Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:49:02 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: OK. The Chief Idiot is going to experiment some. You ALL know what this means right? Yep, I'm about to really make a mess of things so here comes some questions. This is a result of the /usr and udev crap. So, go to

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 06:44:58 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:34:11 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: [ Hugemongous snip ] If the Gentoo-devs come up with a fool-proof solution No such thing in computing, I think. I'm afraid you're right on

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:38:41 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 03:04:37 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:38:41 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [--major snippage--] I see it the other way around: you ensure that your initramfs is in sync with your system. In other words: the initramfs contains a

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Thursday, 15. September 2011 20:22:17 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Guilherme leonardo.guilhe...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know the state of Geanny since I last checked (couple of

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:46:02 +0200 Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Anyway, Debian is the only big distro recommending separated /usr, and then only for multiuser setups. It's really years since I've looked at the recommended partition schemes: when I started using Linux, a

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: The basic idea is you set the boot drive in the bios and which runs grub from that drive's mbr. When you installed that grub you hard-coded it to know where to find it's grub.conf. You can use the existing grub and it's config files just fine. Add a new entry for your new

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 12:00:16 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:46:02 +0200 Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Anyway, Debian is the only big distro recommending separated /usr, and then only for multiuser setups. It's really years since I've looked at the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 16, 2011 5:37 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: The basic idea is you set the boot drive in the bios and which runs grub from that drive's mbr. When you installed that grub you hard-coded it to know where to find it's grub.conf. You can use the existing grub

Re: [gentoo-user] busybox/mdev as a possible alternative to udev?

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:25:45PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote It does look like there will be some problems with Xorg and detecting input devices. I spent a few minuted digging around...and I have no leads on where Xorg

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011-09-16 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 9/15/2011 8:22 PM, Michael Mol wrote: I don't show an ebuild for eclipse (I see dev-java/ant-eclipse-ecj, dev-java/eclipse-ecj and dev-util/eclipse-sdk). Last time I poked eclipse, it was a royal pain using any *DT unless one downloaded it as a packaged deal. Version dependencies were a

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread Alex Schuster
meino.cra...@gmx.de writes: How can I make pstree make work in tmux with the above mentioned options? Open a screen sesson in tmux :) No, I don't know a real solution. Simply setting the TERM variable back to xterm does not help. Wonko

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote: On 9/15/2011 8:22 PM, Michael Mol wrote: But 3.6 introduced a *ton* of new dependencies that the Gentoo folks haven't been able to work out properly in portage.[1] Of course, that's also likely an indication that

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 16, 2011 7:47 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: meino.cra...@gmx.de writes: How can I make pstree make work in tmux with the above mentioned options? Open a screen sesson in tmux :) No, I don't know a real solution. Simply setting the TERM variable back to xterm does

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread Alex Schuster
Pandu Poluan writes: On Sep 16, 2011 7:47 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: meino.cra...@gmx.de writes: How can I make pstree make work in tmux with the above mentioned options? Open a screen sesson in tmux :) No, I don't know a real solution. Simply setting the

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:54:46 +0200 Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Using layout suggestions from install docs to justify what the udev maintainers want to do is simply disingenuous. I referenced that asa response to the list of distro-guides. I was backing you up, not arguing

Re: IDE for C/C++ (Was: Really OT now (Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr)

2011-09-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Michael. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 08:22:17PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: I don't see an ebuild for Emacs CC-Mode. CC Mode is distributed along with the rest of {,X}Emacs (although I think XEmacs half-splits all its packages off from its cord). Those version of CC Mode are somewhat out of

[gentoo-user] shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread James
hello, I've tried several browsers: seamonkey, firefox and chromium but none work with a online chemistry (shockwave) application. Maybe I have it missconfiguried on the gentoo system The website wants to install Adobe Shockwave Player On the gentoo system, this version is installed:

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread Scott Stevenson
On 16/09/11 at 04:54 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: How can I make pstree make work in tmux with the above mentioned options? Adding the following line to ~/.tmux.conf should do it: setw -g utf8 on -- Scott Stevenson pgpVWIJ9VuKL6.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Mick
On Friday 16 Sep 2011 05:13:02 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 3:52 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:18:27 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 15

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:05:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Am 15.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Thu, Sep

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thursday, September 15, 2011 05:38:41 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: [--major snippage--] I see it the other way around: you ensure that your

Re: [gentoo-user] shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Fri 16 Sep 2011 07:25:20 PM IST, James wrote: hello, I've tried several browsers: seamonkey, firefox and chromium but none work with a online chemistry (shockwave) application. Maybe I have it missconfiguried on the gentoo system The website wants to install Adobe Shockwave Player

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 16 Sep 2011 05:13:02 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 3:52 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2011

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Mick
On Friday 16 Sep 2011 11:56:03 Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 5:37 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: The basic idea is you set the boot drive in the bios and which runs grub from that drive's mbr. When you installed that grub you hard-coded it to know where to

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your sdb partition(s) (for that you'll need to emerge sys-fs/reiser4progs). If you want to be able to mount reiser4 from within your sda OS, you will need of course to

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Harry Putnam wrote: I caught just a hint of some kind of recent trouble when updating on this list a few days ago but lost track of the thread or message. I'd like to do update world and am some 4-5 mnths out of date right now. Am I likely to hit some horrible snag that has come up recently.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no longer be statically linked, thus making initr* 'blew up' in size? When more and more utilities go the non-statically-linked

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:47:01 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your sdb partition(s) (for that you'll need to emerge sys-fs/reiser4progs). If you want to be able

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info  wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no longer be statically linked, thus making initr* 'blew up'

