Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:08:26 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Remember arts and esd? They went the way of HAL. Nuff said. The thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. Have you ever been talking to someone when the fire alarm went off? Then you'd realise we can multitask audio. Imagine if your ears decided not to tell you about the alarm, because you were deep in conversation. That used to be a problem and the reason we needed sound daemons. The reason aRTS expired is that ALSA gained software mixing capabilities and a separate daemon was no longer needed. Pulseaudio has some interesting applications, such as being to control settings on a per application basis, your audio player can use the speakers while your VOIP program can use a bluetooth headset if paired. At the moment it is too messy and troublesome to bother with, but one day I hope we will get a decent sound control system. However, I know in my heart that is also the day we will be told it is no longer enough and we have to have a new system. -- Neil Bothwick God said, div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t, and there was light. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, January 26, 2012 8:16 am, Dale wrote: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale, I don't use them myself, but Fastmail might be an option for you. http://www.fastmail.fm They're also very good with giving back to the OS community. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b For an alternative search engine you should have a look at DuckDuckGo I've used it in the past and it has a pretty impressive set of features. As for e-mail I've heard good things about FastMail. Hushmail used to be a good one but I'm not sure how they stand today. -- t: https://www.twitter.com/mikankun b: http://mikankun.wordpress.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 01:16:01AM -0600, Dale wrote I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Years ago, when facing yet another ISP move, I got my own personal domain. I have the option of pointing my MX record at various services. I'm currently using Cotse for inbound email. For outbound email I use my broadband ISP. If it's down, I use a dialup ISP, which I keep as an emergency backup.. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
[gentoo-user] OT: Managing Wifi-APs
What do you guys use to manage access to your company's Wifi? I got to research how to provide access for the customers of my client, people waiting for getting their cars fixed ... It should be easy to provide them with access while on the other hand it should be loggable, controllable, etc. I don't want to go the full RADIUS-way of things, at least not fully by myself, a somehow ready-to-use solution would be cool. New keys every day would be nice as well. Yesterday I played around with http://www.amazingports.com/ Looks good so far, although it is somehow controlled by their main servers somehow (you have to register etc). Not optimal. Any tips or thoughts? Additional info: I might have to run the hotspot-wifi over the company's fixed lines, within a VPN or so ... there are ~10 separate locations and I won't get new DSL in every single spot there ... Stefan
[gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 08:48:28 Michael Mathurin wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers -across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpis rc=al_comboNE_b For an alternative search engine you should have a look at DuckDuckGo I've used it in the past and it has a pretty impressive set of features. As for e-mail I've heard good things about FastMail. Hushmail used to be a good one but I'm not sure how they stand today. I've used Fastmail for years and is a very reliable email provider. It does not have the storage allowance of Gmail on its free account, so space will run out unless you start deleting messages. Also, unless you pay you are only allowed to access messages via webmail and IMAP4, not POP3. There are options for webmail scrapers or archiving of messages via mail clients, but Fastmail is not Google in terms of access options and features. BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. Delete flash and normal cookies, do not log in to any Google sites and you should be as good with their tracking of your habits as you always were. To search in relative anonymity you could of course use tor if you can put up with their slow connections, or perhaps visit Scroogle who also offer an SSL page in case you want to avoid anyone sniffing your packets. Scroogle looks like ixquick except that they only serve Google search results. At busy times Google blocks Scroogle access, so it may be getting too popular for its own good. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:08:26 -0500 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: An answer from a different Walter G... I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. [...deletia...] I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. I'll throw the question back to you. How about you go first? I'm not opening up a debate and preparing an argument, I really want to know what you think about this matter. Yeah, I know, this is a highly unusual thing for Alan to put out there and I've never done it this way before :-) But it's legit, I don't have a dog in this fight and would really like to know what you think What specific benefits do you see? Not just generalities, but real life benfits, please. Sound daemons in general seem to be solutions in search of a problem. And if they couldn't find any problems to solve, they'd make up some new ones of their own. I remember the first I heard of pulseaudio was all the weeping and moaning of people on this forum and the GTALUG (Toronto area linux mailing list) trying to get sound working again after installing pulseaudio. Remember arts and esd? They went the way of HAL. Nuff said. The thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. Try listening to 2 radio stations at once, and see what I mean. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:07:51 +, Mick wrote: BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. They can track a lot more than IP addresses, your browser can provide a lot of information, not just user-agent but installed fonts, plugin information and much more. There is enough to do a damn good job of identifying you even when your IP address changes. It is certainly simple to see if you are one user or two. -- Neil Bothwick Nymphomania-- an illness you hear about but never encounter. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)
Hi all, I have been a former user, and in my new occupation I think Gentoo could be a perfect tool. Context - I admin a server for PHP and Java Web developers - I have to run a Gentoo host which have LXC guests (also Gentoo-only). - About the LXC guests -- 1 LXC guest with PHP4 (with custom ./configure options) -- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.2 (with custom ./configure options) -- 1 LXC guest with PHP 5.3 (with custom ./configure options) -- 1 LXC guest with Tomcat + Oracle + Oracle's Java - I'll also need to host several ready to boot VMWare Windows VM images (containing IE6, for compatibility tests): I guess I'll have to install a VMWare server - I *only* want to install with the distribution packaging tool. Is Gentoo a good choice? I think yes because: - Installing PHP4, PHP5.2 is just about unmasking and install - Installing VMWare server is easy But... - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW I master Debian based administration with some knowledges of packaging, but this is the fisrt time I have to deal with Sun/Oracles products which I know are not really Linux friendly. What's your opinion? -- RMA.
