Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
I would try to find out how much heat the nvidia card or any other card would generate under load or even without load ... You would not want a laptop to suffer from overheating ... on 07/26/2012 11:50 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote the following: I am buying a new laptop, most likely a dell 6340. My choices for video are intel 4000 and nvidia nvs 5200M. An important consideration is that I use (via an E-port replicator) a 30 2560x1600 monitor Dell (not surprisingly) recommends the nvidia saying they are not sure the 4000 will be good enough for watching DVDs. Assuming that is right, I want to be sure there is *some* driver for it. I would prefer nouveau as it has been trouble free for me with my current laptop, but I don't see the nvs 5200M listed. For the nvidia driver I see that the quadro nvs series is supported (for 290.10.00 and newer). Am I right that this includes the nvs 5200M. Has anyone experience with these graphics cards? Also how bad would it be with the intel 4000 and my hi-res display? thanks, allan
[gentoo-user] Gentoo Website Survey 2012
Hey guys, the Gentoo PR team is currently conducting a survey on our website. If you are interested in helping us make the gentoo.org experience better, please take a look at the survey: http://www.gentoo.org/news/20120727-website-survey.xml It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. Thanks a lot! -- Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org Gentoo Security/Ruby/Infrastructure signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] lightdm greeters on gentoo
so the stock gtk greeter is kinda of bland with its computer icon and stuff= . yes, even with hwoarang's awesome gentoo cow work on USE=3Dbranding : i'm thinking something like this http://www.openews.net/2011/developer-demo= -lightdm-3d-animation-login-screen/ would be cool, but it doesn't seem to b= e available. there's something called crowd greeter and pantheon greeter, b= ut neither seems to have received much development attention. so what do you guys use for your greeter?
Re: [gentoo-user] moving rsnapshots
Am 2012-07-26 22:38, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 25.07.2012 09:52, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: It would be worth testing if it also works to replace copied files by hard links with -H but I will have to do it elsewhere ... this is production data ... on a box with ancient version of LVM2 ... -H takes ages ... while it is correct. Found the script rsnapshot-copy (not part of the gentoo-rsnapshot-build, but part of rsnapshot in other distros) which splits the one huge job into smaller steps. Still waiting for that copy, though ;-) ~36 hrs for ~600GB net data ... hundreds of thousands of links.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo package database
On Thursday 26 Jul 2012 09:15:42 ivan ivanov wrote: DO NOT HIJACK THREADS. You replied to an existing thread, changed the subject line, deleted the content and type your question. This is a big nono and is considered exceptionally rude (it makes everyone else's mail client do strange things with displaying threads). Sorry, i did not know this. I never encountered such behavior on other mailing lists. No probs. Most of us use plain text, threaded display in our mail/news clients and hijacking a thread breaks the thread up. Not nice when one tries to search through past threads for answers and comes across unrelated content. At least you don't use HTML and you don't Top Post. So you got 2 out of 3 deadly sins right. ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse does not work with kernel-3.5.0
Hello! On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:36:23 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:30:38 +0300, v...@ukr.net wrote: After upgrading to sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.5.0 my mouse stopped working in X-session. You haven't provided much information to go on so you're not going to get much more than guesses and it works for me responses. Have a look for errors, marked EE, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Yes, I did grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log before posting. And there was no mention of a mouse. How did you compile your new kernel, from scratch or with make oldconfig? I suspect you may have missed something needed for evdev. I did 'make oldconfig' as usual. Did you update anything else at the same time? Yes, I upgraded several packages. Among relevant are: x11-base/xorg-server-1.12.99.902 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.6.2 x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.7.2 x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.6.1 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 sys-fs/udev-186 I also removed the previously existing '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-mouse.conf' file and tried without it. However it did not help. I have just booted my previous kernel-3.4.5, and the mouse works fine with the very same set of X-related programs and settings. - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
On Fri, Jul 27 2012, thana...@asyr.hopto.org wrote: on 07/26/2012 11:50 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote the following: I am buying a new laptop, most likely a dell 6340. My choices for video are intel 4000 and nvidia nvs 5200M. An important consideration is that I use (via an E-port replicator) a 30 2560x1600 monitor Dell (not surprisingly) recommends the nvidia saying they are not sure the 4000 will be good enough for watching DVDs. Assuming that is right, I want to be sure there is *some* driver for it. I would prefer nouveau as it has been trouble free for me with my current laptop, but I don't see the nvs 5200M listed. For the nvidia driver I see that the quadro nvs series is supported (for 290.10.00 and newer). Am I right that this includes the nvs 5200M. Has anyone experience with these graphics cards? Also how bad would it be with the intel 4000 and my hi-res display? I would try to find out how much heat the nvidia card or any other card would generate under load or even without load ... You would not want a laptop to suffer from overheating ... (please do not top post to this list) This is a std dell product (it is nvidia mobile device) so I am not worried about the heat. It will doubtless shorten battery time, but I mostly am plugged in. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Mark Knecht wrote: Check the nvidia site. It will tell you the exact driver Rev that supports this GPU. Thanks. I see that 295.53 supports the NVS 5200M. Am I right in believing that this means all drivers = 295.53 support it. This would be good as there are a few such in portage. thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
on 07/27/2012 10:12 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote the following: This is a std dell product (it is nvidia mobile device) so I am not worried about the heat. It will doubtless shorten battery time, but I mostly am plugged in. allan I wouldn't be so sure about it, after I had a bad experience with a 17-inch Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Xa 1526, which had an NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 - 256MB DDR2. Powerfull graphics, but also a *very very* big heat source. Plus, although the laptop was built in Germany, its airflow design was totally inadequate to dissipate the heat even when the graphics card was not working under load. Under a load it was only a matter of minutes before it would crash.
[gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
I am getting a new laptop. (likely dell 6430). The two graphics options are intel HD 4000 and nvidia NVS 5200M. Dell is as expected suggesting the 5200M. I do not need 3D or fast response. Dell hinted that DVDs might not play with the intel HD 4000. This seems weird to me as the 4000 is supposed to be a big improvement over the 3000 and I can't believe dell or others would have sold laptops that can't play dvds Any comments or experiences? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Mark Knecht wrote: Check the nvidia site. It will tell you the exact driver Rev that supports this GPU. Thanks. I see that 295.53 supports the NVS 5200M. Am I right in believing that this means all drivers = 295.53 support it. This would be good as there are a few such in portage. It's actually very rare for nVidia to remove support for a card that it has. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am getting a new laptop. (likely dell 6430). The two graphics options are intel HD 4000 and nvidia NVS 5200M. Dell is as expected suggesting the 5200M. I do not need 3D or fast response. Dell hinted that DVDs might not play with the intel HD 4000. This seems weird to me as the 4000 is supposed to be a big improvement over the 3000 and I can't believe dell or others would have sold laptops that can't play dvds Any comments or experiences? My Duron 750MHz was able to decode DVDs in realtime. After that, all you're doing is blitting (or using xv) the frames to the screen. I would be absolutely shocked if the Intel HD 4000 GPU couldn't handle that basic of a 2D acceleration function. Now, DVDs use MPEG2. Blu-Ray uses h.264, which is a much harder beast to decode in realtime. It's possible the HD 4000 GPU can't handle hardware decode of h.264, but I don't know. I've never looked into it. (Software decode of 1080p h.264 on my Phenom 9650 worked somewhat, but highly active scenes would cause frame drops.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
Am 27.07.2012 22:22, schrieb Michael Mol: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am getting a new laptop. (likely dell 6430). The two graphics options are intel HD 4000 and nvidia NVS 5200M. Dell is as expected suggesting the 5200M. I do not need 3D or fast response. Dell hinted that DVDs might not play with the intel HD 4000. This seems weird to me as the 4000 is supposed to be a big improvement over the 3000 and I can't believe dell or others would have sold laptops that can't play dvds Any comments or experiences? My Duron 750MHz was able to decode DVDs in realtime. After that, all you're doing is blitting (or using xv) the frames to the screen. I would be absolutely shocked if the Intel HD 4000 GPU couldn't handle that basic of a 2D acceleration function. Now, DVDs use MPEG2. Blu-Ray uses h.264, which is a much harder beast to decode in realtime. It's possible the HD 4000 GPU can't handle hardware decode of h.264, but I don't know. I've never looked into it. (Software decode of 1080p h.264 on my Phenom 9650 worked somewhat, but highly active scenes would cause frame drops.) I've experienced issues playing DVDs on fullscreen with the OSS radeon driver. Therefore I'm cautious of assumptions that something works simply because the input is easy to decode. Upscaling to large displays with high resolutions can be an issue. I'm not saying the Intel driver cannot handle it. I'm just saying you should try it or look for reports. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] No fonts in any gtk apps
Hi, Somehow, after upgrading some packages this morning, I no longer have fonts in any gtk apps I've tried (Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP). Chromium mostly works, fonts show on web pages, but there are no visible fonts in the tab titles or in the address bar. Konqueror and all KDE apps seem to work completely fine. I've rolled back all of the installed packages, but the problem still remains. I have tried changing gtk theme, changing fonts, but it makes no difference. I rebuilt gtk+ (2 and 3) but nothing changed. I don't know what else to try. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what might be the cause? These are the packages I upgraded this morning: Fri Jul 27 09:37:54 2012 media-gfx/pngcrush-1.7.33 Fri Jul 27 09:38:15 2012 x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.37 Fri Jul 27 09:38:34 2012 dev-libs/nettle-2.5 Fri Jul 27 09:38:54 2012 sys-libs/libcap-ng-0.7 Fri Jul 27 09:39:57 2012 net-misc/dhcp-4.2.4_p1 Fri Jul 27 09:40:49 2012 sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-3.5.0 Fri Jul 27 09:41:16 2012 app-text/hunspell-1.3.2-r3 Fri Jul 27 09:42:53 2012 dev-lang/v8-3.11.10.17 Fri Jul 27 09:43:10 2012 dev-util/indent-2.2.11-r1 Fri Jul 27 09:44:19 2012 net-dns/bind-tools-9.9.1_p2 Fri Jul 27 09:45:17 2012 app-portage/eix-0.26.1 Fri Jul 27 09:45:34 2012 sys-kernel/dracut-022 Fri Jul 27 10:07:35 2012 www-client/chromium-21.0.1180.55 Fri Jul 27 10:07:44 2012 net-misc/whois-5.0.18 Fri Jul 27 10:08:53 2012 app-office/akonadi-server-1.8.0 Fri Jul 27 10:12:03 2012 media-libs/mesa-8.1_rc1_pre20120724 Fri Jul 27 10:13:33 2012 x11-libs/cairo-1.12.2-r2 Fri Jul 27 10:13:53 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:08 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:37 2012 x11-themes/qtcurve-qt4-1.8.13 Fri Jul 27 10:14:51 2012 www-client/opera-12.01.1528 Thanks, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 27.07.2012 22:22, schrieb Michael Mol: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am getting a new laptop. (likely dell 6430). The two graphics options are intel HD 4000 and nvidia NVS 5200M. Dell is as expected suggesting the 5200M. I do not need 3D or fast response. Dell hinted that DVDs might not play with the intel HD 4000. This seems weird to me as the 4000 is supposed to be a big improvement over the 3000 and I can't believe dell or others would have sold laptops that can't play dvds Any comments or experiences? My Duron 750MHz was able to decode DVDs in realtime. After that, all you're doing is blitting (or using xv) the frames to the screen. I would be absolutely shocked if the Intel HD 4000 GPU couldn't handle that basic of a 2D acceleration function. Now, DVDs use MPEG2. Blu-Ray uses h.264, which is a much harder beast to decode in realtime. It's possible the HD 4000 GPU can't handle hardware decode of h.264, but I don't know. I've never looked into it. (Software decode of 1080p h.264 on my Phenom 9650 worked somewhat, but highly active scenes would cause frame drops.) I've experienced issues playing DVDs on fullscreen with the OSS radeon driver. Therefore I'm cautious of assumptions that something works simply because the input is easy to decode. Upscaling to large displays with high resolutions can be an issue. I'm not saying the Intel driver cannot handle it. I'm just saying you should try it or look for reports. How high is 'high' resolution? I was upscaling to 1600x1200 using an a Radeon 9600; that card would now be almost ten years old. A bit later, I did the same on a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 using an i845-based Intel graphics card. Here's the line from lspci, as run in May of 2007: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) Hardware scaling a 2D image is one of the most trivial hardware-accelerated options GPUs perform. If someone had difficulties upscaling a 480p (roughly what DVDs are) to 1080p at 24 or 33fps, I would be very highly suspicious of a software misconfiguration. That kind of scaling should even be comfortably doable in software on any modern x86-derived processor. (With the plausible exclusion of the Atom CPU) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Mark Knecht wrote: Check the nvidia site. It will tell you the exact driver Rev that supports this GPU. Thanks. I see that 295.53 supports the NVS 5200M. Am I right in believing that this means all drivers = 295.53 support it. This would be good as there are a few such in portage. thanks again, allan Almost certainly yes. I've used only NVidia cards for about 12 years and never had one I still cared to use become unsupported. Of course I cannot guarantee the future but I think you're pretty much set with any NVidia card these days. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
On Fri, Jul 27 2012, Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 26 2012, Mark Knecht wrote: Check the nvidia site. It will tell you the exact driver Rev that supports this GPU. Thanks. I see that 295.53 supports the NVS 5200M. Am I right in believing that this means all drivers = 295.53 support it. This would be good as there are a few such in portage. It's actually very rare for nVidia to remove support for a card that it has. Thanks. I agree and now that I think about it, I can always get the older nvidia-driver from somewhere. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am getting a new laptop. (likely dell 6430). The two graphics options are intel HD 4000 and nvidia NVS 5200M. Dell is as expected suggesting the 5200M. I do not need 3D or fast response. Dell hinted that DVDs might not play with the intel HD 4000. This seems weird to me as the 4000 is supposed to be a big improvement over the 3000 and I can't believe dell or others would have sold laptops that can't play dvds Any comments or experiences? My Duron 750MHz was able to decode DVDs in realtime. After that, all you're doing is blitting (or using xv) the frames to the screen. I would be absolutely shocked if the Intel HD 4000 GPU couldn't handle that basic of a 2D acceleration function. Now, DVDs use MPEG2. Blu-Ray uses h.264, which is a much harder beast to decode in realtime. It's possible the HD 4000 GPU can't handle hardware decode of h.264, but I don't know. I've never looked into it. (Software decode of 1080p h.264 on my Phenom 9650 worked somewhat, but highly active scenes would cause frame drops.) Thanks. I am not getting a blu-ray player. I forgot a big point. I have a very high res 30 monitor (2560x1600) and need to insure that the graphics card can drive the monitor at full res (I don't care about dvd's just software development and writing my lectures). I haven't received a definitive answer from dell about that. I am really in a quandary over the graphics card. The nvidia card is a little new and not listed on the nouveau page (I have found nouveau works much better than nvidia-drivers). Also it requires a bigger battery and power adapter. Indeed with the intel 4000, I could get a physically smaller dell 6430s with the same 14 screen (but somewhat lower res). allan
Re: [gentoo-user] No fonts in any gtk apps
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:39 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Somehow, after upgrading some packages this morning, I no longer have fonts in any gtk apps I've tried (Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP). Chromium mostly works, fonts show on web pages, but there are no visible fonts in the tab titles or in the address bar. Konqueror and all KDE apps seem to work completely fine. I've rolled back all of the installed packages, but the problem still remains. I have tried changing gtk theme, changing fonts, but it makes no difference. I rebuilt gtk+ (2 and 3) but nothing changed. I don't know what else to try. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what might be the cause? These are the packages I upgraded this morning: Fri Jul 27 09:37:54 2012 media-gfx/pngcrush-1.7.33 Fri Jul 27 09:38:15 2012 x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.37 Fri Jul 27 09:38:34 2012 dev-libs/nettle-2.5 Fri Jul 27 09:38:54 2012 sys-libs/libcap-ng-0.7 Fri Jul 27 09:39:57 2012 net-misc/dhcp-4.2.4_p1 Fri Jul 27 09:40:49 2012 sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-3.5.0 Fri Jul 27 09:41:16 2012 app-text/hunspell-1.3.2-r3 Fri Jul 27 09:42:53 2012 dev-lang/v8-3.11.10.17 Fri Jul 27 09:43:10 2012 dev-util/indent-2.2.11-r1 Fri Jul 27 09:44:19 2012 net-dns/bind-tools-9.9.1_p2 Fri Jul 27 09:45:17 2012 app-portage/eix-0.26.1 Fri Jul 27 09:45:34 2012 sys-kernel/dracut-022 Fri Jul 27 10:07:35 2012 www-client/chromium-21.0.1180.55 Fri Jul 27 10:07:44 2012 net-misc/whois-5.0.18 Fri Jul 27 10:08:53 2012 app-office/akonadi-server-1.8.0 Fri Jul 27 10:12:03 2012 media-libs/mesa-8.1_rc1_pre20120724 Fri Jul 27 10:13:33 2012 x11-libs/cairo-1.12.2-r2 Fri Jul 27 10:13:53 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:08 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:37 2012 x11-themes/qtcurve-qt4-1.8.13 Fri Jul 27 10:14:51 2012 www-client/opera-12.01.1528 I had a similar upgrade list, but I don't have font problems, so I doubt your problem is widespread. The only package there that seems to have anything to do with fonts is cairo - is there anything at all relevant in the build log? Did you reboot/logout/restart X at all and did this give any errors? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] intel HD graphics 4000 and viewing DVDs
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I forgot a big point. I have a very high res 30 monitor (2560x1600) and need to insure that the graphics card can drive the monitor at full res (I don't care about dvd's just software development and writing my lectures). I haven't received a definitive answer from dell about that. I think monitors with resolution that high usually require a DVI-D dual link connection. Ensure your new computer supports that. If it's a newer laptop, it might not have DVI at all, but DisplayPort or HDMI instead. There are DisplayPort and HDMI to DVI adapters available, though I'm not familiar enough with the specifics to say which would be compatible with your monitor.
