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on 2010-07-06 at 13:14 Alan McKinnon wrote: The football competition where england, france and italy all got their asses handed to them recently :-) not to mention argentina and brazil... did you notice the tiny uy in my e-mail address? :-) :-) (it's a real pity i don't give a sh*t about football, i could be enjoying this immensely)
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On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote: I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :( What world cup? -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
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On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:38:48 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote: I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :( What world cup? The football competition where england, france and italy all got their asses handed to them recently :-) I hear through the grapevine that the master escape-artist David Blaine is distraught - his world record for sitting in a box for 20 days doing nothing has just been broken. Wayne Rooney now hold that record. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On 6 July 2010 12:14, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:38:48 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 04 July 2010 10:02:37 Neil Bothwick wrote: I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :( What world cup? The football competition where england, france and italy all got their asses handed to them recently :-) I hear through the grapevine that the master escape-artist David Blaine is distraught - his world record for sitting in a box for 20 days doing nothing has just been broken. Wayne Rooney now hold that record. As well as Brazil however the football world cup has not yet finished. Chris.
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On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:34:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. That's the likely explanation. I occasionally get direct replies from you, and they always appear in the list too. The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance A day? I thought it was per hour! That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! I thought the World Cup finished last weekend :( -- Neil Bothwick Do I BELIEVE in the Bible?! HELL man, I've SEEN one!!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:42:36 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: never had any problems like that with kmail. Problems with stupid fingers - yeah, a lot. But it's easier to blame the software! -- Neil Bothwick Unsolicited advice is the junk mail of life signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 2010-07-03 6:55 AM, Mick wrote: Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the Reply-To, but no longer. Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. It apparently only happens when someone hits 'Reply All' instead of Reply_to_List - and then if you have your list preference (at least in mailman) set to not receive duplicates, you will only get the personal reply... Irritating, I know... but it is pointless to complain about it, I just deal with whatever I get silently and worry about more important things, like who we should be hanging for this BP Oil disaster...
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On Friday 02 July 2010 15:00:10 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy -10 this is plain wrong... Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function. Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent cross-platform mail client available that implements this functionality... as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? +1, but not for the same reasons... Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the Reply-To, but no longer. Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Saturday 03 July 2010 11:55:02 Mick wrote: On Friday 02 July 2010 15:00:10 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy -10 this is plain wrong... Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function. Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent cross-platform mail client available that implements this functionality... as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? +1, but not for the same reasons... Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the Reply-To, but no longer. Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. OK, just got this baby from Alan: == From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3- 3.6.4 update. Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com References: i0gk73$kj...@dough.gmane.org 20100702095121.76fe5...@core2duo.fabnetwork 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: 201007031337.53868.alan.mckin...@gmail.com Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: == and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is usually the case: == List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org == So, when I enter l the response is set directly to Alan, instead of Gentoo Users M/L. Alan, any idea why this is so? Do you intentionally copy me in your responses to the list? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote: Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. OK, just got this baby from Alan: == From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3- 3.6.4 update. Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com References: i0gk73$kj...@dough.gmane.org 20100702095121.76fe5...@core2duo.fabnetwork 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: 201007031337.53868.alan.mckin...@gmail.com Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: == and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is usually the case: == List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org == So, when I enter l the response is set directly to Alan, instead of Gentoo Users M/L. Alan, any idea why this is so? Do you intentionally copy me in your responses to the list? Two things happened here on my end: My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox. I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I reply to all. When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:09:37 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote: Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. OK, just got this baby from Alan: == From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3- 3.6.4 update. Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com References: i0gk73$kj...@dough.gmane.org 20100702095121.76fe5...@core2duo.fabnetwork 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: 201007031337.53868.alan.mckin...@gmail.com Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: == and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is usually the case: == List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org == So, when I enter l the response is set directly to Alan, instead of Gentoo Users M/L. Alan, any idea why this is so? Do you intentionally copy me in your responses to the list? Two things happened here on my end: My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox. I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I reply to all. When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. This explains it! No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that has been doing this lately. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Saturday 03 July 2010 19:44:27 Mick wrote: Two things happened here on my end: My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox. I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I reply to all. When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. This explains it! No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that has been doing this lately. :-) The computer gods allow me two cock-ups a day. I'm already way over limit and using up half of next week's quota in advance That's what happens when you try to work, answer list mail and watch the World Cup in your back yard all at the same time! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Samstag 03 Juli 2010, Mick wrote: On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:09:37 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 03 July 2010 18:37:36 Mick wrote: Sometimes I receive a personal email response to a message that I have posted to the list. This seems to happen because the person that kindly responded has for some reason cc'd me in the reply. If I try to reply to it the post will not go to the list, but the person that emailed me. Pressing 'l' in kmail just brings up an empty to field. This seems to happen only with some replies. Will keep an eye out for it to see if it is consistent. OK, just got this baby from Alan: == From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3- 3.6.4 update. Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:37:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-ck-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com References: i0gk73$kj...@dough.gmane.org 20100702095121.76fe5...@core2duo.fabnetwork 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com In-Reply-To: 201007031230.55562.michaelkintz...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: 201007031337.53868.alan.mckin...@gmail.com Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: == and amidst the headers there's no usual mailing list IDs et al, as is usually the case: == List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org == So, when I enter l the response is set directly to Alan, instead of Gentoo Users M/L. Alan, any idea why this is so? Do you intentionally copy me in your responses to the list? Two things happened here on my end: My kmail filters didn't kick in (kmail does that to me sometimes) so the mail I replied to was in my inbox, not the gentoo-user folder where it should have been. The list folder is the one that knows it contains a list not the inbox. I was also dealing with a bunch of work mail as the same time and with those I reply to all. When I replied, I hit A without thinking and only saw it after I pressed Ctrl-Enter to send. So my bad, my screw-up. This explains it! No worries, I was thinking that something went wrong somewhere along the chain but couldn't figure out if it was my Kmail that has been doing this lately. never had any problems like that with kmail. Problems with stupid fingers - yeah, a lot.
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Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net : It is usually better and prefer the answer to all If the replier-to-all thinks of removing unwanted recipients, yes. But most of the time, people reply-to-really-all and that annoys. Among that, when replying-to-all, messages To: the mailing list are List-id/X-Mailing-List set, but the others are not. As far as the clever filter way is to filter on List-id/X-Mailing-List (not on the Subject: for mailing lists), I'd rather Reply-To on the list. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 34 56 000 19
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On Friday 02 July 2010 02:54:33 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Hi all, I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? We have been over this and over this and over this endless times over the past 5 years. For every stated reason why reply-to munging is considered harmful there is an equal and opposite reason why it isn't. And every time we discuss this we just leave the system as is. You should learn to deal with it. There is no correct answer. There is only an awareness of how the list you are using works. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting conversations into private mail defeats that point. -- Neil Bothwick Engineers do it with less resistance. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 02 July 2010 10:14:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting conversations into private mail defeats that point. Very true. I'm not sending this very reply to Neil. I'm sending it to the entire group of people on the list. That is the entire intent of a mailing list and the Reply-To policy reflects that. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 02:54:33AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: Hi all, I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? Way to go! Reviving a five-year-old discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-u...@gentoo.org/msg45780.html Which at that time, was already an old discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-u...@gentoo.org/msg45855.html So let's just not much about with it, eh? Cheers, W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
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On 2010-07-01 8:54 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy -10 this is plain wrong... Use a mail client that has 'Reply-To-List' function. Thunderbird's works very well no, so there is an excellent cross-platform mail client available that implements this functionality... as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? +1, but not for the same reasons... Before TB implemented Reply-To-List, I preferred lists that munged the Reply-To, but no longer.
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On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 02:54:33 +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting conversations into private mail defeats that point. Precisely, except that I'm not as annoyed as some of you seem to be. Part of the way a mailing list works is that there is always discontent about the way the mailing list works. This hasn't changed much, if at all, since I started using mailing lists around 1985. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: If I post to the list, I expect a reply via the list. Getting two replies is annoying, especially if I don't realise the private one is a duplicate and reply to it before checking the list. One of the main points of a list is that it is a public discussion, archived for all to see, fragmenting conversations into private mail defeats that point. Precisely, except that I'm not as annoyed as some of you seem to be. Part of the way a mailing list works is that there is always discontent about the way the mailing list works. This hasn't changed much, if at all, since I started using mailing lists around 1985. Things especially fun when it is both a mailing list and a newsgroup.
[gentoo-user] Mailing list policy on reply
Hi all, I'm often stucked by the current policy in this mailing list changing the 'Reply-To' header to the mailing list address. Most mailing lists I use don't do that. It is usually better and prefer the answer to all policy as it permit to be notified of an answer without having to track the whole mailing list. What do you think about changing of policy? -- Nicolas Sebrecht