[gentoo-user] xorg on ppc64
Helllo, I have installed xorg-server on a mac G5 (ppc64, 32 bit userland). I configured the kernel for xorg according to the gentoo xorg howto. However, the server will not start: (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Thu Jan 26 08:57:27 2012 (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (EE) Failed to load module fbdev (module does not exist, 0) (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled. xinit: connection to X server lost xorg-server was built using these use flags: [ebuild R] x11-base/xorg-server-1.10.4-r1 USE=ipv6 nptl udev xorg -dmx -doc -kdrive -minimal -static-libs -tslib -xnest -xvfb 0 kB This is the kernel: Linux perthite 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 #7 SMP Thu Jan 26 11:51:42 NST 2012 ppc64 PPC970FX, altivec supported PowerMac7,3 GNU/Linux I have also noticed that I am not able to switch between virtual terminals, but this may be an unrelated problem. I appreciate any help offered. Thanks, Roger
[gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)
On 01/26/2012 02:05 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: But... - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW This isn't Java. To install Oracle's Java on Gentoo, simply emerge dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin and you're set.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/26/2012 08:16 AM, Dale wrote: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b Hi Dale, I used ixquick for a while, but then I switched to www.ecosia.org and I think you could like it. Timo - -- PGP-Key: 0x1629EE0B (http://xenolabs.net/pubkey.asc) Key fingerprint: AC8D 516C 3DF3 9978 4F5D A3DE 5279 72DD 1629 EE0B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPIUjPAAoJELmObhH3xcWzNaUIAMgyxZ82+qsO/sK/oa/BTuzF I1XHIV2BJLehlqcektzn0+6KmuD7kfuu9gRS+NwIjikH4LJnjaen0wKO+awZ+j5s +4hXtcfr1pgiSGAHrrThEqBl/JQxsSpzXAS8kliM3eQDpqE3PbFz51YcaCzmWDR1 A7EVvFMNxoLBbGzpjJB+DjCer1Vh1MZ9aZ0fJXMw5QNGfdaFq1NjF1HmA/RM8XXM o1MbFywqH99gxFWU3tLZfUOlAm6xtAyzN1CUMkhvkoc4IHH6rmK0dylVhCQe5nnM NkFSNUH+awv2lQee44GRXMhF8chiDTiKMfRh0HeGJOYT1P33cMg/0xFVLhCwFOY= =kZBq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 11:33:14 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:07:51 +, Mick wrote: BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. They can track a lot more than IP addresses, your browser can provide a lot of information, not just user-agent but installed fonts, plugin information and much more. There is enough to do a damn good job of identifying you even when your IP address changes. It is certainly simple to see if you are one user or two. Not necessarily without making some broad assumptions. For example two different users could be using the same machine and OS and browser; or same user could be using same machine, but different browser; or different users using different machines with same OS browser, etc. So extrapolating the user profile from browser headers is unreliable. Of course Google may only be interested in getting right most of the time in which case they may use such info - although I have not found any references that they actually do. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:56:49 +, Mick wrote: They can track a lot more than IP addresses, your browser can provide a lot of information, not just user-agent but installed fonts, plugin information and much more. There is enough to do a damn good job of identifying you even when your IP address changes. It is certainly simple to see if you are one user or two. Not necessarily without making some broad assumptions. For example two different users could be using the same machine and OS and browser; or same user could be using same machine, but different browser; or different users using different machines with same OS browser, etc. There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. Of course, two people using the same browser on the same computer as the same user would be indistinguishable, which is as good a reason as any to not let anyone else use your browser. So extrapolating the user profile from browser headers is unreliable. Of course Google may only be interested in getting right most of the time in which case they may use such info - although I have not found any references that they actually do. Agreed on both, I was only saying that it can be done, not that it is. Not that Google's profiling of individual's information is that hot anyway. Last year they approached me about a job for which I am completely unqualified - and not just because it meant getting out of bed before 9am :-O -- Neil Bothwick Men who have playful kittens shouldn't sleep in the nude. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
John J. Foster wrote: Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus Do they allow encrypted messages too? I looked at the help pages and I'm pretty sure it does. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 13:50:46 Neil Bothwick wrote: Not that Google's profiling of individual's information is that hot anyway. Last year they approached me about a job for which I am completely unqualified - and not just because it meant getting out of bed before 9am :-O Ha, ha! A very nice lady approached me too (admitted to having harvested my address from the Gentoo M/L) but run away when I told her that the only way I would share my CV details with Google would be via a person to person meeting in their London offices and the amount of income I would expect for a job there. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 01/26/2012 02:05 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: But... - Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW This isn't Java. To install Oracle's Java on Gentoo, simply emerge dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin and you're set. Yes, do: $ echo dev-java/oracle-jdk-bin Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE /etc/portage/package.license $ emerge -f oracle-jdk-bin and portage will tell you from which Oracle webpage you can manully download java. Put the file in distfiles and emerge it. The only drawback: periodically you have to repeat the manual download. -- Andrés Becerra Sandoval
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. It looks like the biggest culprits appear to be the available font list and the browser plugin set. Stick to as close-to-core a set of fonts as possible, and that'll likely help. Also disable any plugins you don't need. (FWIW, using the incognito window reduced the number of bits listed in both Browser Plugin Details and system Fonts, and reduced the visible volume of data for Browser Plugin Details by about a third.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] IPv6 usage patterns (static, DHCPv6, RA, mDNS, ?)
