Re: [gentoo-user] first ebuild, looking for reviewer
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:50:54 -0500 Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| mkdir /usr/share/castpodder
| cp -f -R * /usr/share/castpodder
dodir /usr/share/castpodder
cp -f -R * ${D}/usr/share/castpodder
will work. Or insinto and doins -r, if you prefer.
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Re: [gentoo-user] make -j 4 recoverable ?
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:43:56 +0100 (CET) Meino Christian Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | With make -j 4, which I could add to the make flags, compiling is a | lot faster. But some packages may fail to compile. You absolutely do not want to do make -j 4... The space matters. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What on Earth is Portage doing for so long?
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:15:56 +0100 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Well, you know, in worst case, portage doesn't work anymore. | In this case, you'd just have to revert your changes, and | everything's fine again. No, in the worst case Portage ends up with duff cache data, leading to utterly inappropriate packages being installed. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Another reason to begin USE with -*
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:20:31 -0500 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why in (diety's) name does the the average user need apache2? Or | emboss (European Molecular Biology Open Software Suite)? Uh, USE flags are not packages. You're misunderstanding how USE flags work. Adding apache2 and emboss to the default USE flags does not mean that users will get Apache or Emboss. Having these USE flags in the defaults is entirely sensible and correct, and provides expected behaviour for the majority of users. Anyone claiming otherwise simply doesn't understand what's going on. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:26:54 -0500 John J. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That's a very true statement, and part of the attraction of Gentoo. | But your comment about most users (at least of this distro) not | having the slightest clue what's best for them is totally off base, | (except, perhaps, where I'm concerned ;-)). Hah. Try doing bug wrangling for a week and you might change that opinion. Anyway, part of the point of using a distribution is that it spares you from having to know what's best for you. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:33:46 -0500 Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Your statement is probably true for all of the binary distribution | folks. But I doubt that you'll get many from this crowd that would | say that we want or expect the gentoo team to know what's best for | [us]. What, you think that everyone here knows exactly which version of gcc, with which patches and which corresponding binutils to use? You think that everyone here knows exactly which versions of db they do and do not need installed? You think that everyone here knows which kernel headers they should be using and in what way they should be patched? Most of our users don't have a clue about those questions. Heck, most of our devs don't either. Figuring all that stuff out correctly is a hell of a lot of work. One of the major reasons for using Gentoo over LFS is that someone else has done said work for you. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:34:28 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | ~arch means a package is a candidate for going into arch after | | further testing, if said testing does not turn up new bugs. This | | means that both the ebuild *and* the package should be likely | | to be stable. | | | | So, betas shouldn't ever be ~arch? Or is your definition of | | stable broad enough to include betas? | | Entirely dependent on the upstream. I've had Vim beta releases in | ~arch, for example, because I'm confident in upstream's ability to | do beta releases without screwing up. | | So, it's based on the collective opinion of the gentoo developers? | Wouldn't it be better to put that in the hands of the gentoo user? Absolutely not. If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:29:52 -0500 John J. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 04:11:08PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Absolutely not. If there's one thing we've established over the | years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the | slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. | | Excuse me my friend, but I switched to Gentoo because of this | attitude with every other distro I've moved away from !!! The distro people are right. The difference between Gentoo and most other distributions is that we make it easier for you to override our decisions, should you feel the need. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:57:43 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | ~arch means a package is a candidate for going into arch after | further testing, if said testing does not turn up new bugs. This | means that both the ebuild *and* the package should be likely to be | stable. | | So, betas shouldn't ever be ~arch? Or is your definition of stable | broad enough to include betas? Entirely dependent on the upstream. I've had Vim beta releases in ~arch, for example, because I'm confident in upstream's ability to do beta releases without screwing up. | -* means the package is in some way architecture or hardware | independent (e.g. a binary only package), and so will only run on | archs that are explicitly listed. | | So, I guess glibc-2.3.6-r3.ebuild is using -* incorrectly? Probably. | Any package setting KEYWORDS=-* and nothing else is abusing -*, | and will flag a warning on the QA checkers. | | You mean like gcc-4.1.0_pre20060219.ebuild? Yyyyup. The -* abuse is one of the many things on QA's list of stuff we want to get fixed. However, it's considered extremely low priority on existing packages. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What happens with masked packages?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:12:33 -0600 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | From what I understand this is incorrect. package.mask, -*, and the | ~ARCH (and occasionally, -ARCH) keywords are supposed to indicate | the /ebuild/'s stability, not the upstream stability. Not exactly. Top level package.mask means there's something wrong with the upstream package. Often this is because it's a beta release. It can also be used for major ebuild changes. Profile package.mask means a package that's usually OK on a particular architecture has to be masked on particular profiles. The canonical example is gcc on archs where 32/64 bit is handled via subprofiles. ~arch means a package is a candidate for going into arch after further testing, if said testing does not turn up new bugs. This means that both the ebuild *and* the package should be likely to be stable. No keyword means it's unknown whether a package will work on a particular arch, because no-one has tested it. -arch means a package will not work on a particular arch. -* means the package is in some way architecture or hardware independent (e.g. a binary only package), and so will only run on archs that are explicitly listed. Any package setting KEYWORDS=-* and nothing else is abusing -*, and will flag a warning on the QA checkers. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What does the use flag gtk for gcc?
