[gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 22/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: I use virtualbox and it's the one I recommend. The kernel modules are no better and no worse than any other out-of-tree modules. You're wrong. Using the virtualbox module means you turn the kernel to tained crap because of the number of problems it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:17:07 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 22/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: I use virtualbox and it's the one I recommend. The kernel modules are no better and no worse than any other out-of-tree modules. You're wrong. Using the virtualbox

[gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:17:07 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: You're wrong. Using the virtualbox module means you turn the kernel to tained crap because of the number of problems it causes, including random memory curruption. Care to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Joseph Davis
I agree a list of issues, just broad ones, would be helpful. I am interested in VMs, so knowing which ones have what problems, and my own needs, would be help me make a good choice. Please, disparage with details! ;-) Thanks - Joseph Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 23/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wed, November 23, 2011 12:06 am, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:29:23 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What I like about VBox is that you get all the useful bits in the open-source version. Except USB support. Huh? I used VirtualBox with a MSWindowsXP guest to use a negatives

[gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/11/11, Joseph Davis wrote: I agree a list of issues, just broad ones, would be helpful. I am interested in VMs, so knowing which ones have what problems, and my own needs, would be help me make a good choice. Please, disparage with details! ;-) I've already said random memory

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, November 22, 2011 11:47 pm, William Kenworthy wrote: snipped YMMV ... VB is stable and rarely if ever breaks, app and modules just work - performance is as good as vmware I actually found VB to have better performance. When using virtual machines, I tend to run multiple

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wed, November 23, 2011 1:59 pm, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 23/11/11, Joseph Davis wrote: I agree a list of issues, just broad ones, would be helpful. I am interested in VMs, so knowing which ones have what problems, and my own needs, would be help me make a good choice. Please,

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:50:08 -0600, Dale wrote: Another LVM question. If I want to remove a drive and tell pvmove to move the data off it, can the drive have files being written to it while this is done? I'm wanting to use my old spare drive to move some things around but right now LVM has

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:57:31 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: What I like about VBox is that you get all the useful bits in the open-source version. Except USB support. Huh? I used VirtualBox with a MSWindowsXP guest to use a negatives scanner that would refuse to work with Sane as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:17:07 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 22/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: I use virtualbox and it's the one I recommend. The kernel modules are no better and no worse

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:34:45 + schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:57:31 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: What I like about VBox is that you get all the useful bits in the open-source version. Except USB support. Huh? I used VirtualBox with

[gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 23/11/11, J. Roeleveld wrote: I also got random memory corruption when compiling large packages with simple kernel configurations and no out-of-tree modules present on the system. Do you have any evidence to proof that this randomness is actually caused by VB modules and not something

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wed, November 23, 2011 2:34 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:57:31 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: What I like about VBox is that you get all the useful bits in the open-source version. Except USB support. Huh? I used VirtualBox with a MSWindowsXP guest to use a

[gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-11-23, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Wed, November 23, 2011 12:06 am, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:29:23 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What I like about VBox is that you get all the useful bits in the open-source version. Except USB support. Huh? The last

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:51:19 -0800 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:17:07 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 22/11/11, Alan McKinnon wrote: I use virtualbox

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:01:34 +0100 J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tue, November 22, 2011 11:47 pm, William Kenworthy wrote: snipped YMMV ... VB is stable and rarely if ever breaks, app and modules just work - performance is as good as vmware I actually found VB to have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Lets grant that the VirtualBox modules are not up to LKML standards. That's fine, very little out of the tree is. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the issues are silly bugs involving pointer arithmetic (the

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I notice this entire thread has carefully steered around ESXi Now there's an interesting product, with a truly fascinating licensing and pricing model. ESXi isn't Linux. Or, at least, it's not something you'd run

Re: [gentoo-user] A helping hand with virtual machines, please.

2011-11-23 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 23, 2011 10:32 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I notice this entire thread has carefully steered around ESXi Now there's an interesting product, with a truly fascinating licensing and pricing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Ad CFLAGS for i7-2600: Is that too much ricer-style? -- ### gcc -march=native -E -v - /dev/null 21 | sed -n 's/.* -v - //p' CFLAGS=-O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -march=core2 -mcx16 -msahf -maes -mpclmul -mpopcnt -mavx --param l1-cache-size=32 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 --param l2-cache-size=8192

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Ad CFLAGS for i7-2600: Is that too much ricer-style?  -- ### gcc -march=native -E -v - /dev/null 21 | sed -n 's/.* -v - //p' CFLAGS=-O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -march=core2 -mcx16 -msahf -maes -mpclmul -mpopcnt -mavx

[gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) which I want to exchange with a MSI 560 Ti made also by msi. I am using the nvidia-drivers... Is it right, that is simple to pull out the old card

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 23.11.2011 18:21, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) which I want to exchange with a MSI 560 Ti made also by msi. I am using the

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread meino . cramer
Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net [11-11-23 18:48]: Am 23.11.2011 18:21, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) which I want to exchange

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) which I want to exchange with a MSI 560 Ti made also by msi. I am using the

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread meino . cramer
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com [11-11-23 19:00]: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) which I want to exchange

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 23.11.2011 18:05, schrieb Michael Mol: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Ad CFLAGS for i7-2600: Is that too much ricer-style? -- ### gcc -march=native -E -v - /dev/null 21 | sed -n 's/.* -v - //p' CFLAGS=-O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -march=core2

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:09 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com [11-11-23 19:00]: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:21 AM,  meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, Before I lock out myself from my Linux system... Current state: VGA compatible controller: nVidia

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:50:08 -0600, Dale wrote: Another LVM question. If I want to remove a drive and tell pvmove to move the data off it, can the drive have files being written to it while this is done? I'm wanting to use my old spare drive to move some things around

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread meino . cramer
Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org [11-11-23 20:08]: meino.cra...@gmx.de asks: Is it right, that is simple to pull out the old card and insert the new one or do I badly forget anything ? Just be sure to shut the machine down before doing that. You might lock yourself out for quite a

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm just wondering, what are the benefits drawbacks of turning on static USE flag for sys-boot/grub? I seem to remember it has something to do with whether you're using 32bit vs 64bit, but I can't be certain.

