Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:09:03 +0100, Mick wrote:

 I would seek a refund for the MSWindows OS that it comes preinstalled
 with. (This is a blatant case of software bundling with their products
 and the refusal to cough up a refund when requested remains
 incompatible with European Directive 2005/29/EC.  Court test cases in
 France and Belgium have validated this and big boys like Dell are now
 more cautious when confronted by informed consumers assertively
 requesting refunds.)

The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes with
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the Ferengi.


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Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/06/2015 15:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:09:03 +0100, Mick wrote:
 
 I would seek a refund for the MSWindows OS that it comes preinstalled
 with. (This is a blatant case of software bundling with their products
 and the refusal to cough up a refund when requested remains
 incompatible with European Directive 2005/29/EC.  Court test cases in
 France and Belgium have validated this and big boys like Dell are now
 more cautious when confronted by informed consumers assertively
 requesting refunds.)
 
 The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes with
 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.


If you or the crowd you work for can legitimately qualify as a business
customer, you experience a whole different world to the plebs who buy
thrugh the consume site.

Suddenly all the options you could not have before become available,
like swapping out hardware for something different. It's actually not a
problem for Dell to do this as so many of their products are highly
customized and they use that fancy JIT manufacturing process-thingy.

I've never found removing Windows from the order to be a problem; ask,
and of course they can accomodate my specific needs.   But, sales of
1000+ laptops a year nd a dedicated sales person just for us might have
had something to do with that :-)

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 24 Jun 2015 19:16:01 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 24/06/2015 19:35, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
  On Wed, Jun 24 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  One more thing I can add: From observation, I can say that Dell has 2 or
  more grades of kit they sell:
  
  1. Cheap shit. You find these in supermarkets and Walmart. It's just as
  crappy as all the other cheap shit around with the same bargain basement
  price.
  
  They call this inspiron
  
  2. Good stuff like the Precision and XPS range. You tend not to find
  these at Walmart, and have to go to a proper dealer for them, or your
  workplace has a scheme to provide them.
  
  These tend to be big or specialized or super-graphics.  Latitude is the
  line for normal business.
 
 Yes, that's the ones :-)

Minor caveat emptor:

I bought an XPS some years ago for an exceptionally high amount of money - 
close to what I would pay for an AppleMac.  More than a month after I placed 
an order I still had no laptop ... Multiple enquiries with Dell and being 
bounced between them and their delivery company, revealed that it wasn't just 
China taking forever to assemble it or ship it, but there was ultimately a 
problem with their mickey mouse delivery company and a particular driver who 
'lost' my XPS.  So I asked them to dispatch another preferably with a 
different delivery company.  More than two months after the initial order I 
was relieved to receive a box with a laptop in it.

It was all new and shiny, but its plastic frame was bent upwards in the 
middle, along with the keyboard, with keys ending up rubbing against the 
screen and marking it.  What I am trying to describe is that the main laptop 
case had a considerable curve in the middle, while the screen was flat, 
creating an area of contact between the keyboard and the middle of the monitor 
surface.  In a few months the monitor was scratched, as I used to take it to 
work on a daily basis and as you would do with a laptop I had to ... close the 
lid.

Given the experience of waiting for more than two months I did not return it 
at the time.  Since then the power supply/battery charger failed because it 
was under-rated for the large battery option I had chosen.  I had to buy a new 
bigger power supply at a considerable cost from Dell.  By now I had spent at 
least as much as an AppleMac would have costed, but without the brushed 
aluminium case and buttons.  :-(

Finally, the plastic left Shift key broke as I was using a vacuum cleaner to 
remove dust from the keyboard.  I can't bring myself to order a new keyboard 
and bodged some sticky tape fix for now, given that the laptop is 5 years old.

The good things about it have been:

1. It works fine without any other hardware failures than described above.

2. The battery still gives me just over 20 minutes on the battery, after a 
couple of cells died a year or so ago.

3. With a 1st gen i7 CPU it was faster than anything else in my household at 
the time and it is still pretty respectable on the compiling front.

4. The quality of the 1080p monitor is still impressive, but unfortunately 
scratched a bit in the middle.


If I were to order again a laptop from Dell I would try not to order it 
without a back up machine - a silly statement I know, since PCs often break 
down when you are least prepared for it!  :p

I would definitely return it if things as major as a bent case were evident.