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: As you may have gathered from my posts yesterday, I'm working on adding IPv6 to an embedded device (actually a family of serial device servers). I've got the device working fine with link-local addressing, but I'm not sure what the next phase should be. While some of our customers are asking for IPv6 support, I'm pretty sure almost none of those asking are actually using IPv6 nor do they have any plans to do so in the near future. They're either trying to satisfy a feature checklist handed down from on high (where somebody read an airline magazine article about IPv6), or they think that maybe, someday, somehow, IPv6 might be useful (but they have no idea when or how). It is unheard of for these devices to have a routable address, and they're often on small networks that have no connectivity to the outside world at all. Very occasionally they will be accessed via a corporate WAN that involves routing betwen multple subnets. But, they are pretty much never accessed from The Internet nor do they access The Internet. The existing devices are used probably half the time with Ethernet MAC addressing only (no IP). When they're used with IPv4 it's 99% static addressing with the other 1% using DHCP. It's also probably relevent that the devices doesn't use a DNS server. Judging by the lack of support in many apps, I'm assuming people aren't going to be using IPv6 link-local addressing (though it corresponds very nicely to our currently common use-case involving MAC addressing). What I'm wondering about is what are the most likely use cases for IPv6 address configuration? 1) Almost all our customers who are using IPv4 use static addressing. Do people configure static IPv6 addresses in devices? When you enable IPv6 forwarding in the Linux kernel, another /proc/sys/net/ipv6/ node gets tweaked which causes interfaces to stop listening to RAs. Consequentially, Linux machines running as routers tend to get their IPv6 addresses statically configured. With client network nodes, manual configuration of static addresses is very unusual. With network appliances...I don't know. Probably static, except for some cases like printers where common names seem to have good IPv6 support, and pick up addresses from RAs. (For the love of God, people, put a firewall on your gateway. You should be, anyway, but it's more important now.) 2) Is IPv6 router announcement sufficient for some common use cases? In a dual-stack environment, yes. Clients can pick up configuration details like DNS from IPv4 DHCP, which works fine for retrieving information about IPv6 hosts' DNS records. Windows machines won't pick up DNS details from RAs (Microsoft wants everyone to go with DHCPv6, so they've dragged their heels there), but it's my understanding that Linux machines can. (I don't know the details. that's something I should probably study before Penguicon.) Also, dual-stack environments are the ideal configuration environment; no client network should be *pure* IPv6 at this point. 3) Is DHPCv6 commonly used? It's expected that DHCPv6 will be commonly used, particularly in large and/or enterprise environments, as DHCP can push more configuration details than RAs can. Also, stateful address assignment one of very few ways to update DNS based on DHCP client requests. 4) The device doesn't use DNS and doesn't have a hostname, so there's nothing to do regarding mDNS, right? mDNS is all about other machines being able to find the device. If you want the device to broadcast its location for, e.g. configuration, monitoring or diagnostic purposes, you may care. I think I have to implment someting besides link-local addressing, and I'm wondering what... The ULA approach discussed in the other thread might work well for you. Just make sure you can leave all that configurable for the diligent admin. Hm. It occurs to me...if these serial servers have more than one serial port per device, you might consider giving each port its own IP address. You might be able to abuse IPv6 privacy extensions' temporary addresses for the purpose, just leaving the addresses not-so-temporary. If I needed a multiport IP-to-serial adapter, that'd be a feature I'd love to have. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:12:43 +, Mick wrote: Not that Google's profiling of individual's information is that hot anyway. Last year they approached me about a job for which I am completely unqualified - and not just because it meant getting out of bed before 9am :-O Ha, ha! A very nice lady approached me too (admitted to having harvested my address from the Gentoo M/L) but run away when I told her that the only way I would share my CV details with Google would be via a person to person meeting in their London offices and the amount of income I would expect for a job there. My first reaction was, why would Google need a CV from me, surely they already know more about me than my mother does? Clearly they don't. At first I thought it was some type of scam, but several checks confirmed that it was a valid approach and I ended up speaking to them by phone, at a time that put them in California. -- Neil Bothwick Use Colgate toothpaste or end up with teeth like a Ferengi. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:05:25 +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ That's the one, I'll try to remember to make a note of the URL this time. -- Neil Bothwick Ubuntu is an ancient African word, meaning I can't configure Slackware. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 07:59 AM, Dale wrote: John J. Foster wrote: Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus Do they allow encrypted messages too? I looked at the help pages and I'm pretty sure it does. Thanks. Dale Have sent any for quite some time (2-3 years), but it should work just fine. http://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_security.html
