Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/04/2013 23:10, Jarry wrote: On 23-Apr-13 22:40, Alan McKinnon wrote: ext4 is fine. All the horror stories ended years ago and almost all major distros ship it as a default. Hm, I remember one horror story about ext4 data corruption bug which circulated in public just a few months

Re: (SOLVED)[gentoo-user] KDM stucking!

2013-04-24 Thread Dale
Jackie wrote: I still don't get a clue what; wrong here and why this all happend. Hope the information above will be helpful. I have had KDE behave similarly when my LDAP authentication was screwed up. There was an issue caused by a gnome library that was pulled in by gnucash. This only

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:22:37 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I have mix of various sizes. The best feature about ReiserFS is that it doesn't do inodes, so I don't have to be psychic about my future file mix when I format the partition. For that reason alone, I'm tempted to stay with ReiserFS3.

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:37:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: I've used ReiserFS3 for years with no problems, but I keep hearing horror stories about it. I haven't read any horror stories re Reiser 3 , Where have you been f0r the last ten years? A quick search of this list's archives will

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So when I needed to install a new machine, I looked around and settled on JFS. This box has been running for about half a year now (so that includes several power failures) without any problems. I certainly

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 10:27, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: I stay away for Btrfs for now. And to be frank I don't quite like Btrfs's, and ZFS's for that matter, approach of throwing together all the layers, from the file-system, to the RAID, to the block management, etc. I find the layered approach

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 04/24/2013 10:26:52 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: SUSE are using btrfs in SLES, so it can't be that experimental or unstable any more. That depends on the version of the kernel in use. I remember having lost all data of a btrfs file system with an early 3.x kernel. Meanwhile there have been

Re: (SOLVED)[gentoo-user] KDM stucking!

2013-04-24 Thread Jackie
This same thing also happened to me once when the disk was full. Cheers, Paul Good news here, I added nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 to my /etc/resolv.conf,logout and login,no pause before splash appeared.Then I rebooted,/etc/resolv was automatically changed back and the PAUSE

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 10:24, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 01:22:37 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I have mix of various sizes. The best feature about ReiserFS is that it doesn't do inodes, so I don't have to be psychic about my future file mix when I format the partition. For that reason

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:00:06 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: - avoid Postfix and Qmail Why? I ask because I have a mail server with reiserfs on the mail spool, it's been running for several years and behaved impeccably, but if there is a good reason to switch, I will. It's one of

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:50:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Then I want to tell the system how much storage I want for what purpose. If Joe Blow is to get 20G of storage for his ~, I want to tell the system there is a thing called joeb and it has a hard quota of 20G. The software must then go

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Philip Webb
130424 Neil Bothwick wrote: 130423 Philip Webb hadn't read any horror stories re Reiser 3 : Where have you been for the last ten years? Reading this list various Linux news sites. A quick search of this list's archives will reveal several. If it's so easy, please point me to a couple

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:50:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Then I want to tell the system how much storage I want for what purpose. If Joe Blow is to get 20G of storage for his ~, I want to tell the system there is a thing called joeb and it has a

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 11:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:50:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Then I want to tell the system how much storage I want for what purpose. If Joe Blow is to get 20G of storage for his ~, I want to tell the system there is a thing called joeb and it has a hard

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 11:21, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:00:06 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: - avoid Postfix and Qmail Why? I ask because I have a mail server with reiserfs on the mail spool, it's been running for several years and behaved impeccably, but if there is a good reason

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:08:12 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's a shame there appears to be no equivalent of a soft quota in ZFS. Maybe it is the use of the term quota that is misleading, when in reality it is more akin to volume size. quota is this context is indeed a misleading term.