I would seek a refund for the MSWindows OS that it comes preinstalled with.  
(This is a blatant case of software bundling with their products and the 
refusal to cough up a refund when requested remains incompatible with European 
Directive 2005/29/EC.  Court test cases in France and Belgium have validated 
this and big boys like Dell are now more cautious when confronted by informed 
consumers assertively requesting refunds.)

However, first and foremost I would try to look at options for building a 
laptop myself.  I would not buy a ready made dekstop PC from an OEM, because I 
can get a better/cheaper selection of components myself, so I would like to 
explore this for laptops too.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Jun 25 2015, Mick wrote:

 On Thursday 25 Jun 2015 16:06:31 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:36:36 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
   The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes
   with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.
  
  I dual boot windows and gentoo.  The quotes are there since my current
  machine (3 years old) has never been in windows post-installation.  The
  advantage of having windows available occurs if you need dell
  maintenance.
 
 Which is a rather poor reason for keeping Windows around. The Ubuntu
 version is not significantly cheaper, but it would make dealing with
 support that much easier if the machine was supposed to have Linux on it
 in the first place.

 When I bought my 16 XPS Ubuntu was definitely not available and when I asked 
 (repeatedly) I was told that if I wanted a Linux OS I would have to buy a 
 cheaper laptop that came with Ubuntu.  They were also adamant in their very 
 polite Indian accent that the only OS that came with the laptop I wanted was 
 MSWindows 7 and they would not sell it without an OS.

 Of course if you are a big corporate customer they will be more accomodating, 
 but in my case they were reading off a script with any option available for 
 me, as long as it was exactly what was shown on the Dell website.  :-p

Interesting.  When I just now logged into dell.com I could find the
latitude 7450 with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.  But ubunto was *not* there
and neither was a 1920x1080 non-touch screen.  Indeed many fewer options
that when I logged in premier.dell.com and went to the same laptop.

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Jun 25 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:09:03 +0100, Mick wrote:

 I would seek a refund for the MSWindows OS that it comes preinstalled
 with. (This is a blatant case of software bundling with their products
 and the refusal to cough up a refund when requested remains
 incompatible with European Directive 2005/29/EC.  Court test cases in
 France and Belgium have validated this and big boys like Dell are now
 more cautious when confronted by informed consumers assertively
 requesting refunds.)

 The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes with
 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.

I dual boot windows and gentoo.  The quotes are there since my current
machine (3 years old) has never been in windows post-installation.  The
advantage of having windows available occurs if you need dell
maintenance.  At least in the past they are much more comfortable with
windows.

allan

PS Also ,I keep thinking I will install and play diablo, a game I played
about 5 years ago :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Jun 25 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 On 25/06/2015 15:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:09:03 +0100, Mick wrote:
 
 I would seek a refund for the MSWindows OS that it comes preinstalled
 with. (This is a blatant case of software bundling with their products
 and the refusal to cough up a refund when requested remains
 incompatible with European Directive 2005/29/EC.  Court test cases in
 France and Belgium have validated this and big boys like Dell are now
 more cautious when confronted by informed consumers assertively
 requesting refunds.)
 
 The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes with
 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.

 If you or the crowd you work for can legitimately qualify as a business
 customer, you experience a whole different world to the plebs who buy
 thrugh the consume site.

Very much agreed.  I bought consumer dells (inspiron) for my children
and the customer service was poor.  Even close DNA matching didn't help.

allan

PS Both now have macs and are fully wired into the apple ecosystem, much
to my chagrin.



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Jun 25 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:36:36 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:

  The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes
  with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.  
 
 I dual boot windows and gentoo.  The quotes are there since my current
 machine (3 years old) has never been in windows post-installation.  The
 advantage of having windows available occurs if you need dell
 maintenance.

 Which is a rather poor reason for keeping Windows around. The Ubuntu
 version is not significantly cheaper, but it would make dealing with
 support that much easier if the machine was supposed to have Linux on it
 in the first place.

The cost (after purchase) is a few 10s of GB of disk.  Dell's remote hw
diagnostics work well when you boot windows.  My wife's machine is dell
windows-only and she did make use of dell maintenance.

That said, in order to confirm linux support for the various hardware
pieces, I did temporarily select ubuntu.  The result was that Wi-Gig
wireless and LCD screen are not supported so I changed to the non Wi-Gig
versions.

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-25 Thread Mick
On Thursday 25 Jun 2015 16:06:31 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:36:36 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
   The XPS 13 at least is available as a Developer Edition that comes
   with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS instead of Windows.
  
