Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:10 AM Jack wrote: > > On 1/28/23 05:35, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: > > > >> Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly > >> asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. > > I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs more > > than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream as well. > > I"m actually the one who first heard that the original maintainer had > died. (I had written to him about some support issue, and got a belated > reply from his brother.) Upstream is not dead at all, the activity > level is just fairly low. I tried to post to -dev, but my message never > got through, not sure if it's because I'm not a dev or I made some other > error in sending. The homepage is at htttps://gkrellm.srcbox.net with > source at https://git.srcbox.net/gkrellm/gkrellm. > > The main problem is that is still uses gtk+2. They do have an open > issue about that, but most of the discussion has been on why it would be > so hard to upgrade. There is apparently a lot of fairly low-level > graphics stuff going on, and Bill himself (the original maintainer) said > something like the conversion to gkt+3 would be difficult, but to go to > gtk+4 (I have no idea how far off this is) would essentially be a re-write. > > Jack > I don't know enough about Gentoo anymore but couldn't some smart dev-type build the whole thing as a static package where if you wanted to install it you just get the binary and run it? Or does it have so many dependencies that would be insane to do that? There are a couple of small MIDI/recording apps I use that are that way, but they don't have much of a visual interface. They look like they are from the Windows 98 era.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Saturday, 28 January 2023 16:08:04 GMT Jack wrote: > On 1/28/23 05:35, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: > >> Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly > >> asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. > > > > I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs > > more than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream > > as well. > I"m actually the one who first heard that the original maintainer had > died. (I had written to him about some support issue, and got a belated > reply from his brother.) Upstream is not dead at all, the activity > level is just fairly low. I tried to post to -dev, but my message never > got through, not sure if it's because I'm not a dev or I made some other > error in sending. The homepage is at htttps://gkrellm.srcbox.net with > source at https://git.srcbox.net/gkrellm/gkrellm. My mistake. It's so long since I heard anything that I thought it must have died with Bill. > The main problem is that is still uses gtk+2. They do have an open > issue about that, but most of the discussion has been on why it would be > so hard to upgrade. There is apparently a lot of fairly low-level > graphics stuff going on, and Bill himself (the original maintainer) said > something like the conversion to gkt+3 would be difficult, but to go to > gtk+4 (I have no idea how far off this is) would essentially be a re-write. > > Jack -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
Jack wrote: > On 1/28/23 05:35, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: >> >>> Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly >>> asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. >> I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it >> needs more >> than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream >> as well. > > I"m actually the one who first heard that the original maintainer had > died. (I had written to him about some support issue, and got a > belated reply from his brother.) Upstream is not dead at all, the > activity level is just fairly low. I tried to post to -dev, but my > message never got through, not sure if it's because I'm not a dev or I > made some other error in sending. The homepage is at > htttps://gkrellm.srcbox.net with source at > https://git.srcbox.net/gkrellm/gkrellm. > > The main problem is that is still uses gtk+2. They do have an open > issue about that, but most of the discussion has been on why it would > be so hard to upgrade. There is apparently a lot of fairly low-level > graphics stuff going on, and Bill himself (the original maintainer) > said something like the conversion to gkt+3 would be difficult, but to > go to gtk+4 (I have no idea how far off this is) would essentially be > a re-write. > > Jack So whoever takes it over will have some serious work to do in the short term and even more work in the future. I hope upstream is able to keep gkrellm alive. It sounds like quite a task. I'm glad to hear that upstream is still alive, even if moving slowly. Maybe they working on a rewrite but not saying anything publicly. Hey, if we gonna hope, hope big. ;-) Thanks for this info. Maybe there is hope. I just hope they cancel the last rites too. Dale :-) :-) P.S. They did last rites on Gnome mplayer ages ago. I still have the thing installed and use it quite often. I use smplayer for watching on my TV but use Gnome player to watch something on my puter monitor, usually something short. Even tho it is removed from the tree, it still works. Every once in a while I run up on a new video with some encoding Gnome mplayer doesn't support. I use QMplayer2 as a backup. I guess gkrellm would work for a while if it was removed. It may even compile for a while to, for those who put a ebuild in a local overlay to install.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On 1/28/23 05:35, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs more than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream as well. I"m actually the one who first heard that the original maintainer had died. (I had written to him about some support issue, and got a belated reply from his brother.) Upstream is not dead at all, the activity level is just fairly low. I tried to post to -dev, but my message never got through, not sure if it's because I'm not a dev or I made some other error in sending. The homepage is at htttps://gkrellm.srcbox.net with source at https://git.srcbox.net/gkrellm/gkrellm. The main problem is that is still uses gtk+2. They do have an open issue about that, but most of the discussion has been on why it would be so hard to upgrade. There is apparently a lot of fairly low-level graphics stuff going on, and Bill himself (the original maintainer) said something like the conversion to gkt+3 would be difficult, but to go to gtk+4 (I have no idea how far off this is) would essentially be a re-write. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] Soft scrolling on framebuffer consoles - New version of the patch - with GPM handling.
