Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-11 15:03 GMT-06:00 Alan Mackenzie : > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > http server (or, for that matter, an SSH server), for whatever purpose, > should be for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: >> On 12/11 05:13, David Haller wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib64\"

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

It's a problem because it's a manufactured dependency rather than one that is necessary or would usually happen, and again systemd gives you no choice, no control.  It was done to inflate a fragile ego in some one who should perhaps feel some shame over some of his responses to legitimate bugs,

Re: [gentoo-user] Compiling maim/slop failed

Hi, On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 02:36:23 + tu...@posteo.de wrote: […] As always...any survival tips are very welcome...;) In case your search is broken, I’ve done it for you: Bonus: When signed in there, you can put yourself to the CC list and

Re: [gentoo-user] Compiling maim/slop failed

On 2017-12-12 02:36, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > before the profile was updated this compiles fine. My system > was (say before my personal profilegeddon) and is not multilib. > So why is that a problem as it was not before...? > > > Source compiled. Test phase [not enabled]:

[gentoo-user] Compiling maim/slop failed

Hi, before the profile was updated this compiles fine. My system was (say before my personal profilegeddon) and is not multilib. So why is that a problem as it was not before...? >>> Source compiled. >>> Test phase [not enabled]: x11-misc/slop-6.3.46 >>> Install slop-6.3.46 into

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

Hi, On 12/11 09:07, David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >On 12/11 05:13, David Haller wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >> >x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" > >>

[gentoo-user] Re: How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

Am Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:12:49 +0100 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: > On 12/11/2017 05:58:42 PM, David Haller wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> >But now, don't ask me why, >> >chroot /OtherGentoo /bin/bash >> >dies of a segment fault. >> > >> >Is there any means to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Monday, 11 December 2017 19:20:24 GMT Wol's lists wrote: > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the Gnome > desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. Nor I. it's second only to M$ in its arrogance. -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: btrfs raid 5/6

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 09:49:29PM +, Wols Lists wrote: > On 07/12/17 21:37, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Ooooh, I just came up with another good reason for raidz over mirror: > > I don't encrypt my drives because it doesn't hold sensitive stuff. (AFAIK > > native ZFS encryption is available

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:21 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > http server (or, for that matter, an SSH server), for whatever purpose, > should be for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 18:56:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> This may come as a surprise to some, but some things you hear on >> t'internet are not true... >> >> For example, the http server is there to allow access to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Hello, Neil. On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 18:56:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:30 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > > was

Re: [gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 2:45 PM, David Haller wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >>Strangely enough, dmesg shows >> >>systemd-coredump[25375]: Failed to connect to coredump service: No such file > ^^ >>or directory >> >>although I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

Hello, On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >My procedure is quite similar, I only use > >mount --rbind /dev/ "${root}/dev" Ah, that's nice for /dev/{pts,shm,usb}/ ;) >I've tried >catchsegv chroot /OtherGentoo /bin/bash > >as well as > >chroot /OtherGentoo catchsegv /bin/bash > >In

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

Hello, On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: >On 12/11 05:13, David Haller wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: >> >x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" >> >-DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib64\" -DINCLUDEDIR=\"/usr/include\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. >>

Re: [gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

Helmut Jarausch wrote: > On 12/11/2017 05:58:42 PM, David Haller wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> >But now, don't ask me why, >> >chroot  /OtherGentoo   /bin/bash >> >dies of a segment fault. >> > >> >Is there any means to repair such a Gentoo system short of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 10/12/17 23:08, Walter Dnes wrote: Oddly enough, although the details are different, that passage I've quoted pretty accurately describes how I feel about Gnome ...:-) I can't find it right now on Google, but I vaguely remember that Lennart asked the Gnome people to make systemd a hard

Re: [gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

On 12/11/2017 05:58:42 PM, David Haller wrote: Hello, On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >But now, don't ask me why, >chroot /OtherGentoo /bin/bash >dies of a segment fault. > >Is there any means to repair such a Gentoo system short of rebuilding it >(nearly) from scratch? How