  I dual boot windows and gentoo.  The quotes are there since my current
  machine (3 years old) has never been in windows post-installation.  The
  advantage of having windows available occurs if you need dell
  maintenance.
 
 Which is a rather poor reason for keeping Windows around. The Ubuntu
 version is not significantly cheaper, but it would make dealing with
 support that much easier if the machine was supposed to have Linux on it
 in the first place.

When I bought my 16 XPS Ubuntu was definitely not available and when I asked 
(repeatedly) I was told that if I wanted a Linux OS I would have to buy a 
cheaper laptop that came with Ubuntu.  They were also adamant in their very 
polite Indian accent that the only OS that came with the laptop I wanted was 
MSWindows 7 and they would not sell it without an OS.

Of course if you are a big corporate customer they will be more accomodating, 
but in my case they were reading off a script with any option available for 
me, as long as it was exactly what was shown on the Dell website.  :-p

If I could source the same components at the time and assemble the laptop 
myself, I would pay slightly less, but definitely get a straight case that 
shuts without damaging the monitor screen.  For the same money I would 
probably get a better quality case that isn't and doesn't feel as plastic as 
this one.  However, when I looked I didn't find any build-your-own laptop 
options in the market at the time.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/06/2015 18:53, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 21 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
 On 21/06/2015 21:16, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 I am seriously thinking of updating my dell 6430s laptop purchased 3
 years ago.  NYU has an arrangement with dell so that is the only maker
 I am considering.  This machine will be essentially gentoo only (I
 configure my computers to dual boot some version of windows for ease
 in dealing with dell support).

[...]


 So on the whole, my experience with higher-end Dell is that hardware is
 pretty much well-supported across the boards with very few gotchas. The
 only two exceptions would be wifi cards (cheap to fix) and maybe GPU
 co-processor (if you are unlucky to get an unsupported cutting edge one
 and need to wait a bit for Linux support to catch up).
 
 I've had similar experiences but very much appreciate the confirmation
 and your comments.


One more thing I can add: From observation, I can say that Dell has 2 or
more grades of kit they sell:

1. Cheap shit. You find these in supermarkets and Walmart. It's just as
crappy as all the other cheap shit around with the same bargain basement
price.

2. Good stuff like the Precision and XPS range. You tend not to find
these at Walmart, and have to go to a proper dealer for them, or your
workplace has a scheme to provide them.

You want category #2. But seeing as you are looking at the i7-5600U and
similar, I think you are already in that bracket.

Just wanted to clarify that :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/06/2015 19:35, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 24 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
 One more thing I can add: From observation, I can say that Dell has 2 or
 more grades of kit they sell:

 1. Cheap shit. You find these in supermarkets and Walmart. It's just as
 crappy as all the other cheap shit around with the same bargain basement
 price.
 
 They call this inspiron
 
 2. Good stuff like the Precision and XPS range. You tend not to find
 these at Walmart, and have to go to a proper dealer for them, or your
 workplace has a scheme to provide them.
 
 These tend to be big or specialized or super-graphics.  Latitude is the
 line for normal business.


Yes, that's the ones :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-24 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jun 24 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 One more thing I can add: From observation, I can say that Dell has 2 or
 more grades of kit they sell:

 1. Cheap shit. You find these in supermarkets and Walmart. It's just as
 crappy as all the other cheap shit around with the same bargain basement
 price.

They call this inspiron

 2. Good stuff like the Precision and XPS range. You tend not to find
 these at Walmart, and have to go to a proper dealer for them, or your
 workplace has a scheme to provide them.

These tend to be big or specialized or super-graphics.  Latitude is the
line for normal business.

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-23 Thread Christopher Jones


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:16 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 
 I am seriously thinking of updating my dell 6430s laptop purchased 3
 years ago.  NYU has an arrangement with dell so that is the only maker
 I am considering.  This machine will be essentially gentoo only (I
 configure my computers to dual boot some version of windows for ease
 in dealing with dell support).
 
 The hardest decision is size vs performance, but I know you can't help
 with that.  I have pretty much decided on the dell 7450.  My questions
 concern three options: Graphics, Wireless, Screen.  But would appreciate
 any other advice you have.
 