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:24:39 +0100 Wolfgang Liebich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I did a query for packages using the gtk use flag. I found gcc | (3.4.4-r1) among these. Why? It's for the Java gtk frontend. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Thought : making the build/emerge faster
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:24:17 + Rohit Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But since I am a very average guy and there are many people much | smarter than myself out there in gentoo, I think this idea has been | discarded long ago since there are incompatibilities amongst various | software in the way they do, if they do, create their config.cache. confcache. It's, uh, kinda experimental right now. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuilds gone to the happy hunting-grounds
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:13 +0200 Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | while trying to fix some other problems involving revdep-rebuild, I | stumbled over some ebuilds no longer in portage but still installed | on my system. | | How can I get rid of that stuff? I mean emerge --unmerge | dead-package won't do it because the ebuild doesn't exist any more. It will unless you installed said package a very long time ago. Portage keeps a copy of the ebuild in the vdb when you install something. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] 4/8 CPU Gentoo server
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:52:01 -0800 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Just wondering if anyone here has any experience with gentoo on a 4/8 | CPU server. I say 4/8 because we're looking at Xeons that'll, at a | minimum, have HT but could possibly be dual-core. I run gentoo on a | P4 w/ HT and it runs great! But I have no idea how it will scale to | this many processors. I've done some preliminary googling, but | haven't come up with muchprobably using the wrong search terms. We use a 16 way for MIPS builds. For packages that parallelise it's brilliant. For small packages or those oh so icky packages that force -j1, things aren't so shiny... Still, there aren't any particular problems running Gentoo on SMP systems. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Are multiple emerges safe?
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:51:32 -1000 Beau E. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Can I safely emerge (different packages, non-interdependent) in | different terminal sessions at the same time? No. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Are multiple emerges safe?
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:33:01 -1000 Beau E. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sunday 29 January 2006 09:59 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:51:32 -1000 Beau E. Cox | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Can I safely emerge (different packages, non-interdependent) in | | different terminal sessions at the same time? | | No. | | Many have said Yes. Can you explain? Sure. Those people are optimists who just happen to have not hit any of the many ways in which parallel merges can still break. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Are multiple emerges safe?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:37 +0100 Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | the many ways in which parallel merges can still break. | | Please give us one example. You install a package that runs autotools and a package that provides an aclocal entry at the same time. You're unlucky, and an aclocal directory has its contents changed whilst autotools is running. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Using 'world' file to clone another machine
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:38:14 -0500 Michael A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Weird, huh? Not weird at all. emerge reads target names from the commandline, but not from stdin. Chris should know this... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:01:26 -0500 Walter Dnes
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| At work, where I have to use Windows (ptui) I can copy text
| from the GUI to the clipboard, {ALT-TAB} to a vim session, and paste
| the clipboard with * even if vim is running in a textmode console.
| Is there some similar channel for vim in linux?
+ and * , but only if you USE=vim-with-x.
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Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:14:01 +0100 Paweł Madej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | for me it is used to make vim modular X compatible. Wha? No no no. If that flag is off, vim won't go anywhere near X. If that flag is on, vim will link against either modular or non-modular X. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] big problem with emerge
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:13:08 +0100 Manuel Pérez López [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yesterday I did a portage sync, and now I can not emerge anything. | Help me to correct this issue. See this lines: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119352 -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild defaults?
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Is there a default, eg for LICENSE, in an ebuild if | the ebuild's author can't discover it? Not for LICENSE. If you can't find the LICENSE, you can't legally distribute or use the software so you can't make an ebuild for it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Filename modification with suffix
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:24:31 +0100 Marco Calviani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | duck1.jpg | duck2.jpg | duck3.jpg | | and i would like them to become: | | donald_duck1.jpg | donald_duck2.jpg | donald_duck3.jpg | | Does somebody knows a simple way to do this via shell? rename '' 'donald_' duck*.jpg -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] help
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:14:41 +0800 gentoo user mail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Cut the blue wire first, then the green wire within the next five seconds. Whatever you do, don't touch the red wire! -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 50-51% and emerge metadata timings
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:22:07 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | All the gentoo systems that I admin show the same slow down at about | 51%. I dearly wish we'd get away from a file based database. And | before everyone jumps on me about the various database backend | patches that I can apply to get what I cry for... I've tried them... | None of them put all the data into a real database... A shame | too Wrong solution. You do realise that the updating Portage cache thing is due to a Portage deficiency, and that the real cache is centrally generated, right? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage 50-51% and emerge metadata timings
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:16:39 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Wrong solution. You do realise that the updating Portage cache | thing is due to a Portage deficiency, | | Portage deficency? You mean the fact that python scans some | thousands of files in the file based database, writing as it goes? Nope. The fact that Portage uses that second level of cache at all. | and that the real cache is centrally generated, right? | | Yup, from thousands of files in the file based database... | | Portage is a wonderful tool for package management, but the sheer | size of the beast begs for movig it to C and a proper database. I | remember in the early days of my gentoo experience that portage | wasn't a bother. But as ebuilds are added to portage and my choice of | installed ebuilds grows... portage has become quite a slug | performance wise. I guess this is where the IT types step in and say | it scales poorly. The scalability issues have nothing to do with us using files. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VI
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:40:51 -0500 (EST) Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | fwiw, the termcap internals of vim and screen are just as ugly as | vi's - and they're much larger - and I don't see any complaints about | those programs on this list. Yes, but both of those can be told to use pure terminfo rather than termcap. | p.s: the vile ebuild that you mentioned a few weeks ago has an | obsolete homepage. It helps to keep in contact with the upstream | developers. Yeah, I sent you an email about that, and got a bounce message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]: 550 5.0.0 Unauthorized Sender Sep 05 9.5 is in the tree and should be correct, anyway. Still looking for someone to maintain it... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable versions vanished!?