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:05:25 +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ That's the one, I'll try to remember to make a note of the URL this time. Mnemonic: It's a reference to the Panopticon, which was a model of prison designed to make inmates behave by being aware that they were constantly being watched. Derives from 'pan' (all) 'opti' (sight/seeing). So, pan-opti-click becomes all seeing click. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 08:22 AM, John J. Foster wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 07:59 AM, Dale wrote: John J. Foster wrote: Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus Do they allow encrypted messages too? I looked at the help pages and I'm pretty sure it does. Thanks. Dale Have sent any for quite some time (2-3 years), but it should work just fine. http://www.fastmail.fm/help/overview_security.html uh, happy fingers - I meant haven't sent any
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. I get almost the same numbers with just using NoScript and Flashblock. (And the above result when I allow the Java applet and JavaScript). This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. (Even though some sites obviously don't work without it, such as video portals, most of them still do, albeit some gt a borked layout from it). -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. The power of water is so great, that even the strongest man cannot hold it. pgpB9TJj2ZpI7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:59:57AM -0600, Dale wrote: John J. Foster wrote: Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus Do they allow encrypted messages too? I looked at the help pages and I'm pretty sure it does. What's encrypted mail to a service provider anyway? Just a bunch of text that only humans can't decipher. If they would disallow it, they'd have to look at the mails' content (like google does for ads) in order to recognise them. This would disqualify them as a trustworthy provider in the first place. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Everything has its two sides. But a quadrangle has three. pgpMOGmMjdmaW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. Within our dataset of visitors, one in 0 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys INF bits of identifying information. I think I broke it. I win? :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. I get almost the same numbers with just using NoScript and Flashblock. (And the above result when I allow the Java applet and JavaScript). This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. (Even though some sites obviously don't work without it, such as video portals, most of them still do, albeit some gt a borked layout from it). FWIW, I'm not using NoScript or Flashblock, only an Adblock. And Chrome blocked the Java applet both in the normal and incognito modes. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. Within our dataset of visitors, one in 0 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys INF bits of identifying information. I think I broke it. I win? :) Who knows? You may have only broken you way of seeing the results. ^^ -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Within our dataset of visitors, one in 0 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys INF bits of identifying information. I think I broke it. I win? :) Sweet, panopticlick.eff.org got gentoo'd :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 16:04:45 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. I get almost the same numbers with just using NoScript and Flashblock. (And the above result when I allow the Java applet and JavaScript). This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. (Even though some sites obviously don't work without it, such as video portals, most of them still do, albeit some gt a borked layout from it). I get better results with Opera (with everything other than Cookies enabled): only one in 215,475 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 17.72 bits of identifying information. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On 26 January 2012 16:18, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Within our dataset of visitors, one in 0 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys INF bits of identifying information. I think I broke it. I win? :) Sweet, panopticlick.eff.org got gentoo'd :) I wouldn't find it at all surprising if gentoo systems came out pretty unique; no standard set of fonts, for example.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. To be honest, I already assumed they were doing this tracking all along... I think Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook etc. will track you everywhere you go, too, if they can. The credit card companies have been doing this for years. Buy a lot of dog food at the grocery store with your Visa card? Get Alpo junk mail in your mailbox... Me, I use Chromium for using social media sites or Google services that I want to log-in to. Google+, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. I don't use it for anything else. I use Firefox for everything else. I am not logged into any of those services in Firefox. I use RequestPolicy to block all third-party content unless I explicitly allow it. I also use noscript, adblock, flashblock, cookie monster. Everything is blocked by default except same-site images. My Firefox is like the armored tank of web browsing: big and slow and sometimes it crashes, but I feel safe inside it. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: An answer from a different Walter G... I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. [...deletia...] I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. I'll throw the question back to you. What specific benefits do you see? Not just generalities, but real life benfits, please. Bluetooth headset,configured with two or three clicks of a mouse. And then reroute the sound of Skype (or whatever app) to the headset while nice background music still plays on the speakers. Sound daemons in general seem to be solutions in search of a problem. And if they couldn't find any problems to solve, they'd make up some new ones of their own. I remember the first I heard of pulseaudio was all the weeping and moaning of people on this forum and the GTALUG (Toronto area linux mailing list) trying to get sound working again after installing pulseaudio. Have you tried PulseAudio lately? I haven't heard complains in a long time. Remember arts and esd? They went the way of HAL. Yeah, because they sucked. Pulse doesn't (haven't in a long time; almost all the complains were made years ago). The architecture of esd and aRts was wrong from the beginning; not necessarily the fault of the devs, they were the first tries at a sound daemon. Pulse (which was PolypAudio before) learn from those mistakes and then it had its own set of evolving pains (that's when a lot of people, specially using distributions packaging before time, complained about it). HAL was different; it was to please the lets be portable crowd. IMHO, it was doomed from the beginning. Nuff said. The thing to remember is that humans cannot multitask audio very well. Try listening to 2 radio stations at once, and see what I mean. Well, I talk with Skype and listen to background music all the time (see above). And kids these days seem to be able to handle more data streams at the same time; just some days ago I saw a 15yo cousin of mine chatting on Skype while she heard background music *and* watched and listened to a music video on YouTube. Maybe this shiny new stuff is not for the old guys like us. But I certainly like it; I love my blueetooth headset, and it just works with PulseAudio and Bluez (and GNOME on top of them). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Me, I use Chromium for using social media sites or Google services that I want to log-in to. Google+, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. I don't use it for anything else. I use Firefox for everything else. I am not logged into any of those services in Firefox. I use RequestPolicy to block all third-party content unless I explicitly allow it. I also use noscript, adblock, flashblock, cookie monster. Everything is blocked by default except same-site images. My Firefox is like the armored tank of web browsing: big and slow and sometimes it crashes, but I feel safe inside it. :) I have a setup similar to this. I use chromium on my main user for gmail and other services that I often use and I want to stay logged in. Main difference is that I have another user just for browsing everything else. I used to have simply another firefox profile on my main user, but recently I decided to set a completely different user for what *I'd like to be* safe browsing. On this user I use Firefox with NoScript, Flashblock, AdBlocker, plus it is set up to be in incognito mode by default. The Flash cache is disabled also. With this user I do not login in any site. I'm sick of all these policies about tracking users and this constant siege to privacy. For this very reason I don't have a facebook profile. I used to trust Google, but in recent years has become increasingly intrusive. Maybe slightly OT, but what do gentoo-users think about Tor? Lorenzo -- Nothing is interesting if you're not interested.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 17:11:39 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Me, I use Chromium for using social media sites or Google services that I want to log-in to. Google+, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. I don't use it for anything else. I use Firefox for everything else. I am not logged into any of those services in Firefox. I use RequestPolicy to block all third-party content unless I explicitly allow it. I also use noscript, adblock, flashblock, cookie monster. Everything is blocked by default except same-site images. My Firefox is like the armored tank of web browsing: big and slow and sometimes it crashes, but I feel safe inside it. :) I have a setup similar to this. I use chromium on my main user for gmail and other services that I often use and I want to stay logged in. Main difference is that I have another user just for browsing everything else. I used to have simply another firefox profile on my main user, but recently I decided to set a completely different user for what *I'd like to be* safe browsing. On this user I use Firefox with NoScript, Flashblock, AdBlocker, plus it is set up to be in incognito mode by default. The Flash cache is disabled also. With this user I do not login in any site. I'm sick of all these policies about tracking users and this constant siege to privacy. For this very reason I don't have a facebook profile. I used to trust Google, but in recent years has become increasingly intrusive. Maybe slightly OT, but what do gentoo-users think about Tor? It's alright for hiding your IP address, BUT anyone can set up a Tor server and harvest unencrypted info that flies across the wire. It's OK if you are connecting to https websites though. You'll also need some secure DNS server if you don't want the addresses you're visiting to show up (at least at your ISP's DNS repeater). The other problem I found is that over the years it has become extremely slow. I don't know if it is being flooded by kiddies using bittorrents. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe slightly OT, but what do gentoo-users think about Tor? As an anonymising proxy, in my opinion, I consider it to be the most hostile network one could ever use. I would only use Tor from within a virtual machine that contains no other data. Ensure you are not passing logins, cookies, credit card numbers, anything useful to bad guys is of utmost importance. I would encrypt everything prior to sending, if possible. Validate SSL fingerprints first off-network to avoid MITM attacks. If you're looking at it from the standpoint of hidden services, with good end-to-end security maybe it would be a little safer than using it to browse the open internet... I think something like Freenet, in concept, would be even more secure since it is decentralized, does not touch the open WWW at all, and nobody has to host content on a server, but in practice the bandwidth requirements are insane, and the moral ambiguity of hosting content that is not yours and could be objectionable. The terabytes of UDP traffic every month will probably draw unwanted attention to you, too... Of course, people where the government is more of a threat than Tor hackers/poisonous nodes might be willing to live with those risks. BTW, on my servers, I receive a lot of exploit attempts from Tor exit nodes. This could also give plausible deniability to black hats: Oh, I didn't do this illegal stuff, I was running as a Tor exit node, it could have been anyone!
