Re: [gentoo-user] Does Acrobat Reader work for anyone?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:52:44 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Since quite a while ago (months), acroread stopped working. It won't start up at all. No error messages are shown. It just aborts. No window is showing up. Anyone else having this problem? I'm on ~amd64. What happens when you start it from a command line? That should give some error messages. -- Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/ Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Does Acrobat Reader work for anyone?
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013, at 15:16, James wrote: Nikos Chantziaras realnc at gmail.com writes: Since quite a while ago (months), acroread stopped working. It won't start up at all. No error messages are shown. It just aborts. No window is showing up. Perhaps a license issue? # Modify /etc/portage/make.conf file for your system: ACCEPT_LICENSE=AdobeFlash-10.3 He has problems with Adobe Acrobat Reader, not Adobe Flash Player. I would also edit /etc/portage/package.license for adding licence exceptions instead of make.conf.
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Thu, Oct 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. thanks, allan I realize that I forgot to attach the list of packages emerge wants to reinstall. So I did the same emerge command (I always use --ask) and they are *gone*. This I don't understand since I didn't sync inbetween (ls -lt /usr/portage shows nothing since wednesday). I though all dependencies, etc are resolved locally so why would it change from 44 packages with 38 reinstalls to 4 packages with no reinstalls? Could someone please set me straight? thanks, allan
[gentoo-user] ZFS formating
Hello, So after readaing quite a bit about ZFS, I still have some simple question(s). Can you install ZFS on a single drive? Does that make sense or is it illogical/dumb to do so? Is the latest version of SystemRescue the best media to use to format disks with ZFS? Caveats? Last, after looking at the thread from 17Sep2013, I have culled. These bookmarks as the best resources to follow (any others?) : http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ZFS Just emerge zfs and its depndancies. Special/additional Flags recommended but not in the aforementioned resource listing? turn off readahead. ZFS' own readahead and the kernel's clash - badly. set it with blockdev to 8 (for example). Doesn't turn it off. Just makes it none-obstrusive. Turn off kernel's readahead for a visible performance boon. use noop as io-scheduler. Has anyone tried hardened and ZFS together? I did - I had some problems, but I'm not sure if they were caused by the combination of ZFS and hardened. There were some issues updating kernel and ZFS (most likely due to ZFS on root and me using ~arch hardened-sources and the live ebuild for zfs). There are some hardened options that are known to be not working (constify was one of them but that should be patched now). I think another one was HIDESYM. There is a (more or less regularly updated blogpost by prometheanfire (installation guide zfs+hardened+luks [1]). So you could ask him or ryao (he seems to support hardened+zfs at least to a certain degree). Very interesting! What I want to experiment with is Pentoo on ZFS and then downloading all the sources to create a secure gentoo installation (hardened)_ by using Pentoo-amd64-2013.0_RC1.9.iso as the starting point. Since the pentoo-installer script does not offer ZFS (yet), I thought I'd just use SystemRescue (systemrescuecd-x86-3.8.1.iso) to set up ZFS? I do not need luks, for this test system. I have recently stopped using the option to built ZFS into the kernel as I ran into problems with vdevs reported as corrupt on the system I was trying this on. They weren't corrupt and mounted fine in System Rescue Cd with modules, and the problem disappeared when I switched to modules. Plan carefully how you are going to create the vdev's before you add them to a pool. Precisely my point, on a single 2T drive, or should I add (required) a second 2T drive for this experiment. After I get this to work, I have a 4 drive system to set up for testing.. http://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/ZFS+and+Advanced+Format+disks Ok, so I have a single 2T seagate, or a pair of seagate 2T or 4 Green 2T WD drives to use for testing. I just thoght a single drive rig would be fastest until I correct all of the missteps (if it can go wrong in an install, I'll find it). Just do ashift=12 and you're good to go. So to recoup, my twist is to use the latest Pentoo install media, becuase it is streamlined and yeilds a hardened system on top of ZFS. Anyone, care to splice in comments, suggestions or clarifications before I invest some days in this venture? curiously, James
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On 01/11/2013 15:41, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Oct 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. thanks, allan I realize that I forgot to attach the list of packages emerge wants to reinstall. So I did the same emerge command (I always use --ask) and they are *gone*. This I don't understand since I didn't sync inbetween (ls -lt /usr/portage shows nothing since wednesday). I though all dependencies, etc are resolved locally so why would it change from 44 packages with 38 reinstalls to 4 packages with no reinstalls? Did you make any changes to make.conf between your previous mail and doing this last test? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Upgrade Question
Hello,
i run emerge -avuDN @world and again must recompile packages. Why, i
understand not why? I have no probs with small packages, but why
again libreoffice? I change nothing in USE Flags, but portage want
recompile. Can me explain someone why?
