On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:36:43AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
The actual problem is better stated something like this:
In the early stages of user-land setup (around the time when udev is
getting it's act together), arbitrary code can run and that code can be
in any arbitrary place, but
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already
have a starting point.
I'm already looking.
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already
have a starting
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:48:11AM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
To answer Alan's question - the main fault lies on the GNOME project and
the forcing for systemd down user's systems throats.
Additionally, as certina things were added to Linux to enhance
capabilities, the
On 2013-09-29 08:06, Walter Dnes wrote:
What kind of insane udev maintainership do we have? And can we fix it?
By starting from scratch and putting it in the kernel (which will stop
people from being too creative as well, since Linus will not allow
things to break so easily). The BSDs, MacOS
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 02:06:34 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
for /usr being in an LVM or encrypted partition, you need LVM and/or
decryption running first.
Why would you want /usr encrypted but not /? There is nothing private
in /usr, but /etc/ contains password files.
I have used a separate usr in
Am 29.09.2013 10:28, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test other distros until I find one I
Am 29.09.2013 02:08, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 29/09/2013 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
It *really* is that simple. If you have a better solution than my last
two choices, then I am all ears.
the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
everything into / .
I
Am 29.09.2013 01:31, schrieb pk:
On 2013-09-29 01:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
the correct and simple solution would be to deprecate /usr and move
everything into / .
Install Windows and be done with it, I say.
Best regards
Peter K
.
look at history, think and retry.
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to break.
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
Parts of the libraries that systemd depend on we
Am 29.09.2013 13:03, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to
break.
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
Parts of the
Hello, Neil.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:37:50PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:09:38 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction,
now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer
devote the
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply means that beginning November 1, Gentoo devs are not required to
jump through hoops to make apps work on systems with /usr separate from
On 2013-09-28 9:15 AM, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote:
Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
No really,*why exactly*?
Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
set this system up many
Am 27.09.2013 17:55, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
What direction to go? force or disable HPET?
neither
And what to do to avoid those lost interrupts?
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me to
emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
On 2013-09-28 2:18 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
No seperate /usr either
Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known
to even do it. I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the
install guide.
I'm 99% certain it was in the
On 29-Sep-13 16:44, Alain Didierjean wrote:
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me to
emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
IMHO the easiest way is to restore system from backup.
Jarry
On 2013-09-28 3:04 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, William.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01:59AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
I have a pretty simple setup, but I have been using an initramfs which I
built some time ago with genkernel and I barely know it is there.
Until, after some
On 2013-09-28 3:50 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
one reboot. You cp everything into /newuser.
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply means that beginning November 1, Gentoo devs are not required to
jump
2013/9/29 Alain Didierjean alain.didierj...@free.fr:
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me
to emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
Did you check that solution:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:44:29PM +0200, Alain Didierjean wrote:
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me
to emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
Did you unmerge all gcc, or upgrade
Le 29/09/13 à 16:44, Alain Didierjean a tapoté :
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc
allowing me to emerge... gcc ! We're talking about amd64.
Download a bin here :
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr was a good
idea, so / would not fill up and similar idiocies. The problems
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 2:18 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
No seperate /usr either
Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known
to even do it. I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the
install guide.
I'm 99%
On 2013-09-29 12:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
look at history, think and retry.
That's just what I did. Read and retry.
Best regards
Peter K
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 3:04 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, William.
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:01:59AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
I have a pretty simple setup, but I have been using an initramfs
which I
built some time ago with genkernel and I barely know it is there.
On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around
and test
Alain Didierjean wrote:
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me
to emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
I'm amd64 here. I could email you my backup copy. I keep binaries
around
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 05:00:36PM +0200, netfab wrote:
Le 29/09/13 à 16:44, Alain Didierjean a tapoté :
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc
allowing me to emerge... gcc ! We're talking about
Am 29.09.2013 17:12, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr was a good
idea, so / would
Am 29.09.2013 14:07, schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
snipped everything because of stupid 'conspiracy' talk
there was no conspiracy and there will never be one to break seperate /usr.
In fact seperate /usr works just fine.
You just need an initrd/initramfs.
Other distros are using those for ages. So
Am 29.09.2013 17:24, schrieb pk:
On 2013-09-29 12:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
look at history, think and retry.
That's just what I did. Read and retry.
Best regards
Peter K
.
I did, your mail did not make any more sense at all.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 17:12, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying that seperate /usr
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 17:24, schrieb pk:
On 2013-09-29 12:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
look at history, think and retry.
That's just what I did. Read and retry.
Best regards
Peter K
.
