Re: [gentoo-user] lost wireless network
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:49:33 +1100, Adam Carter wrote There were a few kernels that broke iwlagn. Iirc it was 3.1.5 and 3.1.6. So i'd suggest you stick to troubleshooting on a kernel you know has previously worked, or a very recent one. Well, that's the problem, it doesn't work on last working one too :-( I've been using tuxonice-sources-2.6.38-r1 and it worked about 6 months ago, but not it doesn't :-( Thanks Pat Freehosting PIPNI - http://www.pipni.cz/
[gentoo-user] netmount vs. nfsmount
Hi, I have noticed that I have two init scripts for mounting NFS filesystems, netmount from sys-apps/openrc and nfsmount from net-fs/nfs-utils. At the moment I have both of them in my default bootlevel but I think that just one of them would be enough, am I right? And if so, which one should I choose (which is more up to date). I am mainly using NFSv4. Regards, -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! ***
Re: [gentoo-user] netmount vs. nfsmount
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:51:02 +0100 Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote: Hi, I have noticed that I have two init scripts for mounting NFS filesystems, netmount from sys-apps/openrc and nfsmount from net-fs/nfs-utils. At the moment I have both of them in my default bootlevel but I think that just one of them would be enough, am I right? And if so, which one should I choose (which is more up to date). I am mainly using NFSv4. Regards, netmount explicitly refers to nfsmount by name in start(), checking if nfsmount has done it's thing then taking appropriate action. netmount comes from openrc which is rather new and had a large overhaul before finally being released. This implies it's a deliberate action by the devs to have both there. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 05:26:28 Grant wrote: I'd like to have multiple users working from separate monitors, keyboards, and mice, but all connected to a single Gentoo computer. The main purpose is to minimize sys admin duties but hardware and power requirements would also be minimized. Apparently this is called multiseat and native support in Xorg might not be ready for primetime: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap There is a configuration tool for Xorg multiseat called MDM: http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm but from what I've read it isn't ideal. Besides Xorg multiseat I've read about LTSP and a few others: http://www.ltsp.org http://www.thinstation.org http://automseat.sourceforge.net http://www.openthinclient.org There are also a lot of proprietary options. Is LTSP the way to go? It may be, but as with all thin client models you would need a terminal computer for each user. If you only have one machine and monitors, keyboards and mice for each user then you'll need multiple video cards (and a strong power supply) for your only PC. In this case something like http://automseat.sourceforge.net may be more appropriate. However, I have not used anything like this set up to offer an opinion on performance. At work we use thin clients running Debian to serve MSWindows server desktop and apps to users. This setup uses the Citrix ica protocol, but I'm thinking that FreeNX coupled with VNC or relevant KDE or Gnome remote desktop implementation would probably work nicely and offer LAN and remote connection security at the same time. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: urlview+Firefox 9 not co-operating
Am 29.01.2012 03:36, schrieb Walter Dnes:
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:53:11PM -0600, ??Q?? wrote
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:35:46 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:08:12AM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote
Add --no-remote to firefox's parameters.
^^
-no-remote
^
I did notice that, and tried it both ways. No difference.
Do you get the same error if you try
$ /usr/bin/firefox -P default -new-window http://www.gentoo.org;
without using urlview?
Yes and No! I've solved the problem, but this is weird; really really
weird. Let me explain. I use ICEWM window manager. For the firefox
launchbar command I have always used...
/usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1050 -P default -no-remote
and manually opened new windows with {CTRL-N}. Urlview was always able
to lauch a new window. But now if one firefox window is opened with
-no-remote, I can *NOT* programatically open any more new Firefox
windows. That includes urlview and your commandline example *EVEN IF I
USE -new-window TO OPEN ADDITIONAL WINDOWS*. Only the manual {CTRL-N}
command works.
After some trial and error, I changed ICEWM's launchbar command to
/usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1050 -P default -new-window
Now I can open new windows all over the place with Urlview and your
commandline example. Problem solved. ***ALWAYS USE new-window***.
Computers never cease to amaze me. Can you pop open 2 xterms and try
the following? The first pair should work...
in xterm 1 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.gentoo.org;
in xterm 2 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.cnn.com;
Now close both Firefox windows and try...
in xterm 1 == /usr/bin/firefox -no-remote http://www.gentoo.org;
in xterm 2 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.cnn.com;
The first firefox opens, but the second one fails.
It kind-of makes sense. -no-remote apparently does not only deactivate
the attach-to-other-process functionality but also the
be-ready-that-others-attach-to-you function. So the second firefox
tries to attach to the first but that doesn't react, therefore it panics.
Regards,
Florian Philipp
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[gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...
Currently poppler-0.18.1 (keyworded since it was required by libreoffice) is installed on my system and when I sync'ed yesterday Portage wants to downgrade poppler to latest stable -0.16.7 which is not a problem per se (I run a mostly stable system). However looking at the version bump bug report[1] at b.g.o. the links in that report (comment #1) seems bogus (I may have missed something). Does anyone else see it too or have a rational explanation for it? 1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399049 Best regards Peter K
[gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Howdy, I got a friend that wants me to put Linux on his rig. It has a floppy drive and he does use it for files he has on floppies. I haven't used a floppy in a long time. How good is support nowadays? I will be putting KDE on it. Does it sort of automount or anything? Does it function anything like a CD/DVD? If I had a rig with a working floppy, I would just test this myself but the only system I have with one, the floppy drive died a long time ago. The little green light stayed on all the time so I unplugged it. I'm hoping someone here may still have one of these and can shed some light on this. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] net-print/cups-1.4.8-r1: samba use flag?
