Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
Christoph Gysin wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: btw - some time ago I let glxgears run on several wm - and it was the fastest on kwin and integrity (both qt based) and slower on gtk-based wm... glxgears doesn't need/use/depend neither a WM nor GTK/QT, so I don't see how this test makes any sense. But a WM and/or GTK/QT can have an effect on system load overall as well as working with the graphics card, which in the end can slow the gears. -- Jonathan Wright ~ mail at djnauk.co.uk ~ www.djnauk.co.uk -- 2.6.12-gentoo-r6-djnauk-b2 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+ up 3 days, 1:02, 13 users, load average: 0.63, 0.53, 0.52 -- It's hard enough to be taken seriously in the struggle for gay rights without having a bunch of straight girls running around kissing each other to get the attention of the boys and videocameras. ~ M. Robin D'Antan, 2002 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:11:08 +0200 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some people like the fat,. bloated, eye-candy heavy desktops - especially full experience of all components working together. Not all people choose kde/gnome because of their looks, but because they WANT a complete desktop environment. Certainly. But if you are scarce on resources you would rather spend them on something more important than all those bells and whistles. Cheers, Renat -- Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen, durch die sie entstanden sind. (Einstein) pgpfMVQ9a0lNu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Wright wrote: But a WM and/or GTK/QT can have an effect on system load overall as well as working with the graphics card, which in the end can slow the gears. Perhaps, but glxgears is a really, REALLY bad benchmark. - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDQQQOA7Qvptb0LKURAsNKAJwI0GmGz4ml9sP6tT03v5TDlCcB4wCgl33F NFUq6HAn0miBvvUjdQeO5Gs= =SQva -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
Hi all, I have a PIII 700Mhz, 256MB RAM, Finances are somewhat tight (read that as very tight) but I could do with some more speed when playing with python scripts + KDE can be a tad sluggish. The processor is going to have to be either a ... Intel Celeron 2.4GHz 128K 400MHz Socket 478 CPU OEM - 512MB RAM AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz (333FSB) 256K Cache Socket A OEM - 512 MB RAM The GHz sound impressive but I know neither chip is a very powerful, I believe they 'water down' the internals !. I cant find anywhere a comparison between my PIII these two possibilitys. My PIII is old technology, these two are newer technology with faster clock speeds but engineered to a price, would the speed increase be noticeable ? Any comments ? Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
On Sunday 02 October 2005 09:12, Dave S wrote: Hi all, I have a PIII 700Mhz, 256MB RAM, Finances are somewhat tight (read that as very tight) but I could do with some more speed when playing with python scripts + KDE can be a tad sluggish. The processor is going to have to be either a ... Intel Celeron 2.4GHz 128K 400MHz Socket 478 CPU OEM - 512MB RAM AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz (333FSB) 256K Cache Socket A OEM - 512 MB RAM The GHz sound impressive but I know neither chip is a very powerful, I believe they 'water down' the internals !. I cant find anywhere a comparison between my PIII these two possibilitys. My PIII is old technology, these two are newer technology with faster clock speeds but engineered to a price, would the speed increase be noticeable ? Any comments ? Dave the most impact would come from the bigger ram ;) The ram upgrade alone would be very noticeable - the cpu-upgrade would mostly result in a little bit faster compile times. But I would go for the sempron - most of the time the cpus are waiting for the ram - and the bigger the cache, the bigger the chance, that the data is already there. Plus it is 'exclusive' cache, everything in L1 won't be cached in L2 too - while in clereons/P4 the same stuff can be in L1 and L2.. wasting space (or was so, the last time I read about it..) btw, aren't socket 754-boardssemprons in the same financial range like the socket a stuff? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:12:56AM +0100, Dave S wrote: The GHz sound impressive but I know neither chip is a very powerful, I believe they 'water down' the internals !. I cant find anywhere a comparison between my PIII these two possibilitys. I found a comparision between (almost) your target cpus: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=61 (note the celeron is actually the 2.8 GHz Model) My PIII is old technology, these two are newer technology with faster clock speeds but engineered to a price, would the speed increase be noticeable ? Any comments ? The 512 MB Ram will defently noticeable when you work with KDE. KDE is very ram hungry and I wouldn't recommend to run it with less than 512. (Although speed / memory consumption seem to have improved miles with the latest versions of kde) Intel Celeron 2.4GHz 128K 400MHz Socket 478 CPU OEM - 512MB RAM AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz (333FSB) 256K Cache Socket A OEM - 512 MB RAM As to the processors, I'd go for the Sempron. Celerons are IMO castraded pentiums and really not great for compiler runs. The halved L1 cache really hits on the performance in general. Since you are on a contrained budget I'd even more strongley urge you to amd, since they usually give you more performance for the buck. (That being said.. i'm no fan of intel. Therefore take this with a grain of salt.) Oh btw.. you may ignore GHz numbers now.. they are no longer an indicator of how fast processors are. - Folken -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