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:36:44 +0100 Matthias Bethke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | After finishing my latest sync, portage moaned about problems with my | world file. emaint found out it was due to some package updates that | deleted the versions I have installed and left only unstable ones. | In particular, it was dev-tex/latex-beamer and its dependencies, pgf | and xcolor. Nice to see somebody has gotten around to updating the | ebuilds, but if there's a stable version, wouldn't it make sense to | leave at least one around so people can decide if they want to use | the unstable? net-im/skype has the same problem. It's asking for a | new dbus which I'll just try out---hope it doesn't break too many | things. I suppose they don't offer the old version for download any | more and the new one doesn't work with the stable dbus? Someone screwed up. Our x86 arch lead is going to hit them with a lead pipe. You shouldn't encounter forced downgrades in stable unless something really icky happens. You shouldn't encounter forced downgrades in ~arch unless someone commits a version that works for them and it later turns out that it's seriously broken (eg bash-3.1). -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VI
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:02:37 -0500 (EST) Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm certain we're talking about something different, since neither | vim nor screen uses any other interface in that area than termcap. | | I was just in screen yesterday, and am looking at vim right now, just | in case some feature has crept in. If it were in fact using terminfo | rather than termcap, it would call one of these functions: snip | All three of those programs use the same interface from ncurses - the | termcap one. Vim has --with-tlib=. If it's set to ncurses, everything works nicely. If it's set to termcap it ends up mangling the screen. | 9.5 is in the tree and should be correct, anyway. Still looking for | someone to maintain it... | | ok - I see this | | http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/app-editors/vile/vile-9.5.ebuild?rev=1.1view=markup | | The --with-ncurses is redundant (and --with-screen=ncurses is not as | well supported as the default - I made some fixes after 9.5 for the | former, so it should be comparable right now). | | You might also consider --with-loadable-filters (that makes a smaller | executable). Hrm, if I add --with-loadable-filters to the 9.5 ebuilds I get a compile error: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -I. -I.. -I../filters -I.. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I./filters -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.6/i686-linux/CORE -D_GNU_SOURCE -DVILE_STARTUP_PATH=\/usr/share/vile\ -Wall -rdynamic -O2 -march=pentium4 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -D__CIARANM_WAS_HERE__ -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe filters.c In file included from ./flt_defs.h:35, from ./filters.h:12, from filters.c:8: ../estruct.h:1971:21: nemode.h: No such file or directory Looks like it's parallel build related. With MAKEOPTS=-j1 it goes away, but with anything higher it fails consistently. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VI
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:33:04 -0500 (EST) Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:34:08 +0100 Harald Arnesen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | There is no ebuild, but you can download and compile vi. It is at | | http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net. | | No you can't. It's either broken or will become broken in the future | with our lack of termcap setup, hence why the ebuilds were | removed. | | ncurses provides a termcap interface, so these applications will | continue to work properly. We were getting segfaults with TERM=linux when using the ncurses termcap interface with ex-vi. IIRC, at the time no-one was sufficiently interested to try to track it down properly. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VI
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:34:08 +0100 Harald Arnesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | There is no ebuild, but you can download and compile vi. It is at | http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net. No you can't. It's either broken or will become broken in the future with our lack of termcap setup, hence why the ebuilds were removed. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VI
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:10:03 -0500 Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You can set Vim up to act as if it were Vi : look at its dox. Bad idea. You lose multiple undo levels and the ability to edit more than two files at once... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] i'm new of list
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:04:42 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:05:09 -0600, Dale wrote: | Then add in that most block emails that have HTML in it so they | will not see what you post anyway. I'm not sure why they block HTML | but I was told they do. | | Because it is insecure on some mail readers and unreadable on others. Or, because any HTML email is either spam or written by a moron. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo 100K#of users vs. others
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:52:56 -0700 Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | According to recent Gentoo news we crossed 100K registered users. | Does anybody have any reliable numbers how we compare to other | distros? Uh. That'd be forums accounts. Not users. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Still not getting how to influence compile flags with emerge
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:25:07 - Michael Kintzios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Which USE flag will make that +xterm_clipboard | | This is a dependency flag which I guess can be flipped by first | emerging x11-apps/xclipboard. Er. No. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Still not getting how to influence compile flags with emerge
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:30:35 -0600 Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does it mean that the flags displayed are the only ones I can adjust? USE flags are not the same as Vim's internal feature flags. Adding a USE flag for every single Vim feature flag would be silly. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Still not getting how to influence compile flags with emerge
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:55:47 + Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:25:07 - Michael Kintzios | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Which USE flag will make that +xterm_clipboard | | | | This is a dependency flag which I guess can be flipped by first | | emerging x11-apps/xclipboard. | | Er. No. | | Go on, tell us more. Package source build options must never be controlled by stuff that is installed. Basic policy issue. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Why is Gentoo so slow when internet is out?