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:24:16 +0100, Niccolò Belli wrote: So I will still be able to print through windows printers shared with the smb protocol? If you could before, you can now. As the bug report says, the samba flag was unused, so removing it makes no difference to the compiled software. -- Neil Bothwick BASIC: (n.) a computer one-word oxymoron. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Dale: I got a friend that wants me to put Linux on his rig. It has a floppy drive and he does use it for files he has on floppies. I haven't used a floppy in a long time. How good is support nowadays? hafi@i5_64 ~ $ mount /mnt/floppy/ mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only Works good as always. Sometimes i look on old treasures. For 5.25 i must use my old machine, because my new one vhas only a 3.5 drive. I will be putting KDE on it. Does it sort of automount or anything? I do not use automount. Or KDE. Or Gnome. Or XFCE... ;) Does it function anything like a CD/DVD? I am mounting a CD/DVD manually too. :-D Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: urlview+Firefox 9 not co-operating
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:36:26 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:53:11PM -0600, ??Q?? wrote
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:35:46 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:08:12AM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote
Add --no-remote to firefox's parameters.
^^
-no-remote
^
I did notice that, and tried it both ways. No difference.
Do you get the same error if you try
$ /usr/bin/firefox -P default -new-window http://www.gentoo.org;
without using urlview?
Yes and No! I've solved the problem, but this is weird; really
really weird. Let me explain. I use ICEWM window manager. For the
firefox launchbar command I have always used...
/usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1050 -P default -no-remote
and manually opened new windows with {CTRL-N}. Urlview was always
able to lauch a new window. But now if one firefox window is opened
with -no-remote, I can *NOT* programatically open any more new
Firefox windows.
*EVEN IF I USE -new-window TO OPEN ADDITIONAL WINDOWS*. Only the
manual {CTRL-N} command works.
You never should have been able to. -no-remote was always supposed to
prevent that instance of a Mozilla app from listening to signals from
remote things like xterms or urlview. The mystery here is how you
were able to do it before!
-no-remote has always been discouraged by the Mozilla folks. It's
there so that devs can handle multiple Firefoxen (and Seamonkeys, c.)
with multiple profiles without one clobbering another's profile. (A
properly locked Firefox profile was what got you the running but not
responding message you were getting.)
After some trial and error, I changed ICEWM's launchbar command to
/usr/bin/firefox -width 950 -height 1050 -P default -new-window
Now I can open new windows all over the place with Urlview and your
commandline example. Problem solved. ***ALWAYS USE new-window***.
Can you pop open 2 xterms and try the following? The first pair
should work...
in xterm 1 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.gentoo.org;
in xterm 2 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.cnn.com;
Now close both Firefox windows and try...
in xterm 1 == /usr/bin/firefox -no-remote http://www.gentoo.org;
in xterm 2 == /usr/bin/firefox -new-window http://www.cnn.com;
The first firefox opens, but the second one fails.
You should get the same results if you drop the -new-window arguments.
-new-window and -new-tab just override Firefox's setting for how you
want new pages opened.
As long as you only have one Firefox profile, you can do away with the
-P default argument. If there's a Firefox already running, it's
ignored anyway.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:56:13 +0100 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Currently poppler-0.18.1 (keyworded since it was required by libreoffice) is installed on my system and when I sync'ed yesterday Portage wants to downgrade poppler to latest stable -0.16.7 which is not a problem per se (I run a mostly stable system). However looking at the version bump bug report[1] at b.g.o. the links in that report (comment #1) seems bogus (I may have missed something). Does anyone else see it too or have a rational explanation for it? 1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399049 Best regards Peter K Yes indeed, someone screwed up. Either: The submitter pasted the wrong list of bugs into the report or Forgot to mention that the bug number are not from b.g.o, but from some other bugzilla The first one for example - 288045 - comes from bugs.kde.org meaning the links are wrong -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Hi, have you read googles privacy changes yourself? I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual.
[gentoo-user] JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...
On 2012-01-29 15:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: Yes indeed, someone screwed up. Either: The submitter pasted the wrong list of bugs into the report or Forgot to mention that the bug number are not from b.g.o, but from some other bugzilla The first one for example - 288045 - comes from bugs.kde.org meaning the links are wrong Ok, so I'm not going loco then... great! :-) Thanks for looking it over! Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:16 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc I've run Jack for years on multiprocessor Gentoo systems. I know of no reason why that specific processor wouldn't work. Your best bet for targeted information on this would be the Jack list itself. Folks like Paul Davis and other audio developers are generally there and helpful. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:16 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc I've run Jack for years on multiprocessor Gentoo systems. I know of no reason why that specific processor wouldn't work. Your best bet for targeted information on this would be the Jack list itself. Folks like Paul Davis and other audio developers are generally there and helpful. HTH, Mark BTW - if you go that direction you will probably want to use the Gentoo pro-ausio overlay as it tends to have the more recent versions that the developers want to have you running anyway. Also, I've seen far more complaints over the years WRT Jack having to do with the sound card someone is using (countless) vs the actual processor that a system is biult around. (0, nada, null...)
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
120129 Dale wrote: I got a friend that wants me to put Linux on his rig. It has a floppy drive and he does use it for files he has on floppies. How good is support nowadays? I haven't used diskettes for a couple of years, but when I did, 'mtools' was the pkg I used to use to manage them. Like your other advisor, I never automount devices (with Fluxbox), but goto my Root desktop manually mount them from there. Mtools takes care of all that, however, for diskettes. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...
120129 pk wrote: Currently poppler-0.18.1 (keyworded since it was required by libreoffice) is installed on my system and when I sync'ed yesterday Portage wants to downgrade poppler to latest stable -0.16.7 0.18.1 has been removed from the tree 0.18.3 is the latest Testing. I'm conservative re system + similar pkgs, so still use 0.16.7 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 120129 Dale wrote: I got a friend that wants me to put Linux on his rig. It has a floppy drive and he does use it for files he has on floppies. How good is support nowadays? I haven't used diskettes for a couple of years, but when I did, 'mtools' was the pkg I used to use to manage them. Like your other advisor, I never automount devices (with Fluxbox), but goto my Root desktop manually mount them from there. Mtools takes care of all that, however, for diskettes. mtools is what I recall poking floppies with, too. Well, that and 'superformat'. You can comfortably fit up to 2MB of data onto a 1.44MB IBM Formatted disk. (The common formatting loses a lot to sector spacing overhead and the like.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Corrupted font in gtk apps.