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] net-print/cups-1.6.4 [1.6.2-r5] USE=X acl dbus filters pam
python ssl threads -debug -gnutls -java -kerberos -lprng-compat (-selinux)
-static-libs -usb -xinetd -zeroconf LINGUAS=fr -ca -es -ja -ru
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%*
-python2_6% 0 kB
[ebuild r U ] app-text/poppler-0.24.3:0/43 [0.22.5:0/37] USE=cairo cxx
introspection jpeg lcms png qt4 tiff utils -cjk -curl -debug -doc -jpeg2k 0 kB
[ebuild r U ] net-print/cups-filters-1.0.36-r1 [1.0.34-r1] USE=jpeg png
tiff -perl -static-libs -zeroconf 0 kB
[ebuild rR] media-gfx/inkscape-0.48.4 USE=lcms nls spell -dia -gnome
-inkjar -postscript -wmf 0 kB
[ebuild rR] app-text/xournal-0.4.7 USE=pdf -vanilla 0 kB
[ebuild rR #] app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 USE=cups dbus gtk opengl vba
(-aqua) -bluetooth -branding -debug -eds -gnome -gstreamer -gtk3 -java
-jemalloc -kde -mysql -odk -postgres -telepathy {-test} -webdav
LIBREOFFICE_EXTENSIONS=presenter-minimizer -nlpsolver -scripting-beanshell
-scripting-javascript -wiki-publisher PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7
-python3_3 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 -python3_3 0 kB
[ebuild rR ~] app-text/calibre-1.7 USE=udisks 0 kB
Total: 7 packages (3 upgrades, 4 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
(see package.unmask in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by @__auto_slot_operator_replace_installed__ (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3
Libreoffice need long time, without big use flags.
gentoomobile siefke # genlop -t libreoffice
* app-office/libreoffice
Mon Jun 17 20:44:35 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.0.3.3
merge time: 13 hours, 28 minutes and 15 seconds.
Fri Jun 21 22:11:39 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.0.4.2
merge time: 13 hours, 39 minutes and 2 seconds.
Wed Jun 26 14:25:10 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.0.1
merge time: 14 hours, 15 minutes and 41 seconds.
Mon Jul 15 09:24:27 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.0.2
merge time: 14 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds.
Sun Sep 22 19:59:07 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.1.2
merge time: 14 hours, 9 minutes and 56 seconds.
Fri Oct 25 00:35:01 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3
merge time: 17 hours, 51 minutes and 30 seconds.
Thanks for help Nice day
Silvio
Re: [gentoo-user] ZFS formating
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:48 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Is the latest version of SystemRescue the best media to use to format disks with ZFS? Caveats? the latest gentoo live image has full zfs support on it -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+: http://google.com/+DouglasHunley
[gentoo-user] Re: ZFS formating
Douglas J Hunley doug.hunley at gmail.com writes: the latest gentoo live image has full zfs support on it -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hunley at gmail.com) livedvd-x86-amd64-32ul-20121221.iso Is what you are referring to? I suggested using SystemRescue, because I had to clean up (hack extensively) on Grub2 before the system would boot standalone. In that first Pentoo install, I use ext2 for /boot and ext4 for / If I use ZFS, /boot / and swap are all ZFS partitions, right? That's probably the last thing I'm working on is the Exact, simple disk/partion/ZFS setup to experiment around with the Pentoo workstation Besides, I'm not the swiftest on this list at juggling the intersection of GPT, UEFI, Grub2 and the newer file systems. Not to mention mtab, fstab, systemD etc etc... So you will not insult me, offering up snippent, syntax and a copy of a working (ZFS) fstab and grub file details James
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Fri, Nov 01 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 01/11/2013 15:41, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Oct 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. thanks, allan I realize that I forgot to attach the list of packages emerge wants to reinstall. So I did the same emerge command (I always use --ask) and they are *gone*. This I don't understand since I didn't sync inbetween (ls -lt /usr/portage shows nothing since wednesday). I though all dependencies, etc are resolved locally so why would it change from 44 packages with 38 reinstalls to 4 packages with no reinstalls? Did you make any changes to make.conf between your previous mail and doing this last test? Good question, but no. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 709 Sep 18 14:58 /etc/portage/make.conf allan