Re: [gentoo-user] No fonts in any gtk apps
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:39 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Somehow, after upgrading some packages this morning, I no longer have fonts in any gtk apps I've tried (Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP). Chromium mostly works, fonts show on web pages, but there are no visible fonts in the tab titles or in the address bar. Konqueror and all KDE apps seem to work completely fine. I've rolled back all of the installed packages, but the problem still remains. I have tried changing gtk theme, changing fonts, but it makes no difference. I rebuilt gtk+ (2 and 3) but nothing changed. I don't know what else to try. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what might be the cause? These are the packages I upgraded this morning: Fri Jul 27 09:37:54 2012 media-gfx/pngcrush-1.7.33 Fri Jul 27 09:38:15 2012 x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.37 Fri Jul 27 09:38:34 2012 dev-libs/nettle-2.5 Fri Jul 27 09:38:54 2012 sys-libs/libcap-ng-0.7 Fri Jul 27 09:39:57 2012 net-misc/dhcp-4.2.4_p1 Fri Jul 27 09:40:49 2012 sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-3.5.0 Fri Jul 27 09:41:16 2012 app-text/hunspell-1.3.2-r3 Fri Jul 27 09:42:53 2012 dev-lang/v8-3.11.10.17 Fri Jul 27 09:43:10 2012 dev-util/indent-2.2.11-r1 Fri Jul 27 09:44:19 2012 net-dns/bind-tools-9.9.1_p2 Fri Jul 27 09:45:17 2012 app-portage/eix-0.26.1 Fri Jul 27 09:45:34 2012 sys-kernel/dracut-022 Fri Jul 27 10:07:35 2012 www-client/chromium-21.0.1180.55 Fri Jul 27 10:07:44 2012 net-misc/whois-5.0.18 Fri Jul 27 10:08:53 2012 app-office/akonadi-server-1.8.0 Fri Jul 27 10:12:03 2012 media-libs/mesa-8.1_rc1_pre20120724 Fri Jul 27 10:13:33 2012 x11-libs/cairo-1.12.2-r2 Fri Jul 27 10:13:53 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:08 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:37 2012 x11-themes/qtcurve-qt4-1.8.13 Fri Jul 27 10:14:51 2012 www-client/opera-12.01.1528 I had a similar upgrade list, but I don't have font problems, so I doubt your problem is widespread. The only package there that seems to have anything to do with fonts is cairo - is there anything at all relevant in the build log? Did you reboot/logout/restart X at all and did this give any errors? Thank you! It was Cairo. Upon further inspection, when I reverted it earlier, I actually masked the new version -- I did not realize the second-newest version was also one I had not previously installed. After masking =1.12.2 and reinstalling 1.10.2-r3, everything is back to normal. There's apparently something in 1.12.2 that makes fonts invisible on my system, or perhaps something I need to rebuild to take advantage of it. Thanks again, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia NVS 5200M
On Fri, Jul 27 2012, thana...@asyr.hopto.org wrote: on 07/27/2012 10:12 PM Allan Gottlieb wrote the following: This is a std dell product (it is nvidia mobile device) so I am not worried about the heat. It will doubtless shorten battery time, but I mostly am plugged in. allan I wouldn't be so sure about it, after I had a bad experience with a 17-inch Fujitsu Siemens AMILO Xa 1526, which had an NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 - 256MB DDR2. Powerfull graphics, but also a *very very* big heat source. Plus, although the laptop was built in Germany, its airflow design was totally inadequate to dissipate the heat even when the graphics card was not working under load. Under a load it was only a matter of minutes before it would crash. That is pretty bad. I would have thought fujitsu wouldn't sell a configuration so unstable. I am sure dell can be equally incompetent, but NYU buys a lot from them so I am at least confident that they would take it back. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] No fonts in any gtk apps
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:55:48 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:39 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Somehow, after upgrading some packages this morning, I no longer have fonts in any gtk apps I've tried (Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP). Chromium mostly works, fonts show on web pages, but there are no visible fonts in the tab titles or in the address bar. Konqueror and all KDE apps seem to work completely fine. I've rolled back all of the installed packages, but the problem still remains. I have tried changing gtk theme, changing fonts, but it makes no difference. I rebuilt gtk+ (2 and 3) but nothing changed. I don't know what else to try. Does anyone have any suggestions or know what might be the cause? These are the packages I upgraded this morning: Fri Jul 27 09:37:54 2012 media-gfx/pngcrush-1.7.33 Fri Jul 27 09:38:15 2012 x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.37 Fri Jul 27 09:38:34 2012 dev-libs/nettle-2.5 Fri Jul 27 09:38:54 2012 sys-libs/libcap-ng-0.7 Fri Jul 27 09:39:57 2012 net-misc/dhcp-4.2.4_p1 Fri Jul 27 09:40:49 2012 sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-3.5.0 Fri Jul 27 09:41:16 2012 app-text/hunspell-1.3.2-r3 Fri Jul 27 09:42:53 2012 dev-lang/v8-3.11.10.17 Fri Jul 27 09:43:10 2012 dev-util/indent-2.2.11-r1 Fri Jul 27 09:44:19 2012 net-dns/bind-tools-9.9.1_p2 Fri Jul 27 09:45:17 2012 app-portage/eix-0.26.1 Fri Jul 27 09:45:34 2012 sys-kernel/dracut-022 Fri Jul 27 10:07:35 2012 www-client/chromium-21.0.1180.55 Fri Jul 27 10:07:44 2012 net-misc/whois-5.0.18 Fri Jul 27 10:08:53 2012 app-office/akonadi-server-1.8.0 Fri Jul 27 10:12:03 2012 media-libs/mesa-8.1_rc1_pre20120724 Fri Jul 27 10:13:33 