It is wired, because I use KDE and qt apps are ok. I can change the font for gtk but some are displayed wrong. I have tried to play with fontconfig but did not help at all. I have also check the xorg.log and fount that there are included only /usr/share/fonts/100dpi 75dpi and misc. Nothing more. But I see the other fonts like DejaVu in gtk-chtheme or the kde gtk settup. So I think it is not a problem of xorg font loading. And is wired that it happen just week ago, and I did not change any config since that, only do a regular merge of stable updates. Regards, Robert. V Sat, 28 Jan 2012 07:36:04 -0800 walt w41...@gmail.com napsáno: On 01/27/2012 04:23 AM, Robert David wrote: Hi, after recent update I encountered a problem with fonts. They looks ugly and somehow corrupted. I see that in gtk apps I use, but maybe it is also in other apps. I don't have that problem now but when I've seen it in the past it was because Xorg wasn't finding all of the installed fonts for some reason. There may be easier ways to diagnose the problem but I always use the very old x11-apps/xfontsel, which at least will let you know for sure which fonts Xorg is actually seeing, if not the reason for the problem.
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, January 29, 2012 2:16 pm, Dale wrote: snipped The little green light stayed on all the time so I unplugged it. I'm hoping someone here may still have one of these and can shed some light on this. The light staying on could also be because the floppy-flatcable is plugged in incorrectly. Turning it around might be sufficient to make it work again. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Question regarding recent poppler down-/upgrade...
On 2012-01-29 17:12, Philip Webb wrote: 0.18.1 has been removed from the tree 0.18.3 is the latest Testing. I'm conservative re system + similar pkgs, so still use 0.16.7 . Yes, that's clear. It was the links in the bug report that made me wonder... Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: app-text/xpdf
On Saturday 28 Jan 2012 19:38:26 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:06:33PM +, Mick wrote: another application (e.g. a browser) but unlike xpdf I have not found a way of saving a file once opened without having to redownload it with the browser. I'd look into /tmp, it'll probably be there. It used to be the case that FF would drop temporary downloads in /tmp, but I can't find them in there any more. This is of particular interest for some flash videos which after I watched them I decide to save them, but can't find them anywhere. Ditto with Chromium, not idea where it saves such temporary files. [getting OT regarding xpdf] Yes, that's the flash plugin. It creates a file and then immediately deletes it again. But thanks to the open architecture of a Linux system you can get it back by copying from the file handle in /proc. I have a little script for that which I'll attach to this message. It looks for all file handles that link to a (now deleted) file called /tmp/Flash* and restores the link, printing out the filename it thusly recovered. It could be a bit refined by only looking for handles of flash player PIDs, but I guess a human wouldn't perceive the difference anyway. For youtube, I recommend youtube-dl. It lets you select the video format and resolution (as offered), downloads the video and automatically renames the file. Yes, I'm also using xVideoServiceThief for youtube. Thanks for your script! I'll put it through its paces soon. :-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: app-text/xpdf
On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 04:53:44 Philip Webb wrote: 120128 Mick tried to emerge epdfview and it failed: # emerge -uaDv epdfview These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] app-text/epdfview-0.1.6-r1 USE=cups nls -test 397 kB [snip ...] PDFDocument.cxx: In member function ‘virtual ePDFView::DocumentPage* ePDFView::PDFDocument::renderPage(gint)’: PDFDocument.cxx:618:62: error: ‘poppler_page_render_to_pixbuf’ was not declared in this scope PDFDocument.cxx: In member function ‘virtual gboolean ePDFView::PDFDocument::loadFile(const gchar*, const gchar*, GError**)’: PDFDocument.cxx:231:45: warning: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result make[3]: *** [libepdfview_a-PDFDocument.o] Error 1 [snip ...] Do a resync try emerging 0.1.8 , which is what I have. Also, I don't use the 'nls' flag, so try '-nls' too if necessary. Thanks Philip, 0.1.8 emerged successfully with cups and nls. It seems like a lightweight pdf reader that does all I may need (assuming that it doesn't fall over itself on DRM). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Sun, January 29, 2012 2:16 pm, Dale wrote: snipped The little green light stayed on all the time so I unplugged it. I'm hoping someone here may still have one of these and can shed some light on this. The light staying on could also be because the floppy-flatcable is plugged in incorrectly. Turning it around might be sufficient to make it work again. -- Joost It started doing that all on its own without being touched. I'm pretty sure it was trying to spin too. I think something went out and was trying to make it spin all the time. I may have another one out in the shed but I'm not sure. I may have a old junk rig but I don't know whether they work or not. I'm also not sure I have any floppies either. I'm just full of issues on this one. lol Thanks to all for the replies. I'll give those tools a try. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Sun, January 29, 2012 2:16 pm, Dale wrote: snipped The little green light stayed on all the time so I unplugged it. I'm hoping someone here may still have one of these and can shed some light on this. The light staying on could also be because the floppy-flatcable is plugged in incorrectly. Turning it around might be sufficient to make it work again. -- Joost It started doing that all on its own without being touched. I'm pretty sure it was trying to spin too. I think something went out and was trying to make it spin all the time. I may have another one out in the shed but I'm not sure. I may have a old junk rig but I don't know whether they work or not. I'm also not sure I have any floppies either. I'm just full of issues on this one. lol Thanks to all for the replies. I'll give those tools a try. Forgot to mention a couple things earlier: 1) Floppies can go bad from dust accumulation. Sometimes they can be cleaned by jerking the head via software. That was a normal part of the driver in DOS and Windows, IIRC. 2) On PC clones, floppies never had auto-insert detection. (Though maybe you'd get something like that if you used a superfloppy or LS-120 drive to read them) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Sun, January 29, 2012 2:16 pm, Dale wrote: snipped The little green light stayed on all the time so I unplugged it. I'm hoping someone here may still have one of these and can shed some light on this. The light staying on could also be because the floppy-flatcable is plugged in incorrectly. Turning it around might be sufficient to make it work again. -- Joost It started doing that all on its own without being touched. I'm pretty sure it was trying to spin too. I think something went out and was trying to make it spin all the time. I may have another one out in the shed but I'm not sure. I may have a old junk rig but I don't know whether they work or not. I'm also not sure I have any floppies either. I'm just full of issues on this one. lol Thanks to all for the replies. I'll give those tools a try. Forgot to mention a couple things earlier: 1) Floppies can go bad from dust accumulation. Sometimes they can be cleaned by jerking the head via software. That was a normal part of the driver in DOS and Windows, IIRC. 2) On PC clones, floppies never had auto-insert detection. (Though maybe you'd get something like that if you used a superfloppy or LS-120 drive to read them) I'm going to try to talk him into letting my transfer them to CD. Tell him it is time to catch up with new and better things. CD drives has autodetect and just plain work better anyway. At least I know there is a chance. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I'm going to try to talk him into letting my transfer them to CD. Tell him it is time to catch up with new and better things. CD drives has autodetect and just plain work better anyway. At least I know there is a chance. ;-) Dale :-) :-) A single USB thumb drive for $20 would likely hold every floppy he ever made, and maybe 10-20 times more. Why waste time making sorting through CDs, etc? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Hi, have you read googles privacy changes yourself? I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual. I read some more on it but I'm thinking about what will be coming next. It seems when a company goes public like Google did a while back, facebook is about too, they go downhill a bit privacy wise and it is like rolling down a hill. It takes a while but it happens. Thing about me having fastmail or something, it is me voting with my money, not me leaving with no vote against someone else's money. Right now, google is only worried about the money from ads which is something I can't control. If fastmail tries this, when I leave it is my money they lose. Fastmail will think about me not some ad that may or may not be coming. Since I will be a paying customer, I won't have any ads anyway. I am looking into Yandex too. Are they Russian or something? I'm kind of leaning towards them for a couple reasons but trying to figure them out. I'm trying to do this slow and with a deeper knowledge this time so I don't have to go through this again later on. Plus, I just don't like being tracked all over the place anyway. We have a big enough brother already. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
[gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
Hi there! Due to a MAJOR hardware problem I just got a new PC. It has an AMD FX(tm)-4100 Quad-Core Processor which is a lot faster than my previous AMD 4850e dual core machine. I'd like to emerge -e @world with -march=native now, but I think about starting to use that graphite stuff. You know, enabling the graphite USE flag for gcc, and adding -floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -floop-block to the CFLAGS in order to gain some speed by parallelizing stuff or something like that. What are your impressions on this? Is it fun? Will there be a noticeable speed difference? Do packages fail to build? We just had a 'Graphite causing trouble' thread here, the problem was that dev-libs/cloog-ppl has to be rebuilt when dev-libs/ppl has been updated. Can there be other problems, which would make me waste much more time than I could possibly gain by using these optimizations? Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 19:09:59 Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I'm going to try to talk him into letting my transfer them to CD. Tell him it is time to catch up with new and better things. CD drives has autodetect and just plain work better anyway. At least I know there is a chance. ;-) Dale :-) :-) A single USB thumb drive for $20 would likely hold every floppy he ever made, and maybe 10-20 times more. Why waste time making sorting through CDs, etc? I'm coming to this late, but floppies should just work™ and show up under /dev/fd0 or /dev/floppy. I've got an old laptop which has a bay for CDROM or floppy and was able to access a floppy only a couple of months ago. With fluxbox and no automounting I had to run pmount or mount (can't recall now). The only historical problem I recall is when running grub prompt at grub installation time which could spend an inordinate amount of time probing the floppy (using --no-floppy sorts this out). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 19:12:17 Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Hi, have you read googles privacy changes yourself? I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual. I read some more on it but I'm thinking about what will be coming next. It seems when a company goes public like Google did a while back, facebook is about too, they go downhill a bit privacy wise and it is like rolling down a hill. It takes a while but it happens. Thing about me having fastmail or something, it is me voting with my money, not me leaving with no vote against someone else's money. Right now, google is only worried about the money from ads which is something I can't control. If fastmail tries this, when I leave it is my money they lose. Fastmail will think about me not some ad that may or may not be coming. Since I will be a paying customer, I won't have any ads anyway. I am looking into Yandex too. Are they Russian or something? I'm kind of leaning towards them for a couple reasons but trying to figure them out. I'm trying to do this slow and with a deeper knowledge this time so I don't have to go through this again later on. Plus, I just don't like being tracked all over the place anyway. We have a big enough brother already. As far as I can tell all that is changing with Google is they are going to join up in terms of user authentication, hitherto separate portals or apps they had. I do not see a material difference to what is there now. Fastmail, Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, et al, are all public ISPs and are making their money one way or another. It is in their benefit to respect users privacy, but don't for a minute think that your info while in their systems can be deemed as private. Unless you use encryption they can probe it, analyse it, read it, categorise it, etc. Whether it is Google ads bureau, or CIA, or FSB, there is not much of a difference between them as far as the privacy of your data is concerned. I think that you are worrying yourself unnecessarily, although there is no harm in being cautious all the same. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
Am Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:16:08 +0100 schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc Hi, Mark already answered your question, but if you want JACK to *exploit* your cores (under certain circumstances), you probably want JACK2 (version 1.9.x), which is only available in the pro-audio overlay. See also http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2 for an explanation of the differences to JACK1 and http://lac.zkm.de/2005/proceedings.shtml (keyword jackdmp) for an explanation of how it works. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question for old farts. lol
Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I'm going to try to talk him into letting my transfer them to CD. Tell him it is time to catch up with new and better things. CD drives has autodetect and just plain work better anyway. At least I know there is a chance. ;-) Dale :-) :-) A single USB thumb drive for $20 would likely hold every floppy he ever made, and maybe 10-20 times more. Why waste time making sorting through CDs, etc? - Mark H, super point. May suggest that. I got to boot something to see what this rig has in it. It may be a older system. I'm pretty sure I saw USB tho. I bet USB has a better life span than floppies too. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
Alex Schuster wrote, at 01/29/2012 11:23 PM:
What are your impressions on this? Is it fun? Will there be a noticeable
speed difference? Do packages fail to build? We just had a 'Graphite
causing trouble' thread here, the problem was that dev-libs/cloog-ppl
has to be rebuilt when dev-libs/ppl has been updated. Can there be other
problems, which would make me waste much more time than I could
possibly gain by using these optimizations?