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org [11-11-23 20:08]: meino.cra...@gmx.de asks: Is it right, that is simple to pull out the old card and insert the new one or do I badly forget anything ? Just be sure to shut the machine down

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Pandu Poluanpa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm just wondering, what are the benefits drawbacks of turning on static USE flag for sys-boot/grub? I seem to remember it has something to do with whether you're using 32bit vs 64bit, but I can't be

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm just wondering, what are the benefits drawbacks of turning on static USE flag for sys-boot/grub? I seem to remember it has something

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: Fundamentally doesn't it build in any libraries, etc.? I don't know really. I think, generally speaking, the static USE flag is mostly useful for people who build initramfs and don't want dynamically linked libraries

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:07:55 -0600, Dale wrote: I think we have a problem: root@fireball / # pvmove -v /dev/sdb1 Finding volume group data Archiving volume group data metadata (seqno 4). Creating logical volume pvmove0 Moving 59604 extents of logical volume data/data1

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 23.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Mark Knecht: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm just wondering, what are the benefits drawbacks of turning on static USE flag for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2011-11-23 20:02, schrieb Michael Mol: ISTR gcc's i7 optimizations giving someone in here trouble within the last couple weeks. As I recall, they dropped back to march and mtune=core2. I don't expect wonders from the new compiler and its options. For now I am more constrained by the fact

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Mol
DVI-I outputs may be converted to VGA with a simple adapter; the connector at the computer contains both analog and digital signaling. ZZ On Nov 23, 2011 5:42 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 2011-11-23 20:02, schrieb Michael Mol: ISTR gcc's i7 optimizations giving someone

[gentoo-user] experience with rsnapshot

2011-11-23 Thread covici
I am using rdiff-backup which is no longer maintained, but still seems to work, but I was thinking to use rsnapshot instead which seems like a nice way to do this, but this seems not to have been maintained for a while, either, so I was wondering if anyone is using it and how it works for you?

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 24, 2011 5:13 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 23.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Mark Knecht: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I'm just wondering,

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: You have space in the filesystem, but the volume containing that filesystem is too large to move. You must first reduce the filesystem size, with resize2fs or whatever suits your fs, then shrink the LV with lvresize. That will free up enough extents to be able to fit them

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: On Nov 24, 2011 5:13 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net mailto:li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 23.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Mark Knecht: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com mailto:paul.hartman%2bgen...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-boot/grub USE=static

2011-11-23 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Nov 24, 2011 5:13 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 23.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Mark Knecht: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: You have space in the filesystem, but the volume containing that filesystem is too large to move. You must first reduce the filesystem size, with resize2fs or whatever suits your fs, then shrink the LV with lvresize. That will free up enough extents to be able

Re: [gentoo-user] Before locking out myself...

2011-11-23 Thread meino . cramer
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com [11-11-24 04:02]: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org [11-11-23 20:08]: meino.cra...@gmx.de asks: Is it right, that is simple to pull out the old card and insert the new one or do I badly

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale asks: OK. Everyone duck, I been thinking on this and Neils info above. lol This is what I sort of figured out and tell me where I am off here. I have to reduce the file system, change the partition in cfdisk (?), resize the lv, then reduce the vg, then I can run pvmove? After all

Re: [gentoo-user] experience with rsnapshot

2011-11-23 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 19:26 -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: I am using rdiff-backup which is no longer maintained, but still seems to work, but I was thinking to use rsnapshot instead which seems like a nice way to do this, but this seems not to have been maintained for a while, either,

Re: [gentoo-user] LVM and LABELS in fstab

2011-11-23 Thread Dale
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale asks: OK. Everyone duck, I been thinking on this and Neils info above. lol This is what I sort of figured out and tell me where I am off here. I have to reduce the file system, change the partition in cfdisk (?), resize the lv, then reduce the vg, then I can run

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2011-11-24 00:45, schrieb Michael Mol: DVI-I outputs may be converted to VGA with a simple adapter; the connector at the computer contains both analog and digital signaling. If there is only one ... this results in one VGA-output only as well ... and I need 2.

[gentoo-user] glibc-2.14.1 upgrade

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Hartman
Hi, After emerging glibc-2.14.1 today, pam stopped working, which prevented KDE from working and some other things. I got this kind of message: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /lib64/libcrypt.so.1) There were no @preserved-rebuild and revdep-rebuild found nothing.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Another hardware thread

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Mol
Fair enough. :) ZZ On Nov 24, 2011 12:25 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 2011-11-24 00:45, schrieb Michael Mol: DVI-I outputs may be converted to VGA with a simple adapter; the connector at the computer contains both analog and digital signaling. If there is only one ...

[gentoo-user] Re: experience with rsnapshot

2011-11-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-11-24, cov...@ccs.covici.com cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: I am using rdiff-backup which is no longer maintained, but still seems to work, but I was thinking to use rsnapshot instead which seems like a nice way to do this, but this seems not to have been maintained for a while, either,

[gentoo-user] Re: experience with rsnapshot

2011-11-23 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-11-24, Albert W. Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 19:26 -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: I am using rdiff-backup which is no longer maintained, but still seems to work, but I was thinking to use rsnapshot instead which seems like a nice way to do this,