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Am 26.01.2012 11:07, schrieb Mick: On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 08:48:28 Michael Mathurin wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers -across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpis rc=al_comboNE_b For an alternative search engine you should have a look at DuckDuckGo I've used it in the past and it has a pretty impressive set of features. As for e-mail I've heard good things about FastMail. Hushmail used to be a good one but I'm not sure how they stand today. I've used Fastmail for years and is a very reliable email provider. It does not have the storage allowance of Gmail on its free account, so space will run out unless you start deleting messages. Also, unless you pay you are only allowed to access messages via webmail and IMAP4, not POP3. There are options for webmail scrapers or archiving of messages via mail clients, but Fastmail is not Google in terms of access options and features. +1 for Fastmail. I guess the add free service for 5 bucks per year would be sufficient for Dale as he doesn't need much online space when he uses POP3, anyway. BTW, it seems to me that if you access youtube and at the same time search Google without being logged in to any of their portals, they will not be tracking your email for user profiling purposes. They may be logging IP addresses but it could be different users on the same IP address, so advertising results would not be relevant. Delete flash and normal cookies, do not log in to any Google sites and you should be as good with their tracking of your habits as you always were. This made me thinking: Does anyone out there use different browsers for different services? Like using Chrome only for GMail, Youtube and G+, Opera for Facebook and Firefox for normal browsing? I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
From: Frank Steinmetzger [mailto:war...@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:05 AM This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. Of course, by using NoScript and FlashBlock when most people no longer do so, you are making yourself *more* unique and *more* trackable by Google's standards. :) --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 09:18:03 schrieb Mick: Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? No idea, but this happens here also. Not annoying yet, but also not restricted to kmail afaict. I click somewhere and loffice starts. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio?
On 2012-01-26 12:22, Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm not opening up a debate and preparing an argument, I really want to know what you think about this matter. I apologize for butting in... Here's what *I* think about it (well, this is not about Pulseaudio specifically but I'm sure you'll get the idea): https://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/6bbe9d07876c92f5 To be clear: If I ever need something then it should be *complementary* to what I already have. It can also be noted that Pulseaudio will not even utilise the hardware I own to it's fullest: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.html If I would ever need a sound router I would check out Jack but that requires a bit of fiddling as I understand it. Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 18:09:16 Florian Philipp wrote: This made me thinking: Does anyone out there use different browsers for different services? Like using Chrome only for GMail, Youtube and G+, Opera for Facebook and Firefox for normal browsing? Yes, I use Chromium --incognito to check some financial websites, Firefox with private browsing to do my banking and log in to work remotely (Citrix SSL VPN) and Opera for very much everything else because of its speed and configurability (although these days most browsers have caught up with Opera in most respects). I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Ha! I didn't know that FF can handle different profiles! I better read on this now. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 09:18:03 schrieb Mick: Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? No idea, but this happens here also. Not annoying yet, but also not restricted to kmail afaict. I click somewhere and loffice starts. I remember having this happen under StarOffice way back on Win95. Sounds like you've got to re-select your preferred application handlers. I don't know the process for this in KDE. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 18:09:16 Florian Philipp wrote: This made me thinking: Does anyone out there use different browsers for different services? Like using Chrome only for GMail, Youtube and G+, Opera for Facebook and Firefox for normal browsing? Yes, I use Chromium --incognito to check some financial websites, Firefox with private browsing to do my banking and log in to work remotely (Citrix SSL VPN) and Opera for very much everything else because of its speed and configurability (although these days most browsers have caught up with Opera in most respects). I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Ha! I didn't know that FF can handle different profiles! I better read on this now. Pretty much all of the Xulrunner apps can do this. So Firefox, sunbird, thunderbird, seamonkey... -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 26 Jan 2012 18:09:16 Florian Philipp wrote: This made me thinking: Does anyone out there use different browsers for different services? Like using Chrome only for GMail, Youtube and G+, Opera for Facebook and Firefox for normal browsing? Yes, I use Chromium --incognito to check some financial websites, Firefox with private browsing to do my banking and log in to work remotely (Citrix SSL VPN) and Opera for very much everything else because of its speed and configurability (although these days most browsers have caught up with Opera in most respects). I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Ha! I didn't know that FF can handle different profiles! I better read on this now. Pretty much all of the Xulrunner apps can do this. So Firefox, sunbird, thunderbird, seamonkey... And have been able to for at least a decade, back to the Netscape Navigator days, I think... at least Netscape Communicator for sure had it, since roaming profiles was its big feature.