[gentoo-user] Re: shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread James
Nilesh Govindarajan contact at nileshgr.com writes: Shockwave is not supported in Linux IMHO This url suggests using wine: http://www.anuragbhandari.com/2008/10/install-shockwave-in-linux-using-wine/ I've seen several similar postings, but, most are old. Anyone tried using wine plus windows

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info  wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no longer be statically linked, thus making initr* 'blew up'

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 16, 2011 11:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no longer be statically linked, thus making initr* 'blew up' in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:12 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Nilesh Govindarajan contact at nileshgr.com writes: Shockwave is not supported in Linux IMHO This url suggests using wine: http://www.anuragbhandari.com/2008/10/install-shockwave-in-linux-using-wine/ I've seen several

[gentoo-user] Re: shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread James
Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com writes: Regarding WINE... You'll probably need to unmask the 1.3 branch, because libicu and wine 1.2.x have been in conflict most of this year. Winetricks is your friend. Which version would you suggest? Available versions: ~185 ~672 ** James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: shockwave on Gentoo ?

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:51 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com writes: Regarding WINE... You'll probably need to unmask the 1.3 branch, because libicu and wine 1.2.x have been in conflict most of this year. Winetricks is your friend. Which

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:47:01 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your sdb partition(s) (for that you'll need to emerge sys-fs/reiser4progs). If you

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.infowrote: Speaking of fsck, didn't someone lamented the fact that fsck can no longer be statically linked, thus making

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on a Macbook Air

2011-09-16 Thread Grant
Hi, I don't have a Macbook Air, but I have two iMac desktops and one macbook pro laptop. The two imacs run Gentoo without any problems. I installed refit to switch between Gentoo and osx. For the laptop, I had trouble booting from the installation cd. A few days ago someone on this list

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 16, 2011 11:58:11 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:47:01 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your sdb

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread meino . cramer
Scott Stevenson sc...@scottstvnsn.com [11-09-16 17:27]: On 16/09/11 at 04:54 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: How can I make pstree make work in tmux with the above mentioned options? Adding the following line to ~/.tmux.conf should do it: setw -g utf8 on -- Scott Stevenson Hi

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:58:11 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:47:01 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mick wrote: You will need to patch your kernel (in your sdb test OS) and then you will also need to make a reiser4 fs on your

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-16 Thread Carlos Hendson
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 10:57 -0500, Dale wrote: Give it time. Something will need /home on the root partition next. Like someone else posted, we are headed towards windows land with this. I won't be surprised if /boot will have to be on / next too. Dale :-) :-) Funnily enough,

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:02:27 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Way off topic for this list but the metaphor I'd use is that while hunched over my keyboard my computer suddenly grows arms, shoves it's hands up inside my rib cage, rips my hearts out and holds it over me while writhing on the floor I

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:02:27 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Way off topic for this list but the metaphor I'd use is that while hunched over my keyboard my computer suddenly grows arms, shoves it's hands up inside my rib cage,

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 16 September 2011 17:58:11 Dale wrote: Hmm, maybe I am thinking of ext4? Life's confusing. :/ In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3/ ext4noatime1

OT: Merchant bankers (Was: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:49:03 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:02:27 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] The world of trading is 99% boredom, 1% terror... Tell that to UBS... Don't go there! I used

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:03:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3/ ext4noatime1 1 /dev/vg1/home /home

Re: [gentoo-user] Any big gotcha's when update from several (5) mnths

2011-09-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:57:27 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: Are multiple hearts a requirement? I was thinking he was a Centauri. Or a Time Lord, but that would be cheating in his line of work :) -- Neil Bothwick Woody, I said TUCK the children in bed! --Mia Farrow signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] TMux urxvt and Unicode

2011-09-16 Thread meino . cramer
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info [11-09-16 17:26]: On Sep 16, 2011 9:59 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I am using urxvt in conjunction with the terminus font without problems. When I call pstree -G -p everything is fine. Now I start tmux inside urxvt and do the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 16 September 2011 23:13:27 Neil Bothwick wrote: A word of advice when starting from scratch, give your VG(s) unique names. I've seen what happens when someone takes a drive from one Fedora system and puts it in another, so there are two VGs called vg01. It ain't nice (only one is

[gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-16 Thread Paul Hartman
Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be more weeks before it's back up. There are apparently no mirrors of this file... I can't install my printer

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on a Macbook Air

2011-09-16 Thread Moshe Kamensky
* Grant emailgr...@gmail.com [16/09/11 13:21]: Hi, I don't have a Macbook Air, but I have two iMac desktops and one macbook pro laptop. The two imacs run Gentoo without any problems. I installed refit to switch between Gentoo and osx. For the laptop, I had trouble booting from the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:03:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3/ ext4noatime1 1 /dev/vg1/home

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-16 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be more weeks before it's back up. There are apparently no mirrors of this file... I can't

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:06:40 Dale wrote: Still nervous about / on LVM tho. :/ Me too. That's why my / is on /dev/md3, which combines /dev/sd[ab]3 in RAID-1. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread Gregory Shearman
In linux.gentoo.user, Dale wrote: I'm getting this LVM thing down pat tho. cfdisk to create partitions, if not using the whole drive. pvcreate vgcreate lvcreate then put on a file system and mount. Sounds good. I still get them confused as to what comes first but I got some pictures

Re: [gentoo-user] grub and what happens exactly when booting.

2011-09-16 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:06 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:03:20 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: In case it helps, here's the relevant part of my fstab: /dev/sda1 /boot ext2noatime,noauto 1 2 /dev/md3/

Re: [gentoo-user] HPLIP plugin file

2011-09-16 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: Does anyone here use HPLIP and happen to have the file hplip-3.11.7-plugin.run that they can send to me or upload somewhere? openprinting.org is down because of the LF hack and it could be more weeks before