Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 10:34:27 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:24:48 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the > > > Gnome desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. > > > > Nor I. it's second only to M$ in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:11:47 +, Wols Lists wrote: > The two big problems I really can lay at systemd's feet is that the boot > occasionally fails and says "dumping you into plymouth console" but > doesn't - this goes away with a reboot ... hey reboots aren't supposed > to fix problems in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread allan gottlieb
On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution to >> this thread; > > Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:55:15 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You seem to know systemd reasonably well - maybe you've got it > installed and you're using it. Please tell me whether my suspicion > above (that systemd builds stuff into the system that is likely to be > superfluous to a user, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/12/17 18:55, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > You seem to know systemd reasonably well - maybe you've got it > installed and you're using it. Please tell me whether my suspicion > above (that systemd builds stuff into the system that is likely to be > superfluous to a user, and possibly forces its

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello. On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 01:01:29 -0600, J García wrote: > 2017-12-11 15:03 GMT-06:00 Alan Mackenzie : > > OK. But it's still there taking up RAM, and (more importantly) makes a > > systemd system a broader target for attacks. Whether a system has an > > http server (or, for

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: btrfs raid 5/6

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:18:23 +, Wols Lists wrote: > > That means every write has to be encrypted 4 times, whereas using > > encryption in the filesystem means it only has to be done once. I > > tried setting encrypted BTRFS this way and there was a significant > > performance hit. I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Arve Barsnes
On 12 December 2017 at 12:11, Wols Lists wrote: > Then there's ASCII - is that parity off? parity on? parity set? > Then there's lines separated by - or is that ? or is that with optional trailing NULL>? > And that's just the versions I know of and have met ... > >

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: btrfs raid 5/6

2017-12-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/12/17 10:15, Neil Bothwick wrote: > That means every write has to be encrypted 4 times, whereas using > encryption in the filesystem means it only has to be done once. I tried > setting encrypted BTRFS this way and there was a significant performance > hit. I'm seriously considering going

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 11/12/17 22:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> I don't want a binary logging daemon either: that means having to learn >> > a special purpose utility to be able to read its logs, and, in general, >> > not being able to read that log from a remote machine. > "journalctl" is just the same as "less

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > "journalctl" is just the same as "less /var/log/messages" so here's > not much to learn unless you want to use the search features. Reading > the log from a remote machine is easy, using either SSH or HTTP, > whichever

Re: [gentoo-user] Make failed to compile: symbol __alloca not found...

2017-12-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Raffaele Belardi wrote: > > Or dig into why the following happens, i.e. why is __alloca not > > defined in glob_in_dir() ... > > > > I don't think it's glibc, here make compiles fine: It is built into gcc, but you need the right include file that defines: #define

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:24:48 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I more and more get the feeling that linux is standardising on the > > Gnome desktop, which I really just DO NOT get on with. > > Nor I. it's second only to M$ in its arrogance. I have three gnome packages installed on this KDE

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:01:29 -0600, J García wrote: > It is actually more useful to check the software, than lose your time > with so many words on this list. Spoilsport! -- Neil Bothwick I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! pgptPT_YYZXNh.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: btrfs raid 5/6

2017-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 00:20:48 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > My new drives are finally here. One of them turned out to be an OEM. -_- > The shop says it will cover any warranty claims and it’s not a backyard > seller either, so methinks I’ll keep it. > > To evaluate LUKS, I created the