i'm using graphite on core-i7 (950), x86_64 since the release of gcc-4.4.5 and
consider it as 'just fun' - i did not observe significant speed difference but
it should depend on a software you're going to 'graphitize'. things installed on
my desktop are mostly for development (emacs, gdb, *sql, php, perl) with trivial
multimedia (mplayer with gnome frontend), a set of web browsers and ordinary
office framework: thunderbird, pidgin and libreoffice
just for reference these are CFLAGS from my /etc/make.conf:
CFLAGS=-O2 -g0 -march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -mpopcnt -msahf \
-ftree-loop-distribution -ftree-loop-linear -mmmx \
-floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -floop-block -pipe
i do not use 'native' flag because that machine acts as distcc server for
several smaller core-ix computers
the only graphite incompatibility i've detected is x11-wm/compiz; however this
is easily worked around using portage environment quirks in
/etc/portage/env/x11-wm/compiz:
CFLAGS=-O2 -g0 -march=core2 -msse4 -mmmx -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
Re: [gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
victor romanchuk writes:
Alex Schuster wrote, at 01/29/2012 11:23 PM:
What are your impressions on this? Is it fun? Will there be a
noticeable speed difference? Do packages fail to build? We just had a
'Graphite causing trouble' thread here, the problem was that
dev-libs/cloog-ppl has to be rebuilt when dev-libs/ppl has been
updated. Can there be other problems, which would make me waste much
more time than I could possibly gain by using these optimizations?
i'm using graphite on core-i7 (950), x86_64 since the release of
gcc-4.4.5 and consider it as 'just fun' - i did not observe significant
speed difference but it should depend on a software you're going to
'graphitize'. things installed on my desktop are mostly for development
(emacs, gdb, *sql, php, perl) with trivial multimedia (mplayer with
gnome frontend), a set of web browsers and ordinary office framework:
thunderbird, pidgin and libreoffice
I'm a KDE user, and it always felt too slow, so I thought about giving
graphite a try. Now, with the new machine, it is faster, and with 16 GB
of RAM swapping no longer occurs. So there is no longer a need for more
optimization, but I'm emerging -e @world anyway, so I think I'll just try
it.
just for reference these are CFLAGS from my /etc/make.conf:
CFLAGS=-O2 -g0 -march=core2 -msse4 -mcx16 -mpopcnt -msahf \
-ftree-loop-distribution -ftree-loop-linear -mmmx \
-floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -floop-block -pipe
i do not use 'native' flag because that machine acts as distcc server
for several smaller core-ix computers
That won't be a problem, unless the machine will be a distcc _client_. In
this case, your CFLAGS will be sent over to the distcc servers, and they
will apply _their_ native settings.
Just make sure the smaller computers don't have -march=native in their
CFLAGS, as they would get code delivered compiled for the i7.
the only graphite incompatibility i've detected is x11-wm/compiz;
however this is easily worked around using portage environment quirks in
/etc/portage/env/x11-wm/compiz:
CFLAGS=-O2 -g0 -march=core2 -msse4 -mmmx -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
I don't use that, but I guess in case I experience strange compile
problems I can always try to avoid those special CFLAGS, and it might
work.
Thanks for your input on this,
Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] About this graphite stuff
last time I played with that I had to pretty much rebuild the system because nothing worked anymore. -- #163933
[gentoo-user] Re: Corrupted font in gtk apps.
On 01/29/2012 08:54 AM, Robert David wrote: I have also check the xorg.log and fount that there are included only /usr/share/fonts/100dpi 75dpi and misc. Nothing more. That's not normal. What does xset -q say about the Font Path? You may be loading some fonts from ~/.fontconfig, too. If you delete or move that directory you may see different results when you start X again.
[gentoo-user] Re: About this graphite stuff
On 01/29/2012 11:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: Do packages fail to build? We just had a 'Graphite causing trouble' thread here, I've read in this group that an occasional package fails when using -j2 or higher (which you will certainly be doing) but that has nothing to do with graphite. I've been using graphite for a long time with no problem whatever. Except for a rare rebuild of cloog-ppl, of course, but I already knew how to bail myself out of that situation, and now you know too :)
[gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On 01/29/2012 12:04 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: A single USB thumb drive for $20 would likely hold every floppy he ever made, and maybe 10-20 times more. Why waste time making sorting through CDs, etc? H, super point. May suggest that. I got to boot something to see what this rig has in it. It may be a older system. I'm pretty sure I saw USB tho. I bet USB has a better life span than floppies too. Boy that's the truth. All of my three (working) old machines still have floppy drives, but my next one won't. And good riddance, too. Last time I made a floppy boot disk (years ago) I had to format about a dozen floppies before I found a good one :p BTW, the floppy drives I have don't send any interrupt when I insert a disk, so automounting is a non starter. Maybe the newer USB external floppy drives do, dunno, but I'm not tempted to try one.
