules
On Friday 10 Jun 2011 22:42:21 Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Not here: # eselect bashcomp list Available completions: [1] gdbus [2] gsettings # eselect bashcomp enable eselect !!! Error: /usr/share/bash-completion/eselect doesn't exist Looks like maybe you didn't have the bash-completion USE flag set when you emerged the eselect package. Yes, that's why nothing more comes up in the list. I was about to post this but you beat me to it! -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
Hi, With my PC I have three soundcards (from the Alsa point of view), which are: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 2 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high . To prevent, that they come up in any possible kind of sorting after a reboot, I wrote into /etc/modporbe.d/alsa.conf: # Alsa kernel modules' configuration file. # ALSA portion # OSS/Free portion ## ## IMPORTANT: ## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s) ## and then run `update-modules' command. ## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info. ## alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-intel alias sound-slot-1 snd-usb-intel alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel , but that did not help (I did a update-modules before reboot). How can I urge the soundcards into a specific order? How can I more specific than specifying snd-hda-intel since this appears twice...? Thank you very much in advance for any help! :) Have a nice weekend! Best regardsm mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:39 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: How can I urge the soundcards into a specific order? How can I more specific than specifying snd-hda-intel since this appears twice...? Oh, I love when someone asks a question that I already had to solve for myself. :) I also have 2 intel-hda devices and 1 usb-audio. If you read the ALSA documentation in the kernel, you'll find that the index option is how you determine the card order. But, like you realized, when you have more than one of the same type, how do you do that? The answer is that you can define multiple devices in one entry, separated by comma. You can also specify vendor ID/product ID so it knows which piece of hardware you are talking about. options snd-intel-hda model=intel-x58,auto enable_msi=1,0 index=0,1 vid=0x8086,0x10de pid=0x3a3e,0x0be4 options snd-usb-audio index=2 To explain the first line: options snd-intel-hda - This part is obvious. model=intel-x58,auto - For the first card, I specify the model is intel-x58. That way it shows me the proper inputs and outputs. For the second card (my Nvidia HDMI) I set it to auto-detect. enable_msi=1,0 - I want to enable MSI for my on-board sound, but disable it for my Nvidia HDMI sound. index=0,1 - My first card is index 0, second is index 1. That way my on-board is always first. vid=0x8086,0x10de pid=0x3a3e,0x0be4 - Now this is the magical part :) By using vendor and product ID, it knows which exact hardware I'm talking about in the previous options. For your case, maybe you don't care about setting the model or the MSI, you can leave that out. But the real important part to solve your problem is to set the index and the vid/pid. Thank you very much in advance for any help! :) I hope I helped!
Re: [gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, With my PC I have three soundcards (from the Alsa point of view), which are: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfcaf8000 irq 16 1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe97c000 irq 25 2 [CameraB404271 ]: USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 at usb-:00:12.2-3, high . To prevent, that they come up in any possible kind of sorting after a reboot, I wrote into /etc/modporbe.d/alsa.conf: # Alsa kernel modules' configuration file. # ALSA portion # OSS/Free portion ## ## IMPORTANT: ## You need to customise this section for your specific sound card(s) ## and then run `update-modules' command. ## Read alsa-driver's INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc for more info. ## alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midi snd-seq-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel alias snd-card-1 snd-usb-intel alias sound-slot-1 snd-usb-intel alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel , but that did not help (I did a update-modules before reboot). How can I urge the soundcards into a specific order? How can I more specific than specifying snd-hda-intel since this appears twice...? Thank you very much in advance for any help! :) Have a nice weekend! Best regardsm mcc Please check the two sections at the Alsa Wiki for some suggestions to your problems http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards For card ordering, look at the The newer slots= method entry. For multiple cards using the same driver look at Ordering multiple cards of the same type where basically you give it specifics about each piece of hardware. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [11-06-11 01:08]: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:39 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: How can I urge the soundcards into a specific order? How can I more specific than specifying snd-hda-intel since this appears twice...? Oh, I love when someone asks a question that I already had to solve for myself. :) I also have 2 intel-hda devices and 1 usb-audio. If you read the ALSA documentation in the kernel, you'll find that the index option is how you determine the card order. But, like you realized, when you have more than one of the same type, how do you do that? The answer is that you can define multiple devices in one entry, separated by comma. You can also specify vendor ID/product ID so it knows which piece of hardware you are talking about. options snd-intel-hda model=intel-x58,auto enable_msi=1,0 index=0,1 vid=0x8086,0x10de pid=0x3a3e,0x0be4 options snd-usb-audio index=2 To explain the first line: options snd-intel-hda - This part is obvious. model=intel-x58,auto - For the first card, I specify the model is intel-x58. That way it shows me the proper inputs and outputs. For the second card (my Nvidia HDMI) I set it to auto-detect. enable_msi=1,0 - I want to enable MSI for my on-board sound, but disable it for my Nvidia HDMI sound. index=0,1 - My first card is index 0, second is index 1. That way my on-board is always first. vid=0x8086,0x10de pid=0x3a3e,0x0be4 - Now this is the magical part :) By using vendor and product ID, it knows which exact hardware I'm talking about in the previous options. For your case, maybe you don't care about setting the model or the MSI, you can leave that out. But the real important part to solve your problem is to set the index and the vid/pid. Thank you very much in advance for any help! :) I hope I helped! Hi Paul, thank you for your quick response! :)) short question before starting a new adventure :) Did specify this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf or in /etc/conf.d/modules (I am asking due to the option keyword...) Do you use udev? ...will start the new audio adventure next morning ... its to late to keep my eyes open... Best regards, mcc
[gentoo-user] RE: Kernel Modules
-original message- Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel Modules From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Date: 2011-06-11 03:05 I notice a really long list of things when I do this: eselect bashcomp list Is there a way to just enable them all? Is there some that should NOT be enabled, maybe for good reason? Personally, I do some cherry-picking and enable a bashcomp when I found out I need it. I have 2 concerns (which may or may not be true): 1. It will make bash (or the whole system) slower 2. For some commands I *might* want the standard completion That results in a short list of 'essential' bashcomps that I enable this way: for m in $ESSENTIAL_BASHCOMP; do eselect bashcomp enable $m; done Shove that line (prepended by ESSENTIAL_BASHCOMP) into a script, save the script somewhere safe and retrievable, and everytime I need to enable the bashcomp modules, I'll just download the script and execute it :) Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1
Re: [gentoo-user] RE: Kernel Modules
Pandu Poluan wrote: Personally, I do some cherry-picking and enable a bashcomp when I found out I need it. I have 2 concerns (which may or may not be true): 1. It will make bash (or the whole system) slower 2. For some commands I *might* want the standard completion That results in a short list of 'essential' bashcomps that I enable this way: for m in $ESSENTIAL_BASHCOMP; do eselect bashcomp enable $m; done Shove that line (prepended by ESSENTIAL_BASHCOMP) into a script, save the script somewhere safe and retrievable, and everytime I need to enable the bashcomp modules, I'll just download the script and execute it :) Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Sent from Nokia E72-1 So far, I'm just enjoying not having to type so much. I'm not a great typer anyway so the less I have to do the better. If I run into something that I don't want bash completion on, I can always disable it. The man page tells how to do that but doesn't have a enable all option. Since I have a quad core 3.2Ghz machine, I'm not to worried about speed. I actually can't tell any difference, at least so far. I may not do this on my old x86 rig tho. It's a single 2500+ CPU and IDE drives. That may slow things down there. Thanks for sharing tho. I'll keep that in mind when I mess with my old rig. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: short question before starting a new adventure :) Did specify this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf or in /etc/conf.d/modules (I am asking due to the option keyword...) in /etc/modprobe.d/ Do you use udev? Yes, but I don't have any special udev rules for sound. ...will start the new audio adventure next morning ... its to late to keep my eyes open... Good luck!
Re: [gentoo-user] Sorting soundcards...
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [11-06-11 05:08]: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: short question before starting a new adventure :) Did specify this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf or in /etc/conf.d/modules (I am asking due to the option keyword...) in /etc/modprobe.d/ Do you use udev? Yes, but I don't have any special udev rules for sound. ...will start the new audio adventure next morning ... its to late to keep my eyes open... Good luck! Hi Paul, it seems that snd-hda-intel no longer supports vid= and pid=, since there messages unknown parameter in the bootlog. Also I dont find any product ids when grepping in /sys/. or with lspci -vv. I am using Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24. on a vanilla linux 2.6.39.1 kernel... Am I lost again here...? Thank you very much in advance for any help! :) Best regards mcc