 I will definitely get
  * 16GB ram (2 x 8GB)
  * 512GB solid state disk
  * most powerful CPU compatible with the options chosen
 
 1. Graphics.
I can afford a high-end graphics co-processor, but prefer the
software/administrative simplicity of intel graphics.  I do not
play high speed games or otherwise run graphics intensive
applications. Am I correct in believing that Linux (the kernel)
supports (the dell option)
   Intel Core i7-5600U Processor, UMA graphics, Smart Card
directly with no extra gentoo package needed?
 
 2. Wireless.
 
My current home router/wireless-access-point (linksys WRT54G)
supports 10/100 wired and 802.11bg wireless.  I have no problems
with this device or our home network, but I could upgrade to a
1-gigabit version if deemed important.
 
Currently I must install net-wireless/broadcom-sta.  This has caused
no problems to date, but a wireless chip supported directly by linux
would be preferable.
 
I would appreciate help choosing among the following dell options
(the prices are about the same).
a. Intel Tri Band Wireless-AC 17265 802.11AC
   Wi-Fi + Wi-Gig + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card
b. Dell Wireless 1707 802.11n Single Band
   Wi-Fi + BT 4.0LE Wireless Card
c. Dell Wireless 1560 (802.11ac 2x2, WiFi  BT)
d. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 802.11AC
   Wi-Fi + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card (2X2)
 
 3. Screen
   I am only considering 1920x1080 (best available) with a camera.
   a. Touch is available for $160.
  Are touch screens supported on gentoo/gnome?
   b. Some screens (including touch) are WiGig capable.
  This requires option 2a above (Tri Band Wireless-AC).
  Is WiGig valuable and is it easy to administer?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 allan
 
 
Regarding the touch screens/tablets, Gentoo has drivers for them. I've been 
using Gentoo on my tablet PC for years now. However there's no swipe 
capability. I've read someone who did it but that was just one person and 
couldn't figure out how he did it. I think they used KDE's Plasma. 





Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-23 Thread gottlieb
On Sun, Jun 21 2015, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 On 21/06/2015 21:16, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 I am seriously thinking of updating my dell 6430s laptop purchased 3
 years ago.  NYU has an arrangement with dell so that is the only maker
 I am considering.  This machine will be essentially gentoo only (I
 configure my computers to dual boot some version of windows for ease
 in dealing with dell support).
 
 The hardest decision is size vs performance, but I know you can't help
 with that.  I have pretty much decided on the dell 7450.  My questions
 concern three options: Graphics, Wireless, Screen.  But would appreciate
 any other advice you have.

 I've used nothing bur Dell laptops for 10 years (currently on #5), and
 I've yet to run into any hardware support issues.

Same here (but 20+ years).  However, some friends and my children did
have problems.  I believe the difference is NYU buys many dells, whereas
the friends/children were individual purchasers.

 I will definitely get
   * 16GB ram (2 x 8GB)
   * 512GB solid state disk
   * most powerful CPU compatible with the options chosen
 
 1. Graphics.
 I can afford a high-end graphics co-processor, but prefer the
 software/administrative simplicity of intel graphics.  Am I
 correct in believing that Linux (the kernel) supports
 (the dell option)
Intel Core i7-5600U Processor, UMA graphics, Smart Card
 directly with no extra gentoo package needed?

 All intel cards I've ever seen are supported.

Good.  I will get the Core i7-5600U

 2. Wireless.
 
 I would appreciate help choosing among the following dell options
 (the prices are about the same).
 a. Intel Tri Band Wireless-AC 17265 802.11AC
Wi-Fi + Wi-Gig + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card
 b. Dell Wireless 1707 802.11n Single Band
Wi-Fi + BT 4.0LE Wireless Card
 c. Dell Wireless 1560 (802.11ac 2x2, WiFi  BT)
 d. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 802.11AC
Wi-Fi + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card (2X2)

 Intel wifi cards OTH, seem to Just Work. I recommend you go with an
 intel card, or swap it out later (they are fairly cheap).

OK.  I guess I will choose a. over d. above for the (stupid/naive)
reason that tri band is better than dual band.

 3. Screen
I am only considering 1920x1080 (best available) with a camera.
a. Are touch screens supported on gentoo/gnome?

 No idea, never used one.

b. Is WiGig valuable and is it easy to administer?

 Never heard of it :-)

OK.  I will (shudder) ask dell which 1920x1080 w/ camera screen to get.

 So on the whole, my experience with higher-end Dell is that hardware is
 pretty much well-supported across the boards with very few gotchas. The
 only two exceptions would be wifi cards (cheap to fix) and maybe GPU
 co-processor (if you are unlucky to get an unsupported cutting edge one
 and need to wait a bit for Linux support to catch up).