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:54:29 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Our cable internet service goes out frequently (and probably even more | frequently now that winter has come to OKlahoma.) When it goes out, | pretty much everything on my Gentoo system slows down. It's gotten to | where just to get an application (like gnumeric) to open I have to su | - to root and shut down /etc/init.d/net.eth0 until the Internet comes | back on. This morning the internet was out and I'd shut down | net.eth0 and then tried to run monodevelop and it refused to start | giving me some message about my PC's hostname not being set correctly | in /etc/hosts. I checked it and /etc/hosts was correct. Must just | be a glitch with monodevelop. My question is what is it about Gentoo | that relies so heavily on connecting to the internet? My network was | running just fine | - just the connection between the cable modem and the internet was | down, but everything inside my router should have been fine... Hrm. It's nothing in the base system. I sometimes run my laptop without network, and I don't have issues. Chances are some app you're running is trying to do lots of DNS queries... Does 'top' tell you anything useful? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (The one that looks before leaping) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How does Portage prioritze emerges in emerge world?
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:06:02 +0100 Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Am I doing things wrong, or is this a valid enhancement request for | b.g.o? Unlikely to happen... Dependency resolution doesn't work that way. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (The one that looks before leaping) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: changing CHOST in stage3
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:48:34 -0500 Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | It surprises me that release engineering starts with a stage1 to get a | stage3 and then we use this stage3 to build a stage1. I mention this | only out of curiosity; there is a stage3 with my desired CHOST and I | expect to do all future installs starting with stage3 (I formerly used | stage1). Well... You need a reasonably complete system to build a toolchain, hence the stage 3 seed. Building a toolchain with a different CHOST is pretty close to cross-compiling, so the only way you can do it safely is to start from scratch, hence building up from a stage 1. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Supreme Lord Gerbil Wrangler) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: masked package woes
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:32:58 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 2. You installed an ebuild manually in either the portage tree or | portage overlay. | | Nope. | | Are there any copyright or CVS comments at the top of | /usr/portage/net-analyzer/jffnms/jffnms-0.8.2.ebuild? | | dunno, the dir does not exist, yet an emerge sync | shows the package. The system was last sync'd on monday | the 21st of Nov. | | How do I retreive the old ebuilds, so I can keep working on the | ebuild or use it as a basis to finish the ebuild package for | jffnms? Doesn't look like it was ever in the tree... [EMAIL PROTECTED] net-analyzer 0 0.45 $ cvs log jffnms cvs log: nothing known about jffnms -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Supreme Lord Gerbil Wrangler) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: changing CHOST in stage3
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:34:27 -0500 Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | At Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:17:27 + Ciaran McCreesh | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The only way you can safely change CHOST is by making new stages | through catalyst. There're various scripts which *sometimes* fix | your system after a CHOST change, but they're not reliable... | | Does this mean that, if one needs a CHOST value not represented in any | of the current stage3 tar files, your recommendation would be to begin | with a stage1? Nope. You need a stage3 to build a stage1 with a new CHOST. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: changing CHOST in stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] default stage3)
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:08:40 -0500 Matthew Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 11/21/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You can change | everything after a stage 3 install, although you have to be careful | when changing CHOST. | | I've just completed a stage3 install, and I'd like to change the CHOST | from i386-pc-linux-gnu to i586-pc-linux-gnu. I planned to do | something like this: snip | Are there any additional precautions/steps that I should take? The only way you can safely change CHOST is by making new stages through catalyst. There're various scripts which *sometimes* fix your system after a CHOST change, but they're not reliable... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x081fb2c1 ***
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:02:55 -0500 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Okay. My difference is that I see this with apps that I didn't write, | which others don't have issues with. But I haven't seen it in a while, | seems to come and go. Doesn't make much sense, and I have checked my | hardware repeatedly. Well... Here's the thing... If you're using an app which triggers that message, then the app is broken. However, were detection not turned on, the app would instead behave randomly in such a way that it might carry on working. So whilst you could turn off the detection, it's probably not a good idea because you'd end up with random, hard to trace memory corruption... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x081fb2c1 *** [SOLVED]
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:16:19 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Actually, I solved the error for my situation last night - I just | forgot to write it in as SOLVED. I had created a temporary pointer, | then assigned the temporary pointer to a variable I was planning to | return from a method, then deleted the temporary pointer. I'm not | used to using pointers. I've always heard that you should always | delete your pointers when you're done with them and for some reason I | thought the delete keyword deleted the pointer instead of the memory | it was pointing at... Consider using boost::shared_ptr instead. You don't have to worry about delete or exception-checking then. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x081fb2c1 ***
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:37:33 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Being fairly inexperienced with C++ I have no idea what this means. | Is this a problem with my program or with my system. Is there a way | to fix it? Can anyone at least explain to me what it means? You screwed up some dynamic memory allocation somewhere. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:44:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I use Gentoo to run all my boxen and I love it. That being said, I | have ALWAYS done a stage1 install. Never had a single problem I | couldn't fix. Then, suddenly, they switched everything to stage3 and | removed a LOT of options from the Gentoo build process. Pff, no we didn't. You can still do a stage1 if you really want to, but it's no longer necessary. See, stage1s exist because when stages were built with stager, using a stage1 was the only way to get a complete correct vdb. These days we use catalyst, not stager, and even stage3s come with a correct vdb. There's no longer a need for a stage1. If you still want all the choice, which is entirely reasonable for some people, then install from a stage3, customise whatever you want and then do emerge -e world twice. You'll get the same end result, and not have all the problems with circular dependencies. [ Note: looks like I'm missing half this thread because certain jackasses are posting HTML messages to the list. You'd think people would've learned by now... ] -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Look! Shiny things!) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] what made portage go fast again?