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On 01/11/2013 17:43, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Fri, Nov 01 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 01/11/2013 15:41, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Oct 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. thanks, allan I realize that I forgot to attach the list of packages emerge wants to reinstall. So I did the same emerge command (I always use --ask) and they are *gone*. This I don't understand since I didn't sync inbetween (ls -lt /usr/portage shows nothing since wednesday). I though all dependencies, etc are resolved locally so why would it change from 44 packages with 38 reinstalls to 4 packages with no reinstalls? Did you make any changes to make.conf between your previous mail and doing this last test? Good question, but no. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 709 Sep 18 14:58 /etc/portage/make.conf allan I think we can agree that something must have changed on your system in the last few days, we just have to find it. Otherwise we'd have to concede that portage has code like this: if rnd(0,2) do_stupid_emerge() else do_sensible_emerge() endif I reckon it's safe to assume portage does not contain code like that :-) Did you run any portage commands at all that cause changes since Wednesday? emerge @preserved-rebuild and depclean are good candidates, I often forget about those myself. How about any file at all in /etc/portage that changes since wednesday? Or /var/lib/portage/world*? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:11:59PM -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. I don't remember seeing your emerge output; but if this has to do with pyton-exec you're not in the boat alone ... it is terribly fubared atm. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade Question
On 01/11/2013 16:19, Silvio Siefke wrote:
Hello,
i run emerge -avuDN @world and again must recompile packages. Why, i
understand not why? I have no probs with small packages, but why
again libreoffice? I change nothing in USE Flags, but portage want
recompile. Can me explain someone why?
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] net-print/cups-1.6.4 [1.6.2-r5] USE=X acl dbus filters pam
python ssl threads -debug -gnutls -java -kerberos -lprng-compat (-selinux)
-static-libs -usb -xinetd -zeroconf LINGUAS=fr -ca -es -ja -ru
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%*
-python2_6% 0 kB
[ebuild r U ] app-text/poppler-0.24.3:0/43 [0.22.5:0/37] USE=cairo cxx
introspection jpeg lcms png qt4 tiff utils -cjk -curl -debug -doc -jpeg2k 0
kB
[ebuild r U ] net-print/cups-filters-1.0.36-r1 [1.0.34-r1] USE=jpeg png
tiff -perl -static-libs -zeroconf 0 kB
[ebuild rR] media-gfx/inkscape-0.48.4 USE=lcms nls spell -dia -gnome
-inkjar -postscript -wmf 0 kB
[ebuild rR] app-text/xournal-0.4.7 USE=pdf -vanilla 0 kB
[ebuild rR #] app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 USE=cups dbus gtk opengl
vba (-aqua) -bluetooth -branding -debug -eds -gnome -gstreamer -gtk3 -java
-jemalloc -kde -mysql -odk -postgres -telepathy {-test} -webdav
LIBREOFFICE_EXTENSIONS=presenter-minimizer -nlpsolver -scripting-beanshell
-scripting-javascript -wiki-publisher PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7
-python3_3 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 -python3_3 0 kB
[ebuild rR ~] app-text/calibre-1.7 USE=udisks 0 kB
Thsi is not the first time you ask the question Why does package X need
to be rebuilt? Every time you want to know this, run emerge again with
the -t option, it shows the dependency tree and that shows you why the
package is being rebuilt.
In this specific case, it's poppler.
Poppler is the second most annoying package in the universe (first is
icu). The way it is coded and built, every tiny little change seems to
cause API/ABI changes and means that everything using it must be
rebuilt. What uses poppler? Almost everything that tries to deal with
pdf, and that is half of app-text and app-office. That's just how it is.