Re: [gentoo-user] Clicking on URLs in kmail-1.13.7 launches libreoffice
Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 14:51:45 schrieb Michael Mol: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Am Donnerstag, 26. Januar 2012, 09:18:03 schrieb Mick: Over the last couple of weeks I noticed that when I click on a URL in an email I get libreoffice launching a few seconds after Konqueror has opened up the URL. I think this started happening after the recent update of KDE to 4.7.4 and after the initial what the ... it is now becoming annoying. Have you noticed anything similar? Any ideas how I could fix this? No idea, but this happens here also. Not annoying yet, but also not restricted to kmail afaict. I click somewhere and loffice starts. I remember having this happen under StarOffice way back on Win95. Sounds like you've got to re-select your preferred application handlers. I don't know the process for this in KDE. Already checked those. Nothing suspicious in there. Sometimes loffice even starts when I click on my (empty) desktop, in the url bar of firefox or in some empty area of an application, where no preferred application would be started. Happens about once a week and I click a lot, so I don't care too much :) Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:16, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: There is actually a huge amount of information available, giving a high level of pseudo-uniqueness. There was a web site that showed you how much it could glean from even an anonymous session, but I can't remember where is was. Somewhere like the EFF. I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Use Stallman's way [1] Seriously, I am not concerned with Google's policy change, it affects absolutely nothing on my online life. I keep using their services cause I find them the best to use, I would change otherwise. Its the same reason I run Windows on my HTPC, and Linux at work and my netbook, efficiency. If you worry too much, you end up insane. [1] http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:52:47 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you could achieve the same using different user profiles. For example `firefox --no-remote -P google` and `firefox --no-remote -P default`. Ha! I didn't know that FF can handle different profiles! I better read on this now. Pretty much all of the Xulrunner apps can do this. So Firefox, sunbird, thunderbird, seamonkey... Chromium can do it too, with --user-data-dir=DIR -- Neil Bothwick IBM: I Blame Microsoft signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] weird problem with missing docs during emerge
Hi all, a few days ago i had to reinstall my gentoo box. while doing so, various ebuilds failed while trying to copy some documentation. I don't have the doc use flag enabled, so i found it weird that emerge was looking for it. My temporary fix was to enable the doc flag on a per package basis, but i wanted to file a bug report about it. Now, i went back in checking those ebuilds, i unmerged them, and then run emerge with the -doc useflag ( USE=-doc emerge -av package) and they don't fail anymore. So my question is, should i still file a bug report? if so, what should mention in the description? D
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:12:39 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:12:43 +, Mick wrote: Not that Google's profiling of individual's information is that hot anyway. Last year they approached me about a job for which I am completely unqualified - and not just because it meant getting out of bed before 9am :-O Ha, ha! A very nice lady approached me too (admitted to having harvested my address from the Gentoo M/L) but run away when I told her that the only way I would share my CV details with Google would be via a person to person meeting in their London offices and the amount of income I would expect for a job there. My first reaction was, why would Google need a CV from me, surely they already know more about me than my mother does? Clearly they don't. At first I thought it was some type of scam, but several checks confirmed that it was a valid approach and I ended up speaking to them by phone, at a time that put them in California. I've been contacted, and interviewed by phone, by Google TWICE. Both times the person said straight up they read gentoo-users shrug Turns out this list and local LUGs are by far the best way to find good Linux talent. You can't hide where you are really at anymore after posting here for a few months -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
My first reaction was, why would Google need a CV from me, surely they already know more about me than my mother does? Clearly they don't. Of course they do! They just wanted you to confirm what they know about you. Who knows, maybe you lied when you posted a story on facebook where you told people that you once fought 15 terrorists from Mars - on a bus that would explode when going slower than 50mph - while saving a little girls life by performing open heart surgery with a steak knife and a paper clip...
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:47:18 +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote: My first reaction was, why would Google need a CV from me, surely they already know more about me than my mother does? Clearly they don't. Of course they do! They just wanted you to confirm what they know about you. Who knows, maybe you lied when you posted a story on facebook where you told people that you once fought 15 terrorists from Mars - on a bus that would explode when going slower than 50mph - while saving a little girls life by performing open heart surgery with a steak knife and a paper clip... Sorry, you lost me when you got to facebook... -- Neil Bothwick How is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 07:59:57AM -0600, Dale wrote: John J. Foster wrote: Dale - I've been using Fastmail since 2005. Absolutely no issues at all. I do pay for the enhanced account. Good luck festus Do they allow encrypted messages too? I looked at the help pages and I'm pretty sure it does. What's encrypted mail to a service provider anyway? Just a bunch of text that only humans can't decipher. If they would disallow it, they'd have to look at the mails' content (like google does for ads) in order to recognise them. This would disqualify them as a trustworthy provider in the first place. Well, I didn't think there was a difference but I wanted to make certain since I just set up PGP and all that stuff. I didn't want to have to change again later on if it didn't either. Now I know. I'm reading all the other replies still. Sort of tied up a bit. Patience. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:14 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. I get almost the same numbers with just using NoScript and Flashblock. (And the above result when I allow the Java applet and JavaScript). This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. (Even though some sites obviously don't work without it, such as video portals, most of them still do, albeit some gt a borked layout from it). FWIW, I'm not using NoScript or Flashblock, only an Adblock. And Chrome blocked the Java applet both in the normal and incognito modes. To turn this on its head ... rather than hiding, is there a way to create identical browsers that pollute their (google et al.) databases? Perhaps a read only VM with a standard fit out? (noscript etc. - basically a sandboxed browser for the paranoid!) or does such a thing already exist? BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thursday 26 January 2012 21:29:05 Alan McKinnon wrote: I've been contacted, and interviewed by phone, by Google TWICE. Both times the person said straight up they read gentoo-users shrug I was contacted too, but I think they were swayed by my sig. Anyway, no further contact once I told them a bit about myself. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:38 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:14 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: I guess you mean https://panopticlick.eff.org/ My results from work: Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 1,939,102 tested so far. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 20.89 bits of identifying information. Funny, I get exactly the same thing except add one to the large number. I guess you tested before I did. How does one avoid this but still have sites work? Well, I just went to the same site using a Chrome 'incognito' browser, and got this: Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 969,560 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours. Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 19.89 bits of identifying information. I get almost the same numbers with just using NoScript and Flashblock. (And the above result when I allow the Java applet and JavaScript). This backs me up in using noscript and flashblock. Sometimes I doubt myself when I get asked once more why I would use NoScript in times when most of the web relies on JS. I then say that privacy and comfort is more important to me than having to allow JS on a site from time to time. (Even though some sites obviously don't work without it, such as video portals, most of them still do, albeit some gt a borked layout from it). FWIW, I'm not using NoScript or Flashblock, only an Adblock. And Chrome blocked the Java applet both in the normal and incognito modes. To turn this on its head ... rather than hiding, is there a way to create identical browsers that pollute their (google et al.) databases? Perhaps a read only VM with a standard fit out? (noscript etc. - basically a sandboxed browser for the paranoid!) or does such a thing already exist? Sure. Boot an Ubuntu live CD and use the browser in there. And forget all the fancy plugins. For how panopticlick works, their presence will say more about you then their absence. Your target needs to be having as simple, generic a setup as possible. Disabling features which come enabled by default sets you apart. Adding fonts to the system, or adding plugins to the browser, or enabling extensions, or having an unusual operating platform show up in your User-Agent--all of it. Every customization you make makes you more unique. It's much the same as dressing the same as everyone else outside; it's called keeping a low profile. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] OT: Lightweight commandline flatfile database
Rather than keep music on my hard drive, I'm going the cloud route by keeping a list of my favourite Youtube clips. Ideally, I'd like something that I can activate from the command line, and even launch Firefox. sqlite is overkill in terms of features/size. Is there something smaller. It does *NOT* have to be SQL. I'd prefer a text mode program. I'd prefer not to keep a list in a spreadsheet. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)
On 01/26/2012 03:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW This isn't Java. Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup an Oracle database too. Is it really that complicated for that particular software? -- RMA.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com writes: I wouldn't find it at all surprising if gentoo systems came out pretty unique; no standard set of fonts, for example. So maybe if you change your fonts regularly it might not be able to track you - thinking that you are actually multiple different people.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Dale wrote: Hi list, I ran across this news item about Google: http://alturl.com/s7xi5 The long URL is below. I'm sort of getting to where I don't like Google since they seem to be doing things that I'm just not comfy with. Next they will want a camera on my rig so they can watch me surf. I found a search engine that may work. It is here: www.ixquick.com Does anyone have a better search tool? I don't like Yahoo either. I do like froogle so that would be a bonus. You know, shopping tool. Now to my next issue. I'm thinking about switching emails too. Yea, everyone on here knows my addy but I bet most can recognize my posts anyway. Plus, if the init thingy goes south, well, it happens. Anyway, what is a nice stable email account server that allows pop access, Seamonkey as the email program, that is not tracking everything or nosey as heck? Free would be nice but I would pay something inexpensive on a yearly basis if it is really good. I think Yahoo has this but ain't they sort of like Google already? Plus, I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo is going to last or make similar changes itself. I'm sort of getting tired of switching emails every time I switch ISPs or there is a policy change. That is why I switched to gmail in the first place. No matter what ISP I use, I can still use Gmail. Yet, here I am again. Thoughts? Suggestions? Dale :-) :-) Long URL just in case the shorty above doesn't work. It may be broken tho. Copy and paste alert. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNE_b OK. This has gotten a LOT of replies with lots of interesting info. I have another question along the same lines. What about using a VPN? I been messing with tor and Firefox but if I try to watch a video or something that has any length to it, it gets rather iffy. I found this: www.vpn4all.com I don't think it works with Linux but it was interesting to read about just for the information. From my understanding, people can't read your traffic and they can't tell anything about you as far as location. I know google can do this because when I type in certain things, it all comes up for local stuff. If I do the same in Firefox with tor turned on, it gets rather weird. Stuff from Africa was showing up one time and later on it looked like German stuff. When I checked my IP and did a whois, it was in other countries. What are thoughts on this sort of thing? Anything better than tor out there? Am I getting paranoid or do people really watch us and collect data on us? :/ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: advice about Gentoo (Oracle, Java, VMWare...)
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:19:38 +0300 Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 01/26/2012 03:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Installing Oracle's Java is not so easy: http://goo.gl/tbBFW This isn't Java. Yes, sorry, this is not Java, it's Oracle DB, but I'll have to setup an Oracle database too. Is it really that complicated for that particular software? Dude, It's Oracle. Yes, everything they have works that complicatedly. If you think installing it is complex, wait till you actually try to *use* it. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