I did, your mail did not make any more sense at all.
That could be the
El 29/09/13 18:03, Volker Armin Hemmann escribió:
Am 29.09.2013 17:12, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
the root cause of the problem.
The problems were caused by people saying
On 2013-09-29 18:36, Dale wrote:
That could be the problem then couldn't it?
Indeed. :-)
Best regards
Peter K
On 2013-09-29 10:57 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
This does not mean that on November 1 your system will not be able to boot.
Its simply
On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or
technical, for wanting a separate /usr?
Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it today.
Separate /home, /tmp, /var, yes, good reasons for
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-29 10:57 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:20:49AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 8:30 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
This
On 2013-09-28 6:46 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can
always hit reset then
On 2013-09-29 11:12 AM, Greg Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote:
It is truly layable at the feet of the GNOME folks, the breakage of the
root and usr filesystem separability is all derived from the GNOME camp.
Thanks for the excellent summary... and this explains a lot...
It also doesn't
On 2013-09-29 8:07 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Please be aware the change I was talking about was the decision to break
separate /usr, not the Gentoo devs' reaction to this breakage. Why did
we only become aware of the decision to break separate /usr after it was
too late to do
On 2013-09-28 10:04 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
This, combined with an intense (also maybe irrational) desire to avoid
like the plague using an initramfs, is why this decision to FORCE me
into a position of possibly having to break my
On 2013-09-28 6:36 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
So this brings us back to the essential technical problem that still
needs to be solved on your machines:
/usr needs to be available (and not only for BT keyboards) at the
earliest possible opportunity - this is a technical
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
for this. It is true that it does
On 2013-09-28 12:01 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
There is no reason to rebuild your server; we aren't telling you you
have to merge /usr into /. The only thing we are saying is that you will
need to use an initramfs if you are going to keep them separate.
Which, if you even
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:24:25PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
The news item *IS* the warning.
Oh for *Tanstaafl's* sake... *Tanstaafl*.
If an ebuild maintainer changes something that will BREAK BOOTING on
systems that violate the 'no separate /usr without an initramfs' rule,
what in the
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 11:24 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Dale - I'm honestly curious, what is your reason, philisophical or
technical, for wanting a separate /usr?
Everything I've read says there is no good reason for it today.
Separate /home, /tmp, /var,
On 2013-09-29 2:02 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
You show the smallness of your vocabulary by using profanity.
Rotflmao!
Sometimes profanity actually serves a purpose.
And you show the shallowness of your *nix knowledge by replying with
such nonesense.
Nonsense?
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:07:44 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Neil.
In what way is it patronising?
It talks down to people. It insinuates that the readers don't have the
wherewithal to appreciate that they have been deliberately hurt by
_somebody_ rather than something just happening;
I realized I only need two types of systems in my life. One hosted
server and bunch of identical laptops. My laptop, my wife's laptop,
our HTPC, routers, and office workstations could all be on identical
hardware, and what better choice than a laptop? Extremely
space-efficient, portable,
On 2013-09-29 2:21 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I
seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:53:26 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Precisely. And, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong), that
simply keeping your old kernel/initramfs around is NOT a guarantee (it
might work - and it might NOT) of being able to fallback to a known
working config until you
I'm slowly coming to conclsuion that you are trying to solve a problem
with Gentoo that binary distros already solved a very long time ago. You
are forcing yourself to become the sole maintainer of GrantOS and do all
the heavy lifting of packaging. But, Mint and friends already did all
that
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is
not true.
Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the
kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck
on the difference
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:25:56PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if y ou cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I have never
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I have never had to
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:03:30 -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote:
Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now.
If that were true, the news item that started this thread would never
have been published. Gentoo uses openrc by default, so supporting
separate /usr on non-systemd systems (the
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:10 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can
always hit reset then select
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 6:36 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
So this brings us back to the essential technical problem that still
needs to be solved on your machines:
/usr needs to be available (and not only for BT
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:31:17 -0700, Grant wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't do the building and pushing on my own laptop,
that turns me inot the central server and updates only happen when I'm
in the office. I'd use a central build host and my laptop is just
another client. Not all that
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what
On 29/09/2013 12:55, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 10:28, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote
Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam
On 29/09/2013 13:58, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 29.09.2013 13:03, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL?
They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to
break.
Except that systemd
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
wrote:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote:
that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news.
And their dependency on systemd is just the usual madness. But they are
not to blame for seperate /usr and the breakage it causes.
If not, then what was it? You seem to know what it was
All,
I can clarify one part of the systemd issue, because I have been
involved in this part of the issue for months. Again, I am not trying
to start a dispute here, just providing a clarification.