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:07:06 +0100 Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Today the updating of the portage cache was real quick -- something | like a minute, instead of the ten minutes it used to take during | the past month or so. What has changed? A really really dumb bit of code in Portage itself was changed. See the gentoo-portage-dev list archives if you want technical details. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpHWB90ogx0k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] what made portage go fast again?
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:57:59 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | A really really dumb bit of code in Portage itself was changed. See | the gentoo-portage-dev list archives if you want technical details. | | Is that the same reason it was sticking at 50% or so? Yup. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpMIQQYevV34.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Optimal time to 'emerge world'?
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:07:30 -0800 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Just wondering if there was an optimal time to update one's system. | Meaning, is there a global/bulk cvs commit done once a day, that we | should wait for? Especially concerned about security patches - can we | *safely* assume that if the GLSA is out, that the updated versions are | available? Under normal circumstances, CVS to rsync runs every half hour, with up to an hour and a half(?)'s lag depending upon which rsync mirror you use. As for commits, most of us are European or American, so there're a few hours in the day (~UTC0500) when things are really quiet, but apart from that there's no real timing. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpqTOd6ix3iT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get debug information if system crashs randomly?
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:48:08 +0800 Qiangning Hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | My CPU temperatur (reported | by /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature, I have no luck with | lmsensor setup) says 57C when idle, and can boost up to around 68C | when emerging big packages. Is it normal? There should be a cutoff or trip_points file in there too... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpuo8TLQHUDP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] (masked by: missing keyword)
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:17:07 -0400 sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Specifically I am trying to install openoffice 2.0 on my amd64 | system. I have unmasked it, but the keyword is still blocking me. Unmasking it won't do you any good. It won't work. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp1j8km3nOhU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Um...Who can fix this? -- SOLVED
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:31:08 -0700 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | My guess is that it didn't even get to the digest checks when it gave | me the error/warning. emerge --sync seems to have fixed the problem. | I probably should have tried that before posting. ;-) What probably happened is that the cvs pull happened mid-commit, after some files had been committed but before the manifest recommit. It's a pretty narrow time slot but it can happen occasionally. Usually an emerge sync will fix it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp0f2VIijshH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Um...Who can fix this?
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:54:14 +1300 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I agree it is necessary when doing something in your overlay. It seems | most people who post to bugs.gentoo.org do not post a digest file. | Perhaps they should. Oh please no. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpZSpFbVsVut.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Um...Who can fix this?
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:16:50 +1300 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:02:14 +0100 | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | | On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:54:14 +1300 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | I agree it is necessary when doing something in your overlay. It | | seems most people who post to bugs.gentoo.org do not post a | | digest file. Perhaps they should. | | Oh please no. | | Oh please explain? It's another two worthless emails per bug change. We can't use user-submitted digests anyway. emerge --digest is far simpler. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp9chxtCdrhu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng can't be removed by rc-update
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:45 -0400 Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Okay, I'll bite, why shouldn't it? If the package is unmerged, why | would this file be kept on the system? CONFIG_PROTECT. If you think that the default behaviour is silly, try something like this in your make.conf: CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/init.d /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp75ZiisVUdF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng can't be removed by rc-update
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:25:48 -0400 Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | No, I don't think it is silly Oh, I do for /etc/init.d | but based on a discussion on gentoo-dev recently I was under the | impression it was not enabled by default That was collision protection. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpcNKHiGQTVQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting distribution name and release version
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:41:32 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We are writing remote systems management software for Linux systems | and are looking for a standard way to obtain a remote systems | distribution name and release version. The lsb_release -ir commands | seems to provide what we are looking for and works under a number of | popular distributions. I've tested the command using Gentoo 2005.0 | text install and the command was not found. Does Gentoo support | lsb_release -ir command? If not how can I contact the developers to | request this? Not going to happen. We're not going to dignify LSB by adding that kind of nonsense... You can get the current release using: cat $(portageq portdir)/metadata/timestamp assuming the user isn't running off CVS rather than rsync. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpdiPuGUfxcl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting distribution name and release version
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:25:07 -0400 Scott Stoddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | An easy, distro-independent, method for determining what distro, | version, release, toolchain versioning, and/or portage timestamp can | only help maintainers of heterogenous networks to do their jobs with | less frustration. Sure. Put together a proposal that doesn't involve LSB, persuade the other big name distros that it's a good idea and maybe we'll consider it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpc4BwdE4aC0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to use EXTRA_ECONF?
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:44:54 -0300 Matias Grana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This is why I neglected to see that clipboard and vim-with-x were | related. But what I find confusing now is why I have this difference. | How does one update the use.local.desc file? It seems not to belong | to any package emerge sync -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpCCsCfdO7bQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to use EXTRA_ECONF?
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:09 -0400 Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I mustbe getting old or something. I swear when I looked at it | before it matched the other guys and not yours. Now mine matches | yours. I need to start drinking ;-) Wheee, another person successfully confused by sneakily changing stuff in response to mailing list questions and not bothering to announce the fact. You're all crazy, anyway. There's no ing in the description. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpkcsSOBq824.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting distribution name and release version
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:32:03 -0400 Phill MV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | :\ that sucks. | That just leaves me with one question: is it really legally binding? | Is it actually forseeable that someone might give me a hard time for | say posting such an email verbatim on a website? Well... UK financial companies can get in trouble if they don't include such a disclaimer, since they're required to mention the independent financial advice nonsense on every communication... It's more likely that there's some silly law out there that means you're in trouble if you don't do it than that anyone actually thinks it'll protect them. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpzlayTT7rFP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to use EXTRA_ECONF?