Perhaps you can get a Semprom with a smaller clock but a higher FSB. I have an AMD Semprom 2400+ with 400 Mhz FSB, 1 GB of Ram and I'm very happy with it. It plays all the games I want and I can work in it very smoothly. I recently upgrade to 1 GB of Ram, used to be 512 Mb and the difference is amazing compared to 256, specially compile speeds. So, unless you might want to upgrade you Celeron to a P4, assuming the motherboard will take both, I'd go with Semprom, I believe it's more cost-effective. 2005/10/2, Folken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:12:56AM +0100, Dave S wrote: The GHz sound impressive but I know neither chip is a very powerful, I believe they 'water down' the internals !. I cant find anywhere a comparison between my PIII these two possibilitys. I found a comparision between (almost) your target cpus: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=61 (note the celeron is actually the 2.8 GHz Model) My PIII is old technology, these two are newer technology with faster clock speeds but engineered to a price, would the speed increase be noticeable ? Any comments ? The 512 MB Ram will defently noticeable when you work with KDE. KDE is very ram hungry and I wouldn't recommend to run it with less than 512. (Although speed / memory consumption seem to have improved miles with the latest versions of kde) Intel Celeron 2.4GHz 128K 400MHz Socket 478 CPU OEM - 512MB RAM AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz (333FSB) 256K Cache Socket A OEM - 512 MB RAM As to the processors, I'd go for the Sempron. Celerons are IMO castraded pentiums and really not great for compiler runs. The halved L1 cache really hits on the performance in general. Since you are on a contrained budget I'd even more strongley urge you to amd, since they usually give you more performance for the buck. (That being said.. i'm no fan of intel. Therefore take this with a grain of salt.) Oh btw.. you may ignore GHz numbers now.. they are no longer an indicator of how fast processors are. - Folken -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales wrote: Perhaps you can get a Semprom with a smaller clock but a higher FSB. I have an AMD Semprom 2400+ with 400 Mhz FSB, 1 GB of Ram and I'm very happy with it. It plays all the games I want and I can work in it very smoothly. I recently upgrade to 1 GB of Ram, used to be 512 Mb and the difference is amazing compared to 256, specially compile speeds. So, unless you might want to upgrade you Celeron to a P4, assuming the motherboard will take both, I'd go with Semprom, I believe it's more cost-effective. 2005/10/2, Folken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:12:56AM +0100, Dave S wrote: The GHz sound impressive but I know neither chip is a very powerful, I believe they 'water down' the internals !. I cant find anywhere a comparison between my PIII these two possibilitys. I found a comparision between (almost) your target cpus: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=61 (note the celeron is actually the 2.8 GHz Model) My PIII is old technology, these two are newer technology with faster clock speeds but engineered to a price, would the speed increase be noticeable ? Any comments ? The 512 MB Ram will defently noticeable when you work with KDE. KDE is very ram hungry and I wouldn't recommend to run it with less than 512. (Although speed / memory consumption seem to have improved miles with the latest versions of kde) Intel Celeron 2.4GHz 128K 400MHz Socket 478 CPU OEM - 512MB RAM AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0GHz (333FSB) 256K Cache Socket A OEM - 512 MB RAM As to the processors, I'd go for the Sempron. Celerons are IMO castraded pentiums and really not great for compiler runs. The halved L1 cache really hits on the performance in general. Since you are on a contrained budget I'd even more strongley urge you to amd, since they usually give you more performance for the buck. (That being said.. i'm no fan of intel. Therefore take this with a grain of salt.) Oh btw.. you may ignore GHz numbers now.. they are no longer an indicator of how fast processors are. - Folken -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Thanks for all your input guys, its been very helpfull. A Sempron seems the way to go ... Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT worth upgrading hardware ?
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 08:12:56AM +0100, Dave S wrote Hi all, I have a PIII 700Mhz, 256MB RAM, Finances are somewhat tight (read that as very tight) but I could do with some more speed when playing with python scripts + KDE can be a tad sluggish. Running a fat bloated resource-hogging desktop like GNOME or KDE means that you're wasting a lot of system resources on Windows-like eye-candy. Before spending any money, try switching to a lightweight WM (Window Manager) like blackbox. If you want a control panel use the fbpanel app. You have to set things up manually, but things run a lot quicker. Note; you can run KDE and GNOME *APPLICATIONS* without running a GNOME or KDE *DESKTOP*. I run applications, not desktops. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