2012 x11-libs/cairo-1.12.2-r2 Fri Jul 27 10:13:53 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:08 2012 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev-2.7.1 Fri Jul 27 10:14:37 2012 x11-themes/qtcurve-qt4-1.8.13 Fri Jul 27 10:14:51 2012 www-client/opera-12.01.1528 I had a similar upgrade list, but I don't have font problems, so I doubt your problem is widespread. The only package there that seems to have anything to do with fonts is cairo - is there anything at all relevant in the build log? Did you reboot/logout/restart X at all and did this give any errors? Thank you! It was Cairo. Upon further inspection, when I reverted it earlier, I actually masked the new version -- I did not realize the second-newest version was also one I had not previously installed. After masking =1.12.2 and reinstalling 1.10.2-r3, everything is back to normal. There's apparently something in 1.12.2 that makes fonts invisible on my system, or perhaps something I need to rebuild to take advantage of it. The cairo Changelog for the last few days has a few references like this: Add respect-fontconfig patch by Paul Bradbury It might be worth filing a bug and letting the devs help track down the root cause. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Python TK
Hello, On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:27:59 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: /etc/init.d/atom attached. It ought also to include a command to extract the useful bits of /etc/mtab and copy those to the chroot; otherwise eclean complains that it can't read the table of mounts. There used to be a suitable command somewhere in the installation docs but I can't find it now. It used grep to omit bits that didn't help. Mind you, if you can persuade Neil to document his modus operandi that will be a good deal better than my fumbling efforts. thank you, tomorrow i have new netbook so i will try it. Regards Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm
CPU speed does not matter. what matters most is the I/O speed. As far as I can tell, AMD chip suffered with a lot of I/O. Their Hyper-transport seems not competitive with Intel's ring bus 2012/7/26 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Евгений Пермяков permea...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2012 05:50 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков permea...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4 Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22 nm -- is 22 nm : it costs CAD 230 they have 3 in stock, which suggests demand, but not the most popular ( 9 in stock). Isn't 22 nm going to be faster than 32 nm ? In the same price range, AMD offers Bulldozer X8 FX-8150 (125W) 8-Core Socket AM3+, 3.6 GHz, 8Mb Cache, 32 nm ( CAD 220 , 2 in stock). How do you compare cores vs nm ? How far is cache size important ( 6 vs 8 MB )? When I built my current machine 2007, the CPU cost CAD 213 , so both look as if they're in the right ballpark. If you're building new, performance-oriented box, you should take latest intel with AVX because of AVX. As I recall, recent gcc has support for avx, so some performance gain may be achieved. If you want home box, you may be interested in AMD A8 and similar chips, as they are reasonably fast and very chip AMD parts have had AVX since the Bulldozer core release in Q3 2011. Are they already available in reasonable numbers on market? http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8120+Eight-Core At $150, fitting into existing Socket AM3+ boards, that looks like the best part for my money right now. In any case, I'd put most of my money in 2-4 big 3Tb HDD's for media and 8+ Gb fast memory, as modern browsers eat memory like crazies and CPU is usually fast enough. Decoding HDTV mkv's should occur on gpu block in any case, so general performance for most uses is irrelevant, as it was fast enough four yesrs earlier. Simply check, that you can offload HDTV decoding to GPU in your config. Here, you're talking about either VDPAU or VAAAPI support. VDPAU is only offered by nVidia cards, and even then you need to run the proprietary driver. VAAPI is supported by Intel graphics and ATI's proprietary driver. I do not see any problems with this. A blob in system is not best practice, of course, but it does not need any configuration and is not a performance bottle-neck, so there is no reason to care. I only bring it up because some people do care. I'm running fglrx at home right now. When I run nVdia, I run the nVidia drivers. In part because I like accelerated video decoding (which a Geforce 210 does wonderfully), in part because the nv, nouveau and radeon drivers historically worked very poorly for me in 2D performance when faced with multiple 1080p displays. They're always getting better, of course. I personally would prefer AMD A8 if I can offload decoding to GPU unit there (not sure if I can, so won't change my box till next summer), but discrete video card will not be the most costly part in good non-gaming box, hard drives will, so again, what the matter? Computer usage breaks down into more than gaming and non-gaming. My non-gaming boxes at home tend to have their CPU, RAM or NICs as their most expensive components, because that's where I need them to perform better. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm
Alecks Gates wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The point made about producing less heat with the smaller nm sounds reasonable tho. Less heat with the smaller nm, but only if all other things remain equal! In reality, manufacturers use additional margin within their TDP to improve the product otherwise. Perhaps they increase the clock speed somewhat. Perhaps they increase the amount of on-die cache. Perhaps they reduce the instruction pipeline. AMD, for example, has tended to maintain keep something in the market for a 125W, 95W and 65W TDPs for several years. Each year, the functionality that used to be in a 125W TDP processor shows up in a 95W TDP processor, and the latest 125W TDP processor beats the pants off of last years'. I found this to be plain weird when I built my new rig. My old rig was a AMD 2500+ single core system with 2Gbs of ram. It pulled about 400 watts or so for normal desktop use. A little more when compiling and such. My new rig, AMD Phenom II 955 with four cores and 16Gbs of ram. Heck, just a single core is much faster than my old rig. Thing is, the new rig pulls less than half of what the old one pulls, WHILE COMPILING. I can't recall the nm part but I think the CPU I got for my old rig was supposed to be for laptop use. AMD sure is getting more efficient as you point out. I still wonder where we will be in 10 years. Just how fast can they make them? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Definitely OT but that's surely not because of the CPU, or at least not only the CPU. Many people highly underestimate the value of a good and efficient power supply, which can make a huge difference. This is one of those things that companies such as Dell like to cut costs on because the average user neither sees the PSU specifications nor knows enough to ask about it. Of course, efficiency within the entire computer helps, but a bad power supply can really hurt your electric bill. On topic, AMD is definitely getting more efficient but mostly because that's where the technology is headed in general -- Intel seems to do a better job at efficiency per core but they also use hyper threading, whereas AMD is putting their bets into more physical cores. Yes, I'm going to say it again, but AMD is what you want for multitasking. They are switching their goals from high-performance cores to highly-concurrent CPUs, GPUs, and APUs. Concurrency is the future, it's just hard for a lot of people to think in such a way (and our technology doesn't leverage it to its full capacity). Just look at the human brain: a maximum of 1,000 nerve impulses per second is possible. However, firing rates of 1 per second to 300-400 per second are more typical.[1] Basically the average neuron seems to be about only 300Hz, but there are trillions upon trillions of synapses within the brain. I don't know about you, but I am, allegedly, a fully-functioning, self-aware, intelligent being. [1] http://www.noteaccess.com/APPROACHES/ArtEd/ChildDev/1cNeurons.htm It may not be JUST the CPU but the CPU is a big part of it. I might add, I moved one hard drive from the old system to the new one. The ones in my new rig that were new are about the same power wise, same brand too. I actually have the same number of drives in my new rig as was in my old rig. So that balances out. I might also add I have 16Gbs of ram in my new rig but only 2Gbs of ram in the old one so that doesn't fit either. As to the power supply, I build my own rig and I always pick a good power supply that is efficient. The power supply is larger in my new rig. I was thinking that the new rig would pull a bit more power so I actually got a power supply that is really a little bit to big. If anything, that would be a negative on my new rig not a positive. The mobo is the only thing different other than the CPU itself. Oh, let's not forget that my new case has those large 230mm fans. Three of them to be exact. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull about the same power tho. The CPU fan is larger on my new CPU tho. It may pull a small amount more but not enough to really worry about much. My video card is faster in the new rig too. So, all in all, one would expect the new rig to pull more power not less. It is a more powerful machine compared to my old rig. I did some math, my new rig is overall 7 times faster than my old rig. I plan to upgrade to a newer, faster CPU with more cores when prices come down a bit more. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I don't have a store bought system. I build mine from scratch. While I would recommend Dell to someone who can't build their own, I wouldn't buy one myself. -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : CPU : 22 nm vs 32 nm
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM, microcai micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: 2012/7/26 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Евгений Пермяков permea...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2012 05:50 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Евгений Пермяков permea...