I've had similar experiences but very much appreciate the confirmation
and your comments.

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-23 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Jun 23 2015, Christopher Jones wrote:

 Sent from my iPhone

 Regarding the touch screens/tablets, Gentoo has drivers for them. I've
 been using Gentoo on my tablet PC for years now. However there's no
 swipe capability. I've read someone who did it but that was just one
 person and couldn't figure out how he did it. I think they used KDE's
 Plasma.

Thanks.  I use gnome and would make little use of the touch screen
capability if it were available.  As a result I decided against it for
this purchase since it appears the admin overhead would exceed the very
modest use I would make of it.  Hopefully in 3 years, when I buy my next
laptop it will be well supported and just works in gnome.

thanks again,
allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-23 Thread Daniel Frey
On 06/23/2015 10:50 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 23 2015, Christopher Jones wrote:
 
 Sent from my iPhone

 Regarding the touch screens/tablets, Gentoo has drivers for them. I've
 been using Gentoo on my tablet PC for years now. However there's no
 swipe capability. I've read someone who did it but that was just one
 person and couldn't figure out how he did it. I think they used KDE's
 Plasma.
 
 Thanks.  I use gnome and would make little use of the touch screen
 capability if it were available.  As a result I decided against it for
 this purchase since it appears the admin overhead would exceed the very
 modest use I would make of it.  Hopefully in 3 years, when I buy my next
 laptop it will be well supported and just works in gnome.
 
 thanks again,
 allan
 

I discovered another mark against touchscreens - I tried to repair a
friend's laptop with a touch screen (not a Dell) and found that the
supply chain for parts for repair is slim to none. They do break and in
a couple years you may not be able to find a digitizer (or if you do you
can't get it separate from the laptop screen assembly - camera, screen,
digitizer). And if you are really unlucky you'll find that the
connectors are different from the non-touch to the touch models so
swapping in a plain screen won't work.

Dan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-23 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Jun 23 2015, Daniel Frey wrote:

 On 06/23/2015 10:50 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 23 2015, Christopher Jones wrote:
 
 Sent from my iPhone

 Regarding the touch screens/tablets, Gentoo has drivers for them. I've
 been using Gentoo on my tablet PC for years now. However there's no
 swipe capability. I've read someone who did it but that was just one
 person and couldn't figure out how he did it. I think they used KDE's
 Plasma.
 
 Thanks.  I use gnome and would make little use of the touch screen
 capability if it were available.  As a result I decided against it for
 this purchase since it appears the admin overhead would exceed the very
 modest use I would make of it.  Hopefully in 3 years, when I buy my next
 laptop it will be well supported and just works in gnome.
 
 thanks again,
 allan
 

 I discovered another mark against touchscreens - I tried to repair a
 friend's laptop with a touch screen (not a Dell) and found that the
 supply chain for parts for repair is slim to none. They do break and in
 a couple years you may not be able to find a digitizer (or if you do you
 can't get it separate from the laptop screen assembly - camera, screen,
 digitizer). And if you are really unlucky you'll find that the
 connectors are different from the non-touch to the touch models so
 swapping in a plain screen won't work.

 Dan

Thanks.  I will wait until next cycle for a touchscreen.

allan



Re: [gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 21/06/2015 21:16, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 I am seriously thinking of updating my dell 6430s laptop purchased 3
 years ago.  NYU has an arrangement with dell so that is the only maker
 I am considering.  This machine will be essentially gentoo only (I
 configure my computers to dual boot some version of windows for ease
 in dealing with dell support).
 
 The hardest decision is size vs performance, but I know you can't help
 with that.  I have pretty much decided on the dell 7450.  My questions
 concern three options: Graphics, Wireless, Screen.  But would appreciate
 any other advice you have.

I've used nothing bur Dell laptops for 10 years (currently on #5), and
I've yet to run into any hardware support issues.

 
 I will definitely get
   * 16GB ram (2 x 8GB)
   * 512GB solid state disk
   * most powerful CPU compatible with the options chosen
 
 1. Graphics.
 I can afford a high-end graphics co-processor, but prefer the
 software/administrative simplicity of intel graphics.  I do not
 play high speed games or otherwise run graphics intensive
 applications. Am I correct in believing that Linux (the kernel)
 supports (the dell option)
Intel Core i7-5600U Processor, UMA graphics, Smart Card
 directly with no extra gentoo package needed?