[gentoo-user] Re: JACK on a multiprocessor/-core system
On 01/29/2012 05:16 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, is it possible to successfully run jackd as provided by Gentoo/Emerge/Portage on a multicore system ( AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor ) ? Thank you very much for any help in advance! It runs (of course), but the version in portage is not multi-threaded. For that, you will need JACK2, which is able to use more than just one CPU. You can find it in the pro-audio overlay. But be aware that if you're on a 64-bit Gentoo, the package will break if you have emul-linux-x86-soundlibs installed. I posted a bug about it, along with a fix, but it was not accepted: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399071 You can manually delete the offending files.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 12:04 PM, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: A single USB thumb drive for $20 would likely hold every floppy he ever made, and maybe 10-20 times more. Why waste time making sorting through CDs, etc? H, super point. May suggest that. I got to boot something to see what this rig has in it. It may be a older system. I'm pretty sure I saw USB tho. I bet USB has a better life span than floppies too. Boy that's the truth. All of my three (working) old machines still have floppy drives, but my next one won't. Yeah, I haven't had a box with a floppy drive in quite some time. And good riddance, too. Last time I made a floppy boot disk (years ago) I had to format about a dozen floppies before I found a good one :p FWIW, you could probably have fixed them by using superformat to do a low-level format. And you coulda made yourself some disks capable of holding a whopping *two megabytes!* BTW, the floppy drives I have don't send any interrupt when I insert a disk, so automounting is a non starter. Maybe the newer USB external floppy drives do, dunno, but I'm not tempted to try one. Possibly. Thing is, the spec for floppies which plugged into PC clones didn't really allow for any kind of notification. It just plugged into an MFM controller, which swept the read/write head around to the commands of the host machine. I do know that the USB drives make assumptions about floppy sector/track layouts, which I found to be a bit of a bummer. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Multiseat -- LTSP?
I'd like to have multiple users working from separate monitors, keyboards, and mice, but all connected to a single Gentoo computer. The main purpose is to minimize sys admin duties but hardware and power requirements would also be minimized. Apparently this is called multiseat and native support in Xorg might not be ready for primetime: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap There is a configuration tool for Xorg multiseat called MDM: http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm but from what I've read it isn't ideal. Besides Xorg multiseat I've read about LTSP and a few others: http://www.ltsp.org http://www.thinstation.org http://automseat.sourceforge.net http://www.openthinclient.org There are also a lot of proprietary options. Is LTSP the way to go? It may be, but as with all thin client models you would need a terminal computer for each user. If you only have one machine and monitors, keyboards and mice for each user then you'll need multiple video cards (and a strong power supply) for your only PC. In this case something like http://automseat.sourceforge.net may be more appropriate. However, I have not used anything like this set up to offer an opinion on performance. At work we use thin clients running Debian to serve MSWindows server desktop and apps to users. This setup uses the Citrix ica protocol, but I'm thinking that FreeNX coupled with VNC or relevant KDE or Gnome remote desktop implementation would probably work nicely and offer LAN and remote connection security at the same time. -- Regards, Mick If I throw out installing a separate OS on a separate machine for each workstation and all of the proprietary thin-client protocols, I think I have 3 options: 1. Connect monitors, USB keyboards, and USB mice directly to a server with multiple video cards. I found a motherboard with 6 PCI-E slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508 6 video cards could be installed for 6 workstations if the server goes headless, and even more if multi-headed video cards are used. Xorg requires some special configuration for this but this discussion from 2010 sounds like it's something that is actually done: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-836950-start-0.html These guys got it working in 2006: http://www.linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html 2. Set up a separate thin client for each workstation and run LTSP on the server. This seems inferior to #1 because it requires setting up and maintaining the LTSP server and client configuration, NFS, xinetd, tftp, dnsmasq, and PXE-boot. Bandwidth would also be limited compared to #1 and hardware and power requirements would be much greater. 3. Run a Plugable thin client for each workstation: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004PXPPNA This likely requires running Userful Multiseat Linux on my server which is only packaged up for Ubuntu. The Plugable thin client connects to the server via USB 2.0 which makes me wonder if it could be made to work without Userful Multiseat Linux as a USB video card and input devices, but I imagine drivers for the video card and bandwidth over USB could be a problem. I think #1 is the way to go but I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on that. Has anyone here ever set up multiseat in Xorg? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Corrupted font in gtk apps.
Thanks for your help, I have found the problem. After checking my homedir I observed I have accidently uncommented some old xft stuff in .Xdefaults file. That cause the problem. Robert. V Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:35:42 -0800 walt w41...@gmail.com napsáno: On 01/29/2012 08:54 AM, Robert David wrote: I have also check the xorg.log and fount that there are included only /usr/share/fonts/100dpi 75dpi and misc. Nothing more. That's not normal. What does xset -q say about the Font Path? You may be loading some fonts from ~/.fontconfig, too. If you delete or move that directory you may see different results when you start X again.
[gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. Just got started earlier than most. Also studied history. :) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/29/2012 02:47 PM, Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 19:12:17 Dale wrote: As far as I can tell all that is changing with Google is they are going to join up in terms of user authentication, hitherto separate portals or apps they had. I do not see a material difference to what is there now. Fastmail, Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, et al, are all public ISPs and are making their money one way or another. It is in their benefit to respect users privacy, but don't for a minute think that your info while in their systems can be deemed as private. Unless you use encryption they can probe it, analyse it, read it, categorise it, etc. Whether it is Google ads bureau, or CIA, or FSB, there is not much of a difference between them as far as the privacy of your data is concerned. I think that you are worrying yourself unnecessarily, although there is no harm in being cautious all the same. In the age of the corporate Internet, it is wise to understand that information is a commodity that is bought and sold and that anything that goes through you ISP and public providers (like Yahoo, Google, etc.) is available for sale, with the exceptions of bank account numbers and the like. In short, it is wise to assume that there is no reasonable assumption of privacy for any of your activity on the Internet. Using encryption is a good policy, especially if you use the Internet to buy and sell things - otherwise your credit card numbers, bank accounts, and so on, can be compromised. However, one should also read the terms of use and terms of service for all services they use. For example, it violates the Yahoo terms of use to use proxy servers or networks (e.g. Tor) to obscure one's location and IP address. Governments, as you bring up, also monitor Internet traffic, though they are mainly looking for what they deem as threats to their security. I agree that there is no harm in being cautious. Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPJdz/AAoJEFHj8CHvnA9YulkP/3CPtJncbOkCueYhXM9W8ieq Pn2pwrrCo8l4ctqstlnRxpG96Q3ju/oInW3RijB3GBDJjhZMZPXfmxZMLYNF76J+ nN3eyNEmos/GYTE2dY/8Ywzu+hoJoQBk/mzsH+aumPTc3JTSkxGLOZtA1Y0pdLd7 cZff2I8PgMrAI6ejQ7/Ot/Bt/YUDlQtPwzlYxhCxjfS4VV9E3a4gz5kt1/MVMO0Y 7EcaIppoUoXBgUbr+rtZX1db4KaVgiiOs9FROL8LJNMdW5vhWx4UA1MKORRzjBpl 6ByPbFjs8c08uO761WcmeFo5Ija7mdR+DzGyDDj0CC2zQ94drWPhREszahTULmED 4UJpGmFk/ZHk6rgZZOAIxsEGaJ0Fi6MeVa5HzZvhD2X6dGdatQTuGYJn4z6vn9iT NKjoz9LmI97XoUo4FJ8/rASeVk0n7WyrzlbJV6MMM+QVd7qUaU62T3/XZwO3xEWp LKHFh3T8BYzqmMRgWsurXp1v1/crWaKnB5TC8jeCeRhuo8e7ox+tmjgDp0hoifGc FdlfwXNWep+DYdX1g3X9xV92Z8g2moWwDLGEeiDFkA/kMr28cJCbR5lFLXGPmChH T1r4nPl6PbV6g3UxdBnkzJ5OSeudiSpkLLmNGkrra+Olz4qWi6yNKjmkHWMdn3HT qT+BglTRdVTKKsIxnt1J =qB49 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120129-1, 01/29/2012 Tested on: 1/29/2012 6:57:54 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:46:58 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. Just got started earlier than most. Also studied history. :) So if you saw them when they were still new and shiny that means at the time you must have been 2 years old! Child prodigy? :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:46:58 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. Just got started earlier than most. Also studied history. :) So if you saw them when they were still new and shiny that means at the time you must have been 2 years old! Child prodigy? I didn't see anything new and shiny until I had the money to buy it myself...Though we did get a Tandy RLX1000 when I was five or six. When I was (I think) 12, I spent my $200 in savings to buy most of a second-hand K6-200 when the original owner was upgrading to (I think) a Celeron 300. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Jan 30, 2012 7:19 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:46:58 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. Just got started earlier than most. Also studied history. :) So if you saw them when they were still new and shiny that means at the time you must have been 2 years old! Child prodigy? I didn't see anything new and shiny until I had the money to buy it myself...Though we did get a Tandy RLX1000 when I was five or six. When I was (I think) 12, I spent my $200 in savings to buy most of a second-hand K6-200 when the original owner was upgrading to (I think) a Celeron 300. My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... Rgds,
[gentoo-user] mkisofs: layout
If there a way to force mkisofs to add padding after sector N so that the resultin image can be burned as a double layer with no files that reside partially on one and partially on the other layer? ~M
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 7:19 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:46:58 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 02:41 PM, Michael Mol wrote: an MFM controller Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. Just got started earlier than most. Also studied history. :) So if you saw them when they were still new and shiny that means at the time you must have been 2 years old! Child prodigy? I didn't see anything new and shiny until I had the money to buy it myself...Though we did get a Tandy RLX1000 when I was five or six. When I was (I think) 12, I spent my $200 in savings to buy most of a second-hand K6-200 when the original owner was upgrading to (I think) a Celeron 300. My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. -- :wq
Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
On Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. Not sure... It was a no-name clone... I think it's 8086... Rgds,
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
On Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. Not sure... It was a no-name clone... I think it's 8086... Whatever the brand is, it came with a whoppin' big (in terms of HxWxD) 20 MB hard disk. (Or maybe 80? My memory's failing me ATM) Rgds,
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. Not sure... It was a no-name clone... I think it's 8086... Whatever the brand is, it came with a whoppin' big (in terms of HxWxD) 20 MB hard disk. (Or maybe 80? My memory's failing me ATM) Our 286 (that Tandy) came with a 20MB hard disk. The 386 I got as a hand-me-down had a 540MB disk. (That was a bit of a golden age for me; I never managed to fill that drive.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... Rgds, You mean those small floppies? Remember the big 8 inchers? In the early days, putting a computer together took more than a screw driver. Remember soldering irons and PC board kits with discrete components? I do believe I still have an S-100 bus machine in my attic. Regards, David
[gentoo-user] ksmserver not building - can't link to some stuff