The choice to install all of the systemd binaries in /usr is not an
upstream choice. It was a
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 04:44:29PM +0200, Alain Didierjean wrote:
I'm in trouble for having stupidly unmerged gcc and gcc-config !
What's the easiest way, if any, to grab and install a binary gcc allowing me
to emerge... gcc !
We're talking about amd64.
I don't know if you solved your issue,
On 29/09/2013 19:43, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 6:46 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike
some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the
previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close.
Don't knock yourself, you don't deserve it :-)
In my day job I get to meet many
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I
chose
On 29/09/2013 17:41, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Exherbo might be worth a look too[1].
It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran
strikes me as the kind of
On 29/09/2013 19:55, Tanstaafl wrote:
[snip]
I have *never* merged a critical filesystem on a critical server like
this before.
Please see the news item for what it actually is, not something else.
I see it as an ultimatum that I *must* change a server that has been
running flawlessly
On 2013-09-29 4:09 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29/09/2013 19:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a
(barely) passable linux sys admin
Allow me to forward an opinion. The above is not true, not even close.
Don't knock
On 29/09/2013 20:55, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-28 6:36 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
So this brings us back to the essential technical problem that still
needs to be solved on your machines:
/usr needs to be
On 29/09/2013 20:36, Grant wrote:
I'm slowly coming to conclsuion that you are trying to solve a problem
with Gentoo that binary distros already solved a very long time ago. You
are forcing yourself to become the sole maintainer of GrantOS and do all
the heavy lifting of packaging. But, Mint
Weird - I thought I replied to this a while ago (I know I started one),
but it disappeared, and is not in my Sent folder and it never made it to
the list...
On 2013-09-29 2:55 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
I am the OpenRC author/maintainer and a member of base-system. I can
On 29/09/2013 20:31, Grant wrote:
[snip]
There's one thing that we haven't touched on, and that's the hardware.
Are they all identical hardware items, or at least compatible? Kernel
builds and hardware-sensitive apps like mplayer are the top reasons
you'd want to centralize things, but those
On 29/09/2013 22:51, Tanstaafl wrote:
Weird - I thought I replied to this a while ago (I know I started one),
but it disappeared, and is not in my Sent folder and it never made it to
the list...
On 2013-09-29 2:55 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
I am the OpenRC
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 02:45:05PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:23:20 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Here's my version of LVM without the overhead of LVM to allow
maximum flexibity, without the overhead of LVM.
This gives you one of the advantages of LVM, the ability to use space on
a single drive as your needs change. It doesn't allow
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that
question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to
abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /...
Simple, I
On 29/09/2013 23:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:23:20 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
Here's my version of LVM without the overhead of LVM to allow
maximum flexibity, without the overhead of LVM.
This gives you one of the advantages of LVM, the ability to use space on
a
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote:
that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news.
And their dependency on systemd is just the usual madness. But they are
not to blame for seperate /usr and the breakage it causes.
If not, then what was it? You seem
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote:
Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is
not true.
Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the
kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck
on
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 06:10:46PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
From REDHATs or SuSEs perspective seperate /usr is not a problem.
Putting lvm/bluetooth/mdraid/whateverthefuckyoumightneed there was
and is not a problem too. Thanks to initrdsco.
And if I wanted to run bleeping Redhat
On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote:
that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news.
And their dependency on systemd is just the usual madness. But they are
not to blame for seperate /usr and the breakage it causes.
If
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one
Am 29.09.2013 18:41, schrieb Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike):
El 29/09/13 18:03, Volker Armin Hemmann escribió:
Am 29.09.2013 17:12, schrieb Greg Woodbury:
On 09/29/2013 07:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
things were broken way before that. As much as I hate systemd, it is not
On 2013-09-29 5:15 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Those numbers are not likely to change much with time, with one exception:
/usr/src
That can get real big real quick if you don't clean up kernel sources
often. Ideally, you'd make that a suitably sized LV and mount it
On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years
shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially
constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)-
it may
Am 30.09.2013 00:06, schrieb Walter Dnes:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 06:10:46PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
From REDHATs or SuSEs perspective seperate /usr is not a problem.
Putting lvm/bluetooth/mdraid/whateverthefuckyoumightneed there was
and is not a problem too. Thanks to initrdsco.
Am 29.09.2013 19:58, schrieb Tanstaafl:
On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:33:55 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
And it also prevents him from using The One True Filesystem That Will
Rule Them All and In the Darkness Bind Them:
ZFS
Now if that was included in the kernel, none of this thread would
matter :)
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