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2012 12:05 AM, Philip Webb wrote: I've listed what's available at the local store, which I trust to stock reliable items, tho' I wouldn't ask their advice. All the AMD's are 32 nm , while the Intel recommended by one commenter -- Core i5-3570 4-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4 Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22 nm -- is 22 nm : it costs CAD 230 they have 3 in stock, which suggests demand, but not the most popular ( 9 in stock). Isn't 22 nm going to be faster than 32 nm ? In the same price range, AMD offers Bulldozer X8 FX-8150 (125W) 8-Core Socket AM3+, 3.6 GHz, 8Mb Cache, 32 nm ( CAD 220 , 2 in stock). How do you compare cores vs nm ? How far is cache size important ( 6 vs 8 MB )? When I built my current machine 2007, the CPU cost CAD 213 , so both look as if they're in the right ballpark. If you're building new, performance-oriented box, you should take latest intel with AVX because of AVX. As I recall, recent gcc has support for avx, so some performance gain may be achieved. If you want home box, you may be interested in AMD A8 and similar chips, as they are reasonably fast and very chip AMD parts have had AVX since the Bulldozer core release in Q3 2011. Are they already available in reasonable numbers on market? http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8120+Eight-Core At $150, fitting into existing Socket AM3+ boards, that looks like the best part for my money right now. In any case, I'd put most of my money in 2-4 big 3Tb HDD's for media and 8+ Gb fast memory, as modern browsers eat memory like crazies and CPU is usually fast enough. Decoding HDTV mkv's should occur on gpu block in any case, so general performance for most uses is irrelevant, as it was fast enough four yesrs earlier. Simply check, that you can offload HDTV decoding to GPU in your config. Here, you're talking about either VDPAU or VAAAPI support. VDPAU is only offered by nVidia cards, and even then you need to run the proprietary driver. VAAPI is supported by Intel graphics and ATI's proprietary driver. I do not see any problems with this. A blob in system is not best practice, of course, but it does not need any configuration and is not a performance bottle-neck, so there is no reason to care. I only bring it up because some people do care. I'm running fglrx at home right now. When I run nVdia, I run the nVidia drivers. In part because I like accelerated video decoding (which a Geforce 210 does wonderfully), in part because the nv, nouveau and radeon drivers historically worked very poorly for me in 2D performance when faced with multiple 1080p displays. They're always getting better, of course. I personally would prefer AMD A8 if I can offload decoding to GPU unit there (not sure if I can, so won't change my box till next summer), but discrete video card will not be the most costly part in good non-gaming box, hard drives will, so again, what the matter? Computer usage breaks down into more than gaming and non-gaming. My non-gaming boxes at home tend to have their CPU, RAM or NICs as their most expensive components, because that's where I need them to perform better. CPU speed does not matter. what matters most is the I/O speed. As far as I can tell, AMD chip suffered with a lot of I/O. Their Hyper-transport seems not competitive with Intel's ring bus (please don't top-post, especially if the thread's already been primarily organized as bottom-post) I hadn't read that, but remember that HyperTransport is intended for a mesh architecture. In single-CPU systems, you'll only have one HT link, the link between your CPU and your north bridge. In multi-CPU systems, you'll have additional links between the CPUs. In systems with many CPUs, you may even have a fully-connected mesh. The I/O characteristics will greatly depend on the topology of your network. That said, HyperTransport may just be getting old; when it came out, it (and AMD's crossbar switch for memory management) beat the pants off of Intel's SMP solution. Intel's solution ran at lower and lower clock rates the more CPUs you added, and their first pass at multicore gave each core its own port onto the memory bus, with predictably poor results. Intel's had plenty of time to catch up, but with their price-per-part, it's taken me a long time to pay much attention. (It also doesn't help that Jon Hannibal Stokes stopped writing detailed technical articles for Ars Technica; I sincerely miss him and the precision and clarity of his writing on such arcane subjects.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] cannot set an icon theme for the kde apps
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:35:22 +0400 ivan ivanov grobokopa...@list.ru wrote: usr/share/kde4/services/settings-icon-view.desktop exists? dbus is running? ya@shvabra ~ $ ls -l /usr/share/kde4/services/settings-icon-view.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7836 Apr 30 01:05 /usr/share/kde4/services/settings-icon-view.desktop ya@shvabra ~ $ /etc/init.d/dbus status * status: started Hey, There is also /usr/share/kde4/services/icons.desktop, which is the icons KCM (KDE control module) that you want. You can start it with: $ kcmshell4 icons This module is provided by kde-base/kcontrol, which is pulled in by kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta. Do you have both of those installed? You need the second one for KDE apps to function properly. Cheers, Bryan
Re: [gentoo-user] icedtea-jdk and X
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:22:10 +0400 Евгений Пермяков permea...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone tell me, why my gentoo server wants X header to build icedtea jdk if USE=... -X ... ? Ok, I understand that it is because maintainers wrote ebuild that requires X header unquestionable. But why they did so and can be something done about it? Do not want to have *-bin* package in system for perfectionism reasons. Hi, If it helps, it looks like dev-java/icedtea with USE=-X only requires X to build, not to run. So after installation, the X packages can be removed by emerge --ask --depclean --with-bdeps=n packages Or leave off packages... to see all installed packages that are not needed for world packages to run (which should include X). Of course you'll have to reinstall them if you want to rebuild icedtea... Cheers, Bryan