Look in the ebuilds for libreoffice, inkscape and xournal. Each one of
them has a DEPEND something like this:
=app-text/poppler-0.16:=[xpdf-headers(+),cxx]
Notice the := in there, that's a sub-slot operator and it triggers a
rebuild of libreoffice everytime poppler is upgraded. Your emerge output
shows that poppler is to be upgraded and that's why libreoffice now
needs to be upgraded too. If you don't upgrade it, it might be broken
(or maybe not, it's almost impossible to tell). Dont blame libreoffice,
blame the poppler devs and tell them to get their act together and stop
changing stuff every other day.
Total: 7 packages (3 upgrades, 4 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
(see package.unmask in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by @__auto_slot_operator_replace_installed__ (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3
You also need to deal with this.
You masked libreoffice-4.1.2.3 but it's also still installed. That is
inconsistent; either unmask it and rebuild or leave it masked and downgrade.
Libreoffice need long time, without big use flags.
gentoomobile siefke # genlop -t libreoffice
* app-office/libreoffice
Mon Jun 17 20:44:35 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.0.3.3
merge time: 13 hours, 28 minutes and 15 seconds.
Fri Jun 21 22:11:39 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.0.4.2
merge time: 13 hours, 39 minutes and 2 seconds.
Wed Jun 26 14:25:10 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.0.1
merge time: 14 hours, 15 minutes and 41 seconds.
Mon Jul 15 09:24:27 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.0.2
merge time: 14 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds.
Sun Sep 22 19:59:07 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.1.2
merge time: 14 hours, 9 minutes and 56 seconds.
Fri Oct 25 00:35:01 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3
merge time: 17 hours, 51 minutes and 30 seconds.
Thanks for help Nice day
Silvio
--
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Fri, Nov 01 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 01/11/2013 17:43, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Fri, Nov 01 2013, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 01/11/2013 15:41, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Oct 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: I think we can agree that something must have changed on your system in the last few days, we just have to find it. Did you run any portage commands at all that cause changes since Wednesday? emerge @preserved-rebuild and depclean are good candidates, I often forget about those myself. /var/log/portage/elog shows that the last entry was for tar at 30 nov just after midnight. That was the tail end of an update world that included chromium, which ended just before tar. So about 9:30pm on tuesday I started an update world that ended about 3 hours later. I see no activity after that. The emerges after that (all --ask) were aborted when I saw all the reinstalls and then I sent the email to the group. How about any file at all in /etc/portage that changes since wednesday? None newlap gottlieb # ls -l /tmp/ts; find /etc/portage -newer /tmp/ts -ls -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 1 00:00 /tmp/ts 11908384 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 7 10:12 /etc/portage/package.mask 11881564 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2550 Oct 7 10:13 /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 11907594 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 8 16:15 /etc/portage/postsync.d 11905864 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68 Oct 8 16:14 /etc/portage/postsync.d/q-reinitialize 11907614 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 8 16:15 /etc/portage/bin 11904674 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 190 Oct 8 16:14 /etc/portage/bin/post_sync Or /var/lib/portage/world*? newlap gottlieb # ls -l /var/lib/portage/world* -rw-r--r-- 1 root portage 1048 Oct 15 19:27 /var/lib/portage/world -rw-r--r-- 1 root portage 1098 Sep 9 17:21 /var/lib/portage/world~ -rw-r--r-- 1 root portage0 Oct 15 19:27 /var/lib/portage/world_sets I do appreciate your efforts and this hunting was instructive for me, but I can't see you spending any more time on it. I must have done something wrong (beyond not including the output of the update world with 38 reinstalls). The status now is that update world only wants to update poppler, util-linux, icu, and python-exec. I have not re- synced. I imagine it is quite safe to do this update (perhaps the python-exec will then trigger more later). I will first update a less important machine that also includes python-exec and if nothing terrible occurs will update the main machine. I do feel bad for time others have spent on what was clearly some unknown user error on my part. thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade Question