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:30 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log, > being forced (so I

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

On 12/11 06:38, Raffaele Belardi wrote: > tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > On 12/11 10:12, Raffaele Belardi wrote: > >> tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >>> > >>> sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1 failed to compile with this: > >>> > >>> How can I recompile make -- it is still non-PIE and one of those > >>> application

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

tu...@posteo.de wrote: > On 12/11 10:12, Raffaele Belardi wrote: >> tu...@posteo.de wrote: >>> >>> sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1 failed to compile with this: >>> >>> How can I recompile make -- it is still non-PIE and one of those >>> application which I cant convince to be friendly to gcc :) >>> >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

On 12/11 10:12, Raffaele Belardi wrote: > tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1 failed to compile with this: > > > > > Online I found articles which explain, why it is not recommended to > > use alloca() at all: > > RETURN VALUE The alloca() function returns a pointer

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

On 12/11 05:13, David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" > >-DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib64\" -DINCLUDEDIR=\"/usr/include\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. > >-I./glob-march=native -O2 -pipe -c -o remote-stub.o

Re: [gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

Hello, On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >But now, don't ask me why, >chroot /OtherGentoo /bin/bash >dies of a segment fault. > >Is there any means to repair such a Gentoo system short of rebuilding it >(nearly) from scratch? How about a bit of debugging first? # catchsegv chroot

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

Hello, On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, tu...@posteo.de wrote: >x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" >-DLIBDIR=\"/usr/lib64\" -DINCLUDEDIR=\"/usr/include\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. >-I./glob-march=native -O2 -pipe -c -o remote-stub.o remote-stub.c >x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc

[gentoo-user] How to repair a 'secondary Gentoo system'

Hi, I have built a 'secondary' GenToo system on a separate partition. (This system contains far less packages and uses only CFLAGS for the older hardware of my wife's laptop). Until now I've always chrooted into that folder; there I've updated Gentoo regularly. But now, don't ask me why,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:02:24PM +, Wols Lists wrote >> On 10/12/17 10:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>> I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal >>> process of choice and selection that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

Apologies, systemd is in centos/RHEL starting with V7.  I just checked, somewhere in the last few months i misinterpreted something drastically, i was sure systemd was gone, sadly it's not.  Guess i'll be installing etc. today, Centos 6.9 can't run the newest firefox due to a dependency that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

detail, the machine with centos is running 6.9, systemd was in V7+ i'll have to check that.  systemd was i believe in the later versions of V6.  I will check, it's been a hell of a year with many frustrations and my memory of V7 might be wrong, i'll be installing the latest centos later today

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

I've been using centos on one machine and checked.  When it was there it showed up in the process manager.  just checked system monitor ,it's using /sbin/init, manual for init on that machine says "upstart".  man entry also says "init is event-based init daemon"..."this is different to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, at 13:22, mad.scientist.at.la...@tutanota.com wrote:> interestingly, RH (and Centos) have both dumped systemd and gone to > another system (I don't remember which one). In fact they've done so > retroactively on earlier versions. Of course the continuing take over > of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 2017-12-11 13:39, Mick wrote: On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution > to > this thread; Good. I can't remember

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

mad.scientist.at.large (a good madscientist) -- 11. Dec 2017 05:39 by michaelkintz...@gmail.com: > On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <>> can...@gmail.com>> >> > > wrote: > >> > Just my two cents. I will not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution > > to > > this thread; > > Good. I can't remember any intervention from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > [...] Documentation not for "end-users", "just works" stuff, users should not stress their little heads, we Drs. know best? I rest my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

On 12/10/2017 11:31 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > Against my better judgement, > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its >> programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1 failed to compile with this: > > Online I found articles which explain, why it is not recommended to > use alloca() at all: > RETURN VALUE The alloca() function returns a pointer to the beginning of the > allocated space. If the