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:10:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Some directory operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can result in data corruption with applications relying heavily on file-based locks (such as mail transfer agents qmail[9] and Postfix[10]) if

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 24.04.2013 04:46, schrieb Walter Dnes: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough to be able to do that *easily* whilst keeping

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 11:37, Philip Webb wrote: 130424 Neil Bothwick wrote: 130423 Philip Webb hadn't read any horror stories re Reiser 3 : Where have you been for the last ten years? Reading this list various Linux news sites. A quick search of this list's archives will reveal several. If

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/04/2013 12:17, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:10:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Some directory operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can result in data corruption with applications relying heavily on file-based locks (such as mail transfer

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, William. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 03:59:54PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-23 1:59 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:34:38 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: So - first, is 5G way too big for the two /tmp dirs? I have lots of space, but hate waste If you worry about waste consider bind-mounting both from the same partition

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread Joseph
On 04/24/13 07:11, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wed, April 24, 2013 00:16, Joseph wrote: On 04/23/13 20:10, J. Roeleveld wrote: SNIP I am guessing Apache is running on the same machine as your Postgresql server? In this case. The connection will always originate from localhost and Postgresql is

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 24.04.2013 12:48, schrieb Tanstaafl: On 2013-04-23 1:59 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:34:38 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: So - first, is 5G way too big for the two /tmp dirs? I have lots of space, but hate waste If you worry about waste consider

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: emoticon display with Thunderbird

2013-04-24 Thread James
Stroller stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Stroller. [1] http://thommck.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/youve-got-emoji-smilie-characters-discovered-in-a-font/ [2] http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ [3] https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/data/fonts [4]

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-24 1:22 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: - avoid Postfix and Qmail Eh??? Been running postfix/courier-imap and now dovecot for 8+ years on reiserfs with zarro problems... including a few scary moments after 2 unclean shutdown events due to extended power outage and

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:17:26 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: So I continue to believe that Reiser 3 is remarkably reliable, at least if you don't try running it virtually on itself or blame hardware problems on the software. I didn't say otherwise, in fact I've already posted to this thread about

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-24 8:48 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: One thing I'm trying to do is make the system as secure as possible at the filesystem level, and I've read that making /tmp and /var/tmp separate partitions so you can mount them /nodev/noexec/nosuid is one way to make things a

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-24 6:27 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my pair of MTAs: $ uptime 12:24PM up 1295 days, 13:10, 1 user, load averages: 0.19, 0.20, 0.31 $ uptime 12:24PM up 1925 days, 20:30, 4 users, load averages: 0.90, 0.75, 0.84 Those two just keep on accepting and

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 24.04.2013 17:12, schrieb Tanstaafl: On 2013-04-24 8:48 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: One thing I'm trying to do is make the system as secure as possible at the filesystem level, and I've read that making /tmp and /var/tmp separate partitions so you can mount them

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-23 12:34 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 23.04.2013 16:44, schrieb Tanstaafl: /boot (ext2), 100M /swap, 2G / (ext4), 40G then on LVM /tmp (ext2), 5G? - how big? /var/tmp (ext2), 5G? - how big? If this is a production server I wouldn't use ext2. In the case of

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-04-24 11:31 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 24.04.2013 17:12, schrieb Tanstaafl: Ok, but - does it make sense to add the noexec option to /var/tmp? Is it possible that there are other apps that need exec capability in there? It makes sense. Any world-writable

Re: [gentoo-user] Partitions - last questions...

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/24/2013 11:39 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-04-23 12:34 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 23.04.2013 16:44, schrieb Tanstaafl: /boot (ext2), 100M /swap, 2G / (ext4), 40G then on LVM /tmp (ext2), 5G? - how big? /var/tmp (ext2), 5G? - how big? If this is a

Re: PVSCSI vs LSI Logic Parallel/SAS - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Best filesystem for virtualized gentoo mail server - WAS: vmWare HowTo / best practices

2013-04-24 Thread Tanstaafl
Anyone? On 2013-04-23 3:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-04-22 8:56 AM, Andre Lucas Falco alfa...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/4/21 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Windows VMs see get an 'LSI Logic SAS', and my gentoo VM gets an 'LSI Logic Parallel' controller.

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Stroller
On 24 April 2013, at 11:16, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Volume size so far fits my needs just fine, but that's because I've never needed quotas as such. I find quotas too inflexible anyway, it's a case of forcing a simplistic hardware rule into the human space and that never really solves the

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 24.04.2013 19:38, schrieb Stroller: On 24 April 2013, at 11:16, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Volume size so far fits my needs just fine, but that's because I've never needed quotas as such. I find quotas too inflexible anyway, it's a case of forcing a simplistic hardware rule into the human

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: emoticon display with Thunderbird

2013-04-24 Thread Stroller
On 24 April 2013, at 15:10, James wrote: ... What I'm really (eventually) after is a way to send a custom emoticon, tied to a specific trirgger. For example, every hour, I'd like to send a measured temperature from a remote linux system to the mail box on another system, that looks like a