On Friday, 27 January 2023 22:31:17 GMT Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:24:41 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: --->8 > > I've attached the reject files. > > Thanks for these! It looks like it'll probably be straightforward to > amend the patch for 6.1.8. Are you currently running 6.1.8 as your main > kernel? Yes Alan, I'm running ~amd64, so 6.1.8 is the current kernel. I have 5.15.88 as a backup. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
Wol wrote: > LWN tipped off. If they run an article, we might get a new upstream. > > Cheers, > Wol > > On 28/01/2023 06:20, Dale wrote: >> Michał Górny wrote: >>> # Michał Górny (2023-01-27) >>> # GKrellM and a variety of plugins. It's unmaintained for some time. >>> # Upstream homepage is gone, and the whole suite is collecting dust >>> # and patches. >>> # Removal on 2023-02-26. Bug #892251. >>> > > . > That will reach a wider audience than my little email here. I'm sure gkrellm is widely used. It's just so easy to work with. Heck, even adding or changing themes is drop dead easy, I do it without a how to for goodness sake. o_O I hope they do a article on it. That gives me hope it can stay around for a while. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 11:37:20 +, Michael wrote: > haven't used conky for some years now, its development must have > improved since. [...] Anyway, > even after spending time configuring it to suit my requirements, I > found gkrellms to be better in every respect. Same here, which is why I switched back. Conky is better looking but for function, GKrellM wins. -- Neil Bothwick This is the day for firm decisions! Or is it? pgpHKbiEgAoYi.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
LWN tipped off. If they run an article, we might get a new upstream. Cheers, Wol On 28/01/2023 06:20, Dale wrote: Michał Górny wrote: # Michał Górny (2023-01-27) # GKrellM and a variety of plugins. It's unmaintained for some time. # Upstream homepage is gone, and the whole suite is collecting dust # and patches. # Removal on 2023-02-26. Bug #892251.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Saturday, 28 January 2023 11:12:26 GMT Dale wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: > >> Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly > >> asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. > > > > I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs > > more than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream > > as well. > I agree. It needs someone to take care of it not only for Gentoo but > for other distros as well. It will be more than just keeping the ebuild > up to date. I'm hoping that someone somewhere will take it up. I'd > think it is used by a lot of people. Surely someone can do coding > updates as well. Only needs one, maybe two, people. > > I found a video on conky. Link below. It's kinda scattered so I found > myself skipping ahead. There is a few times where it shows what it > looks like. Set up could be a nightmare for someone like me. It sounds > pretty complicated. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtpLEoRKmg > > Home page has a couple screenshots too. > > https://github.com/brndnmtthws/conky#screenshots > > Conky may work but I don't see me liking it as much as I do gkrellm. > > I hope someone will take it over and keep gkrellm running. Maybe then a > dev can keep the ebuilds updated. Given the original guy died, someone > has to replace him for sure. > > Let's keep our fingers crossed. ;-) > > Dale > > :-) :-) I haven't used conky for some years now, its development must have improved since. I recall some problem when setting it up as dockable. It didn't play nice with other windows - but that may had something to do with the window manager I was using back then. Anyway, even after spending time configuring it to suit my requirements, I found gkrellms to be better in every respect. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: > >> Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly >> asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. > I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs > more > than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream as well. > I agree. It needs someone to take care of it not only for Gentoo but for other distros as well. It will be more than just keeping the ebuild up to date. I'm hoping that someone somewhere will take it up. I'd think it is used by a lot of people. Surely someone can do coding updates as well. Only needs one, maybe two, people. I found a video on conky. Link below. It's kinda scattered so I found myself skipping ahead. There is a few times where it shows what it looks like. Set up could be a nightmare for someone like me. It sounds pretty complicated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtpLEoRKmg Home page has a couple screenshots too. https://github.com/brndnmtthws/conky#screenshots Conky may work but I don't see me liking it as much as I do gkrellm. I hope someone will take it over and keep gkrellm running. Maybe then a dev can keep the ebuilds updated. Given the original guy died, someone has to replace him for sure. Let's keep our fingers crossed. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Saturday, 28 January 2023 09:17:35 GMT Michael wrote: > Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly > asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. I too am finding it hard to imagine life without gkrellm. I think it needs more than just a maintainer though - it needs a replacement for upstream as well. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Saturday, 28 January 2023 08:05:47 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 00:20:03 -0600, Dale wrote: > > Second, if no one takes it over, what could be used in its place? I'll > > be honest, I don't know of anything that could replace it but I've never > > thought about looking either. I'm looking into app-admin category but > > don't see anything obvious to replace it. > > The only thing I've found that comes close is app-admin/conky - it's nice > but a bit awkward to set up. The last time I troed it was a few years ago > and there was the odd issue so I went back to GkrellM. I haven't looked for a replacement of gkrellms for some years now. At the time I was trying out different desktops and gkrellms was having some problems integrating with some of them. I've tried conky and have seen/tried Desktop Info, wxWidgets, Übersicht and even xrootwindow. For my needs no other offering comes remotely close to the gkrellms in terms of helping me with a single glance to spot issues with my system. It is akin to the clocks on a car dashboard. Yes, I can drive without them, but other than noise and vibration I'd have no other feedback from the engine. Whenever I'm on a desktop without gkrellms (e.g. MacOS), I find myself instintively searching for it and even getting frustrated gkrellms is not there. Since my coding ability is even worse than Dale's I join him in kindly asking for a maintainer/dev to take it on and keep it running. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
On 2023-01-20, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: [...] > Either these mail identification numbers should be somehow visible and > in particular searchable at > >https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ > > or the mail that some mail couldn't be delivered should contain more in- > formation like author, date and subject. And Message-ID... at least that one would enable searching for the specific message in other archives too. (Also, why is Date different between the actual message and the web archive under gentoo.org?) -- Nuno Silva
Re: [gentoo-user] Last rites: app-admin/gkrellm & plugins
On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 00:20:03 -0600, Dale wrote: > Second, if no one takes it over, what could be used in its place? I'll > be honest, I don't know of anything that could replace it but I've never > thought about looking either. I'm looking into app-admin category but > don't see anything obvious to replace it. The only thing I've found that comes close is app-admin/conky - it's nice but a bit awkward to set up. The last time I troed it was a few years ago and there was the odd issue so I went back to GkrellM. -- Neil Bothwick Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on the earth. pgp76MI_1VKzP.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