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:19:55 -0300 Matias Grana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm trying to compile vim with +clipboard support. One can do this | by passing --enable-clipboard to configure. There's no USE flag for | this feature. Incorrect. USE=vim-with-x. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpUoxNmCNBUk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:52:00 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | But, you're quite right, I also can't see why something | as arcane as emboss is in hte default set of USE flags. Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the most sensible behaviour is to enable it by default. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpHRi4F6qGtA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:54:58 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh schrieb: | So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss | support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're | installing science apps, you'll probably want it, and if you're not | installing science apps you'll never see it anyway. | | No, that doesn't make sense. A simple question: Why is 3dfx | not in the default set of USE flags? If you install a graphics | software, like xorg, 3dfx users probably want it. And if you're | not a 3dfx user, it won't do harm. Bloat. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpLLWacR6Qzy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:29:12 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Dead easy. For applications which have optional emboss support, the | most sensible behaviour is to enable it by default. | | Why is 3dfx not enabled by default for xorg? Because most people who use applications which have a 3dfx USE flag do not require 3dfx support. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpdkOD0bJNWL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:31:45 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yep. Same as enabling the optional emboss support. If | you're arguing, that some settings lead to bloated | systems, then /NO/ USE flag at all should be enabled. If | you're arguing, that most sensible behaviour is to enable | it by default, then /EVERY/ USE flag should be enabled | by default. Not at all. It's a question of numbers. Of all of the people who use applications which have emboss in IUSE, most will want it enabled. Of all of the people who use applications which have, say, 3dfx enabled, most will not want it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpwjVMowamHH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:28:22 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why is ipv6 in make.defaults? Most people don't (yet) use | ipv6 and compiling in ipv6 support may make some applications | be overly bloat. It's part of a vast Gentoo conspiracy to covertly switch everyone over to ipv6 and kidnap all the world's goats. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpwfMMurADEq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:03:44 +0100 (WEST) Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | So, for things with optional emboss support, by default the emboss | support will be enabled. Which makes sense, because if you're | installing science apps, you'll probably want it, and if you're not | | I probably won't, unless I'm a biologist, and a molecular one. If you're not a molecular biologist you probably won't be installing packages which have optional support for a molecular biology library... | OTH, I'll probably want tetex, which is not in the default list. *shrug* then add it. Enabling tetex by default wouldn't be a good idea, it's one of the biggest downloads in the tree. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpFbwux1PvEh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Collecting USE variables
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:15:17 -0700 Manuel McLure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | One question for those with more USE flag-fu than I have - does the | default set of USE flags depend on the packages that have been | installed into world? It seems to me that at some point I have | installed a package (for example postgresql) and suddenly found that | the next emerge --newuse world spits out a list of packages it will | rebuild with a new flag. Currently, yes. In future portage releases, no. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpCS3orltMFW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] os-headers differ from kernel version
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:54:19 -0700 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This is just a difference that I noticed while running the 'emerge | - --info' command. My kernel is 2.6.12-gentoo-r9, but emerge --info | reports the os-headers as 2.6.11-r2. I was able to trace the | os-headers info back to the sys-kernel/linux-headers package, which it | seems the most recent is 2.6.11-r2. Why the difference? Does it | matter? Your os-headers should be of the same or an earlier version than your kernel. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpzg3t1QO5QB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel on sparc won't unmount initrd
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:13:38 -0600 Hani Duwaik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I've installed gentoo on an old Ultra 10. I installed the standard | 'sparc-sources' kernel (2.4.31) and tried to manually configure it, | but the kernel kept crashing on boot. So I installed genkernel and | copied the config file from the livecd. Genkernel on sparc is only supported for the purposes of livecd creation. Don't use it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpJevyyswzba.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Ideas for a mini-FAQ/HOWTO
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:25:40 -0400 Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | It may be simpler to look at | http://www.freehackers.org/gentoo/gccflags/flag_gcc3.html for the Except that it's oh so very wrong... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpLy5EY21a2D.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] other packages
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:03:26 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Always search bugs.gentoo.org for any ebuilds not in portage. If that | fails, try the forums. Hrm, and be warned that the approximate QA ranking order is, from least broken to most: * Stuff in maintainer-wanted on bugzilla with a REVIEWED tag. * Stuff in the tree. * Stuff off developer overlays. * Stuff in maintainer-wanted with no REVIEWED tag. * Stuff off random russian websites. * Stuff off the forums. Expect to have to fix stuff. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpQy73y8UhJw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] many packages are available in gentoo?
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:17:56 +0800 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Is there a link that states how many packages are available in gentoo? | Stable, ~x86 etc? Note that such a number wouldn't be useful for comparing with, say, other distributions or ports, because a) we can SLOT things, so we don't need separate foo-1, foo-2 and foo-3 packages, and b) we don't need to do a zillion foo, foo-python, foo-perl etc packages because of USE flags. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpHMFCUKqv3r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
A. Top posting! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm | using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the | top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Q. What is the most annoying thing you can do on mailing lists? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgplG4zUpcn8w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] where to put mknod?