Hello, On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 22:40:15 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Thsi is not the first time you ask the question Why does package X need to be rebuilt? Every time you want to know this, run emerge again with the -t option, it shows the dependency tree and that shows you why the package is being rebuilt. Yes that's right I'm sorry that I nerve. Maybe i change to Arch, i has installed on other Netbook and run without Problems and for a binary System is fast. In this specific case, it's poppler. Poppler is the second most annoying package in the universe (first is icu). The way it is coded and built, every tiny little change seems to cause API/ABI changes and means that everything using it must be rebuilt. What uses poppler? Almost everything that tries to deal with pdf, and that is half of app-text and app-office. That's just how it is. Look in the ebuilds for libreoffice, inkscape and xournal. Each one of them has a DEPEND something like this: =app-text/poppler-0.16:=[xpdf-headers(+),cxx] Yes i have see that and has find out that poppler is the problem. Notice the := in there, that's a sub-slot operator and it triggers a rebuild of libreoffice everytime poppler is upgraded. Your emerge output shows that poppler is to be upgraded and that's why libreoffice now needs to be upgraded too. If you don't upgrade it, it might be broken (or maybe not, it's almost impossible to tell). Dont blame libreoffice, blame the poppler devs and tell them to get their act together and stop changing stuff every other day. I has run libreoffice without problems, but i not use the pdf function in libreoffice. I write and print :) . I deal at moment with Abiword and Gnumeric. I think its enough so that i should delete libreoffice. Then only Webkit of GTK, QT and GCC which need more as one hour. You also need to deal with this. You masked libreoffice-4.1.2.3 but it's also still installed. That is inconsistent; either unmask it and rebuild or leave it masked and downgrade. Yes i mask bigger package when i saw in @world and not see why should run upgrade. I know Gentoo is rolling release, but in some things must not really be or? Thanks for teaching about poppler. I not know thats so important. And what do ICU? Its language files or? So again im sorry i nerve i know, but thats we can say so: Social Contacts important :) I find funny because the bigger Programs or important Stuff like kernel has never and in panic, and so small program like poppler make panic. When someone say size is important, hhh they not know what they say. Thank you Greetings Silvio
[gentoo-user] KDE Konqueror
Hello, I cannot run any youtube videos with Konqueror. Any suggestions? They run fine in Firefox. John D Maunder
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
Well, I got the cable in. I hooked it up, nothing. H. Then I turned around to look at my regular monitor and KDE had a pop up about a new video device. Oh really. I clicked to set it up and now I have a picture. No sound tho. I can't watch videos with no sound. I'll need to work on that. ;-) I just hope this cable is going to be long enough after I run it under the floor. I think it will but it's going to be close. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade Question
On 02/11/2013 01:31, Silvio Siefke wrote: You also need to deal with this. You masked libreoffice-4.1.2.3 but it's also still installed. That is inconsistent; either unmask it and rebuild or leave it masked and downgrade. Yes i mask bigger package when i saw in @world and not see why should run upgrade. I know Gentoo is rolling release, but in some things must not really be or? gentoo is what it is, there's no such thing as it must be this or it must be that. When libreoffice releases a new version, gentoo probably releases a new ebuild to match. It's just that simple. If you don't want to upgrade, mask all higher versions than the one you have. Thanks for teaching about poppler. I not know thats so important. And what do ICU? Its language files or? International Components for Unicode. So again im sorry i nerve i know, but thats we can say so: Social Contacts important :) I find funny because the bigger Programs or important Stuff like kernel has never and in panic, and so small program like poppler make panic. When someone say size is important, hhh they not know what they say. I don't understand. Size has nothing to do with it. Program X needs library Y. Library Y changes. Program X needs to be rebuilt. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On 01/11/2013 23:56, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I do appreciate your efforts and this hunting was instructive for me, but I can't see you spending any more time on it. I must have done something wrong (beyond not including the output of the update world with 38 reinstalls). No problem The status now is that update world only wants to update poppler, util-linux, icu, and python-exec. I have not re- synced. I imagine it is quite safe to do this update (perhaps the python-exec will then trigger more later). Uh-oh. Poppler and icu. Be prepared for all those updates to come rushing back with preserved-rebuild. Including libreoffice. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade Question
Am Freitag, 01.11.2013 um 15:19 schrieb Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de: Libreoffice need long time, without big use flags. gentoomobile siefke # genlop -t libreoffice * app-office/libreoffice [...] Fri Oct 25 00:35:01 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 merge time: 17 hours, 51 minutes and 30 seconds. Maybe you should consider to use ccache. It considerable reduces the merge time if you have to rebuild a package. Tue Oct 22 22:05:31 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 merge time: 1 hour, 24 minutes and 27 seconds. Fri Nov 1 19:06:17 2013 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 merge time: 9 minutes and 5 seconds. Regards