Hi all, Just done an emerge -NuD world and in the process of it happening, ksmserver has failed to build. The compiling completes but I'm getting bad linking, things not been found. Any one know why the following would happen: *** /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextureGlyphCache::textureMapForGlyph(unsigned int) const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::qt_metacall(QMetaObject::Call, int, void**)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4: undefined reference to `QWindowSurface::hasPartialUpdateSupport() const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::draw(QPainter*, QAbstractTextDocumentLayout::PaintContext const)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::positionInlineObject(QTextInlineObject, int, QTextFormat const)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::hitTest(QPointF const, Qt::HitTestAccuracy) const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::QTextDocumentLayout(QTextDocument*)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::documentChanged(int, int, int)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::drawInlineObject(QPainter*, QRectF const, QTextInlineObject, int, QTextFormat const)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::documentSize() const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::timerEvent(QTimerEvent*)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::blockBoundingRect(QTextBlock const) const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `typeinfo for QTextDocumentLayout' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `vtable for QTextDocumentLayout' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4: undefined reference to `QWindowSurface::QWindowSurface(QWidget*)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::pageCount() const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::frameBoundingRect(QTextFrame*) const' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::qt_metacast(char const*)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::setLineHeight(double, QTextDocumentLayout::LineHeightMode)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so.4: undefined reference to `QImageTextureGlyphCache::fillTexture(QTextureGlyphCache::Coord const, unsigned int)' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::staticMetaObject' /usr/lib64/qt4/libQtDeclarative.so.4: undefined reference to `QTextDocumentLayout::resizeInlineObject(QTextInlineObject, int, QTextFormat const)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [ksmserver/ksmserver] Error 1 make[1]: *** [ksmserver/CMakeFiles/ksmserver.dir/all] Error 2 make: *** [all] Error 2 *** A bit messy I know. I'm about to do a proper bug report on bugs.gentoo.org with all the info, but was hoping someone on the list might have any idea. Regards, Andrew
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: Our 286 (that Tandy) came with a 20MB hard disk. The 386 I got as a hand-me-down had a 540MB disk. (That was a bit of a golden age for me; I never managed to fill that drive.) I had twice the storage. My 286 had a 40MB hard disk. It also had 1MB of memory but only 640KB was accessible to the system without a memory mapping hack. It ran MSDOS 3.1. (Ah! the late '80s) Gee I had a lot of fun on that machine. I could connect via 1200 baud modem from my home to the university VAX-VMS and use the VAX Wordperfect wordprocessor to do my course work and then send it to the University printer, which produced beautiful results. I wouldn't go back though! I love my HP quadcore laptop running Gentoo. -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Floppy support question for old farts. lol
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:29:47AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Michael, I think you must be older than you look :p 28. […] Same here. My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... I still punched holes in 5.25 disks to make them two-sided in a 1541. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Today’s stress is the good old times of the day after tomorrow.
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:56:01AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Whatever the brand is, it came with a whoppin' big (in terms of HxWxD) 20 MB hard disk. (Or maybe 80? My memory's failing me ATM) I can't imagine not being able to remember the figure, giving the difference of 300%. ;-) Our first family PC did have a 20 MB HDD. I used to play Gorilla and Nibbles with my Pa in this Microsoft Basic thing. Ha! We entered angle and force to throw a banana at the opponent, nowadays kiddies swipe their finger over spyPhones. No wonder education is getting worse. :) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. There is only one way to the lung and it must be tarred.
[gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On 01/30/2012 05:48 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info mailto:pa...@poluan.info wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. Not sure... It was a no-name clone... I think it's 8086... The first machine to ever make me go ooh, shiny was an Amiga 500 back when it came out. Shiniest thing I ever saw ;-)
Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: [gentoo-user] Floppy support question)
Guys, I feel with you - I was there, too. But please stop scaring the youngsters. Nils 2012/1/30 Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:56:01AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: Whatever the brand is, it came with a whoppin' big (in terms of HxWxD) 20 MB hard disk. (Or maybe 80? My memory's failing me ATM) I can't imagine not being able to remember the figure, giving the difference of 300%. ;-) Our first family PC did have a 20 MB HDD. I used to play Gorilla and Nibbles with my Pa in this Microsoft Basic thing. Ha! We entered angle and force to throw a banana at the opponent, nowadays kiddies swipe their finger over spyPhones. No wonder education is getting worse. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Python+readline?
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:01:40 -0500 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I've enabled the readline flag for the python build, but it doesn't seem to work. Are there any other settings I'm missing? What happens when you import readline ? -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About this graphite stuff
On Jan 30, 2012 4:52 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/29/2012 11:23 AM, Alex Schuster wrote: Do packages fail to build? We just had a 'Graphite causing trouble' thread here, I've read in this group that an occasional package fails when using -j2 or higher (which you will certainly be doing) but that has nothing to do with graphite. In my case, as long as I stay -j3 or lower, everything compile well. I've been using graphite for a long time with no problem whatever. I took the plunge when graphite went stable and production-ready in the 4.5.x series. Except for a rare rebuild of cloog-ppl, of course, but I already knew how to bail myself out of that situation, and now you know too :) Let me add that my servers *feel* faster with graphite. Of course, YMMV. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Python+readline?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:42:47PM -0800, Keith Dart wrote On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:01:40 -0500 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I've enabled the readline flag for the python build, but it doesn't seem to work. Are there any other settings I'm missing? What happens when you import readline ? waltdnes@d530 ~ $ python Python 2.7.2 (default, Dec 14 2011, 00:09:44) [GCC 4.5.3] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import readline Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module ImportError: No module named readline -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Your earliest ooh, shiny (was: Floppy support question)
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:50:58 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 01/30/2012 05:48 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com mailto:mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info mailto:pa...@poluan.info wrote: My earliest new and shiny then would be a honkin' big desktop horizontal all-steel box, with a Turbo switch that toggles a front-panel (7-segment LED) display between 4.77 and 8.00 And of floppies that really *are* floppy (5.25)... And of copy-protected diskettes and CopyIIpc and CopyWrite... As you can see, I have a severely traumatic childhood... PC, XT or AT? Fastest system I ever used what dropped down to 4.77MHz was a 33MHz 386.. Not sure... It was a no-name clone... I think it's 8086... The first machine to ever make me go ooh, shiny was an Amiga 500 back when it came out. Shiniest thing I ever saw ;-) The awesomest thing I ever had wasn't shiny at all: A Sinclair Mk14. Remember the Sinclair Spectrum? The ZX81 came before that. Remember the Sinclair ZX81? The ZX80 came before that. Remember the Sinclair ZX80? Well, the Mk 14 came before that. Ah, those were the days. Sinclair was still pumping out DIY amp kits, built-it-yourself digital watches and electric trikes. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