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:45:52 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:41:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | /dev is a managed filesystem. You shouldn't be tinkering with it | manually. | | You shouldn't need to tinker with it manually, but sometimes you need | to as not everything is supported yet. Until recently, the only way | to get IEEE1394 working was to mknod the devices in local.start. No, the correct thing to do is to add sysfs support to the devices in question. It's probably the easiest form of kernel hacking there is. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp2vxPA4a0UX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] where to put mknod?
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:39:05 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Another post-emerge -u world wrinkle: before I can | /usr/sbin/pon must now | | mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0. | | Where does one put this command? I didn't see any | likely candidates in /etc/conf.d, /etc/init.d. Don't do that. Instead, fix your udev rules. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp6nKvS4T4wM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] where to put mknod?
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:27:25 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Where does one put this command? I didn't see any | | likely candidates in /etc/conf.d, /etc/init.d. | | Don't do that. Instead, fix your udev rules. | | I did(put it in local.start) and it works fine! Please | esplain. /dev is a managed filesystem. You shouldn't be tinkering with it manually. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpSvLkuR6EjI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: C++ code on Gentoo
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:18:25 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Bryce Verdier btv at cs.pdx.edu writes: | Does the code compile and work on any other machine (that doesn't | have nvwa compiled?)? | | It compiles and runs but it does not display video to the local | gentoo linux system. The author claims it works on SUSE. It works by coincidence only. He's got some invalid memory allocation or deallocation code. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpMNDwazOyIQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] unsuscribe
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:46:39 -0400 Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why dont we just change it so that unsubscribe in the subject line | unsubscribes you (like every other mailing list on the internet)? We did that already. Read the subject line more carefully. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpHQ7cFLq6hQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: bash details
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:25:40 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I cannot seem to find detailed document/manual on using bash robustly | in a programming environment. Maybe I need to purchase a good book? Mostly you need to familiarise yourself with 'man bash'. There's the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide, but it's neither advanced nor particularly good. The devmanual [1] has a fair bit of related information, but it mostly focuses upon the ebuild environment. [1]: http://dev.gentoo.org/~plasmaroo/devmanual/ -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpe7l5xjF2hM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: bash details
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:01:09 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Frank Schafer frank.schafer at t-systems.cz writes: | | Gooogle Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide | www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ | | Well this is an excellent resource, BUT it seems | devoid of any examples where a custom device driver, | say for the serial port on a linux system, | inserted as a module or is part of the kernel, | and the associate software that allows users | to access some of the hardware(features) and not | other hardware/firmware/kernel features(code), unless | they are root, or have a special (encrypted)key | or another form of chicanery (biometric generated | key). Yup. It also lacks an example showing how you can make a mysql-driven ecommerce website which sells books to preschool children who have credit cards. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpG0rtqU9CEj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to access mounted dir with non-root?
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:45:44 +0200 Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If umask masks bits off of the 'default' permissions, then what is the | point of umask=000? It seems that it would leave the permissions as | the default, which appear to be 755 (is there a creation mask of 022 | somewhere in the 'default' settings? I can't find it, if so), unless | you've explicitly set them to soemthing else. umask 'masks' the bits. So umask=000 means use whatever the application uses when creating things without knocking off any bits. Most system calls that create files or directories also take a parameter for mode, which is where the 755 comes from. For example, for mkdir(2): int mkdir(const char *pathname, mode_t mode); (...) The parameter mode specifies the permissions to use. It is modified by the process's umask in the usual way: the permissions of the created directory are (mode ~umask 0777). Other mode bits of the created directory depend on the operating system. For Linux, see below. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpqCG9yrUKiV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:01:07 +0200 Mark Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Are there any legalities behind creating your own set of installation | CDs or DVDs - which contain specific packages available through the | Gentoo repository and exclude other default ones - for distribution to | clients? 1. Various core Gentoo things which you might be modifying are covered by the GPL. 2. Various packages have licences which prohibit either redistributing the source, or redistributing the package in binary form, or redistributing a modified package in binary form. 3. Some packages have weird trademark restrictions to do with shipping modified binaries. Anything Mozillaish comes to mind... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgplOhDsLfpMg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re-Distro
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:36:07 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:38:03 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | 2. Various packages have licences which prohibit either | redistributing the source, or redistributing the package in binary | form, or redistributing a modified package in binary form. | | Some even have mixed licences within the same package, win32codecs | comes to mind, so grepping the ebuilds for LICENCE isn't enough. If that's the case, you may have found a bug. LICENSE supports syntax which allows specifying multiple 'and' or 'either-or' licences. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpQLAQJe3U7H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Does openoffice really require pam?