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Stroller
On 24 April 2013, at 18:53, Michael Hampicke wrote: ... Your system must be more complex than I'm imagining, because I see this obvious answer of a bash script which loops through /home/*, runs `du` or `df` and sends an email to anyone who's consuming more than 90%. Obviously this needs

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:38:42 +0100, Stroller wrote: Sometimes a simplistic rule is what's needed. If you are selling off-site storage in 1GB chunks, you need to stop people using more than they have paid for. Hard quotas do this, soft quotas let you warn them first, before things get

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:07:05 +0100, Stroller wrote: That only works on small systems. I have systems here where a 'du' on /home would take hours and produce massive IO wait, because there's so much data in there. Of course. Excuse me. My original idea was in respect of the previous

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Stroller
On 24 April 2013, at 19:32, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... Your system must be more complex than I'm imagining, because I see this obvious answer of a bash script which loops through /home/*, runs `du` or `df` and sends an email to anyone who's consuming more than 90%. Obviously this needs to be

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Nick Khamis
Who's paying for this bandwith? N. On 4/24/13, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:07:05 +0100, Stroller wrote: That only works on small systems. I have systems here where a 'du' on /home would take hours and produce massive IO wait, because there's so much

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:44:18 +0100, Stroller wrote: The warnquota command, from sys-fs/quota, does this for all user and all filesystems with a single command called from cron. Yes, you could reinvent the wheel with a shell script, but the wheel already exists for filesystems other than

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:45:21 -0400, Nick Khamis wrote: Who's paying for this bandwith? What bandwidth? We're discussing disk space usage. Unless you're referring to the bandwidth consumed by the discussion, which jumps massively every time someone quotes and reposts an entire email to add a

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread J. Roeleveld
Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/24/13 07:11, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wed, April 24, 2013 00:16, Joseph wrote: On 04/23/13 20:10, J. Roeleveld wrote: SNIP I am guessing Apache is running on the same machine as your Postgresql server? In this case. The connection will always originate

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:46:12PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough to be able to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-24 Thread Alecks Gates
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello, William. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 03:59:54PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any scope

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:22:36PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote On 24/04/2013 11:37, Philip Webb wrote: 130424 Neil Bothwick wrote: 130423 Philip Webb hadn't read any horror stories re Reiser 3 : Where have you been for the last ten years? Reading this list various Linux news sites.

Re: [gentoo-user] How reliable is ext3?

2013-04-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:04:27 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: I don't know if it's configurable somewhere, but I vaguely recall seeing an occasional bootup where I get a message about the system having gone more than X days without being fsck'd. So it helpfully does it for me automatically and

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread Joseph
On 04/24/13 22:27, J. Roeleveld wrote: [snip] Thank you for explanation. That is what I'm confused about. When I connect to pstgresql database from the same machine as postgres is running on I can understand. It is a local connection from localhost (127.0.0.1) so everybody is allowed but I

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread Joseph
On 04/24/13 22:27, J. Roeleveld wrote: The connection to the database is done by apache. Apache connects from the server where Apache is running. Postgresql does not know nor even care where the connection to apache originates from. It only sees apache connecting to it. If you want to

Re: PVSCSI vs LSI Logic Parallel/SAS - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Best filesystem for virtualized gentoo mail server - WAS: vmWare HowTo / best practices

2013-04-24 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 24, 2013 2:29 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-04-22 8:56 AM, Andre Lucas Falco alfa...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/4/21 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Windows VMs see get an 'LSI Logic SAS', and my gentoo VM gets an 'LSI Logic Parallel' controller. Did

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 4/24/2013 19:23, Joseph wrote: The above is not correct as users from any machine on a local network can connect to my database. In the scenario you described, as Joost explained, the users on your network are *not* connecting to your database; they are connecting to a website. The web

Re: [gentoo-user] PosgreSQL - pg_hba.conf localhost access only

2013-04-24 Thread Joseph
On 04/25/13 00:16, Dustin C. Hatch wrote: On 4/24/2013 19:23, Joseph wrote: The above is not correct as users from any machine on a local network can connect to my database. In the scenario you described, as Joost explained, the users on your network are *not* connecting to your database;