[gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/12 07:28, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 06:08, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 05:23, Philip Webb wrote: i5-2550K FX-4100 both

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 07:28, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 06:08, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Nikos Chantziaras

[gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread James
When you have full load, the CPU won't clock down. So nothing saved there. When you're considering full load, the TDP becomes a useful estimation of relative power consumption between different processors. If you don't have full load, the clock-down doesn't save much compared to max

[gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alecks Gates
After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some questions to ask first. What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 30. Juli 2012, 10:08:24 schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 07:28, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 06:08, Michael Mol wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:40:50 -0500 Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote: After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some questions to ask first.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: When you have full load, the CPU won't clock down. So nothing saved there. When you're considering full load, the TDP becomes a useful estimation of relative power consumption between different processors. If you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SNIP Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the power cord, or any wires inside the computer you can fit the clamp around. SNIP hth, James I haven't read this thread but I do use one of these which costs

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 30. Juli 2012, 11:40:50 schrieb Alecks Gates: After a recent update to binutils 2.22 I started to look into the x32 ABI support. It looks very interesting and I am thinking about installing it via the experimental stage3[1], but I have some questions to ask first. What are the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SNIP Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the power cord, or any wires inside the computer you can fit the clamp around. SNIP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP MB power? Hard drive power? Hard disk power GPU power? DRAM power? The 5 above can easily become the dominant power hogs. I use an Intel

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 30.07.2012 19:14, schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SNIP Amp meters are less than $50 USD. They clamp around the power cord, or any wires inside the computer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new machine : CPU : AMD FX-4100 ?

2012-07-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: SNIP Spinning disks consume surprisingly little power once they're up to speed. My GPU, by comparison, doesn't seem to reduce heat generation very much when relatively idle. Idle on a GPU (in Linux) might be more

[gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Grant
I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried restarting the router and I've verified that the WEP password is correct by logging into the

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried restarting the router

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Grant
I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried restarting the router and I've verified that the WEP password is correct by logging into

Re: [gentoo-user] x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:40:50AM -0500, Alecks Gates wrote What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the obvious experimental cautions? I currently do not have a computer with more than 4GB of ram, and one only has 2GB (used as a media center). In theory, real

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't connect to router with 3 different interfaces

2012-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:23:24 -0700 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I have 2 different USB wireless network adapters and an internal PCIe adapter and none will connect to a Jazztel router I need to connect to on the road. I've tried several different kernels. I've tried restarting the

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/12 23:42, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:40:50AM -0500, Alecks Gates wrote What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the obvious experimental cautions? I currently do not have a computer with more than 4GB of ram, and one only has 2GB (used

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a 32-bit address range but runs in 64-bit CPU mode. The intent is to not waste any memory, but be as fast as any other 64-bit application. Drawbacks:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a 32-bit address range but runs in 64-bit CPU mode. The intent is to not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Alecks Gates
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/07/12 19:40, Alecks Gates wrote: What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI Benefits: An x32 application is limited to a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:47:22AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote That's a problem with x86, not x32. x32 is a 64-bit mode. It's a new ABI :-) The original poster asked... What are the benefits and drawbacks of using the x32 ABI, other than the obvious experimental cautions? I

[gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 31/07/12 07:16, Alecks Gates wrote: I have just started the process of installing Gentoo from scratch on on my 2GB RAM machine, and am going to fully compare the two, probably using Phoronix Test Suite unless someone here can give me some other recommendations -- I don't do benchmarking and I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: x32 ABI

2012-07-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:47:22AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote That's a problem with x86, not x32. x32 is a 64-bit mode. It's a new ABI :-) The original poster asked... What are the benefits and drawbacks of