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:32:26 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I don't really want to install pam just because of OOo. Does OOo | *REALLY* require pam? No, but tcsh does, and openoffice's build system requires tcsh. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpNr0RmVpssu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Badges
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:53:38 -0400 Craig Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | DO you really think Gentoo should be the first Distro people new to | Linux should turn to? | | | In one word... YES!. If you're going to learn your way around Linux | well, why not start with something that doesn't teach you rely on GUIs | and crap like that. If you're going to learn Linux, why not start with a distribution which caters for newbies when making design decisions, rather than one which assumes that its users know what they're doing? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpw2SB3Xo5Md.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Reiser4, encryption
On Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:05 -0400 Colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | When will Reiser4 be added to the Gentoo kernel? I can emerge | reiser4progs, but I can't mount the volumes nor use them in | /etc/fstab. ricer4 isn't supported on Gentoo systems and will likely not be supported for a very long time. When it actually works we might start to think about it, but that'll be several years off. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpud99q3L8X9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Insulting People or Projects On The List [Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Reiser4, encryption]
On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:26:31 -0400 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Could we consider not insulting people or projects which people work | very hard on? Does that extend to Windows ME, or only to projects which have a fan-base? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpLmqOs1atLl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage v. yum with regards to java
On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:43:49 -0500 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Besides the /opt vs. /usr problem, I don't like how I have to | delete /mnt/floppy and /mnt/cdrom everytime baselayout (?) is updated, | since the correct place (and the one I use) for these mount points | is /media/floppy and /media/cdrom. /media considered silly. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpFUTJiDwAz1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Programs not in /var/lib/portage/world
On Thu, 26 May 2005 09:44:07 -0400 Kent Borg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | There are various packages on my system that are not listed in | /var/lib/portage/world, most recently I notice Firefox is one. Any | ideas why that might be? (And what other packages is my | /var/lib/portage/world missing?) Packages are only added to world if they are merged by a command in the form emerge whatever. They will **not** be added if you used emerge =whatever-1.23 (or any ranged dep), emerge /path/to/whatever, emerge --oneshot whatever or ebuild whatever install. Packages will also not be added if they were merely pulled in as a dependency of some other package. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgptUPTHWvHr1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CFLAGS CPU optimization question.
On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:54:54 +0200 Julien Cayzac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not to mention that no devs (and few users) will help with anything | if you use more CFLAGS. | | I wouldn't expect any support with the flag mentionned above switched | on. However, I would at least expect a upstream resolution status on | any bug submitted by a guy with -finline-functions or -funit-at-a-time | or ... No, you'll get an INVALID resolution. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp7xUr9c90co.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] VIA C3 Processor
On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:58:53 +0200 Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Should be fine. Just remember that it is *not* an i686, despite what | the marketing docs claim. | | what does this means for the cflags ? CHOST of i586- and CFLAGS of -march=c3. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpRaRhQDJdPs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage v. yum with regards to java
On Mon, 23 May 2005 12:12:02 +0100 THUFIR HAWAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | heh, that's ironic. | Why? | | Sun doesn't follow the LFS The what? | then, it turns out that gentoo, in turn, violates the LFS. The what? If you mean LSB or FHS, we don't consider them to be relevant standards, so we ignore them. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp3X13Aklymr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo, LWS and Slackware for linux learner?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 21:18:02 +0300 Ivan Lucian Aron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | well portage compiles/makes/makes installs for you and keeps a | database. but considering that compiling by hand isn't such a big | deal, think of emerge/portage like just a tool that does | ./configure;make;make install for you. Meh, that's pretty wrong. You can think of ebuild.sh as something that basically just automates the build of a single package if you like. However, emerge is a whole different kettle of fish. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpXdx1ctxPs0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about supported hardware for Gentoo.
On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:15:55 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does Gentoo do anything with the extra 64 bits? 64 bit code is actually slower than 32 bit code for anything except certain dedicated applications. What you do gain is increased address space, which only makes a difference if you're going over (for x86/amd64) about 900MBytes of RAM. However... amd64 is not just x86 extended to 64 bit. By using 64 bit mode you're gaining a whole load of other extras, such as a heap of extra general purpose registers, which makes up for the 64 bit code penalty. In an ideal world, your amd64 box would run a pure 64 bit kernel and a 64 bit int / 32 bit pointer userland, and still have access to the extra registers. Unfortunately, amd64 can't do this (unlike, say, MIPS). Note that people who have only read the marketing material and who don't realise what various non-x86 archs get up to will tell you that what I just said was wrong and that 64 bit is just plain faster. It's not, and things are not as simple as the marketroids would like you to believe, but because of limitations in amd64 you're still better going for 64 bit userland and kernel. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp6UGgQbiAZQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about supported hardware for Gentoo.
On Fri, 20 May 2005 11:28:46 -0400 (EDT) A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 20 May 2005, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Note that people who have only read the marketing material and who | don't realise what various non-x86 archs get up | | I know you're very into alternate archs especially MIPS and SPARC | (which is great BTW). So is it true that Niagara SPARCs will have | EIGHT cores??? Oh, maybe at some time in the distant future if Sun don't get bought out before they get around to it. Remember that the v9 instruction set is a hell of a lot smaller, cleaner and easier to work with than x86, so it's not necessarily as big a deal as one might think. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpziqfQJi7Dy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean
On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:39:00 +0200 Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Admittedly, some kind of package content search function somewhere | would be nice, but I am not sure it's possible (or somebody would | probably have done it already). It's possible to get pretty good results. It's just not very easy. cat /var/db/pkg/*/*/CONTENTS | wc for a rough idea of why. You can knock it down a hell of a lot using a trie and then compressing, but it's still a fair bit of data. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpxyC0lxzOEH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] depclean
On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:27:00 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Cleaning up a system, I ran emerge -pv depclean. | The list looked fine, so I preceeded. | | The only problem I seem to have is 'updatedb' has disapeared. | Any ideas how to get it back? eupdatedb still works fine, | although I'm not sure they are equivalent? eupdatedb is something else. You want to reinstall slocate to get updatedb back -- it used to be part of system, but we removed it because it's not a critical tool. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpCnyOEPJwUY.pgp Description: PGP signature