All intel cards I've ever seen are supported. My current machine has an
AMD co-card, the one before a Nvidia co-card. Both times I just used the
Intel hardware, it does eveything I need

 
 2. Wireless.
 
 My current home router/wireless-access-point (linksys WRT54G)
 supports 10/100 wired and 802.11bg wireless.  I have no problems
 with this device or our home network, but I could upgrade to a
 1-gigabit version if deemed important.
 
 Currently I must install net-wireless/broadcom-sta.  This has caused
 no problems to date, but a wireless chip supported directly by linux
 would be preferable.

Hmm, broadcom. Lots of effort, IMNSHO not worth the effort.
 
 I would appreciate help choosing among the following dell options
 (the prices are about the same).
 a. Intel Tri Band Wireless-AC 17265 802.11AC
Wi-Fi + Wi-Gig + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card
 b. Dell Wireless 1707 802.11n Single Band
Wi-Fi + BT 4.0LE Wireless Card
 c. Dell Wireless 1560 (802.11ac 2x2, WiFi  BT)
 d. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 802.11AC
Wi-Fi + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card (2X2)

Dell branded wireless is pot luck what it might actually be under the
covers. My current one (class n) is actually a broadcom and needs
broadcom-sta (which I can't get to work). Intel wifi cards OTH, seem to
Just Work. I recommend you go with an intel card, or swap it out later
(they are fairly cheap)

  
 3. Screen
I am only considering 1920x1080 (best available) with a camera.
a. Touch is available for $160.
   Are touch screens supported on gentoo/gnome?

No idea, never used one. I have a tablet and a phone for Touch, and if I
*really* want to swipe, I guess there's always that latest Windows

b. Some screens (including touch) are WiGig capable.
   This requires option 2a above (Tri Band Wireless-AC).
 Is WiGig valuable and is it easy to administer?

Never heard of it :-)



So on the whole, my experience with higher-end Dell is that hardware is
pretty much well-supported across the boards with very few gotchas. The
only two exceptions would be wifi cards (cheap to fix) and maybe GPU
co-processor (if you are unlucky to get an unsupported cutting edge one
and need to wait a bit for Linux support to catch up).

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




[gentoo-user] purchasing a dell laptop

2015-06-21 Thread gottlieb
I am seriously thinking of updating my dell 6430s laptop purchased 3
years ago.  NYU has an arrangement with dell so that is the only maker
I am considering.  This machine will be essentially gentoo only (I
configure my computers to dual boot some version of windows for ease
in dealing with dell support).

The hardest decision is size vs performance, but I know you can't help
with that.  I have pretty much decided on the dell 7450.  My questions
concern three options: Graphics, Wireless, Screen.  But would appreciate
any other advice you have.

I will definitely get
  * 16GB ram (2 x 8GB)
  * 512GB solid state disk
  * most powerful CPU compatible with the options chosen

1. Graphics.
I can afford a high-end graphics co-processor, but prefer the
software/administrative simplicity of intel graphics.  I do not
play high speed games or otherwise run graphics intensive
applications. Am I correct in believing that Linux (the kernel)
supports (the dell option)
   Intel Core i7-5600U Processor, UMA graphics, Smart Card
directly with no extra gentoo package needed?

2. Wireless.

My current home router/wireless-access-point (linksys WRT54G)
supports 10/100 wired and 802.11bg wireless.  I have no problems
with this device or our home network, but I could upgrade to a
1-gigabit version if deemed important.

Currently I must install net-wireless/broadcom-sta.  This has caused
no problems to date, but a wireless chip supported directly by linux
would be preferable.

I would appreciate help choosing among the following dell options
(the prices are about the same).
a. Intel Tri Band Wireless-AC 17265 802.11AC
   Wi-Fi + Wi-Gig + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card
b. Dell Wireless 1707 802.11n Single Band
   Wi-Fi + BT 4.0LE Wireless Card
c. Dell Wireless 1560 (802.11ac 2x2, WiFi  BT)
d. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 802.11AC
   Wi-Fi + BT 4.0 LE Wireless Card (2X2)
 
3. Screen
   I am only considering 1920x1080 (best available) with a camera.
   a. Touch is available for $160.
  Are touch screens supported on gentoo/gnome?
   b. Some screens (including touch) are WiGig capable.
  This requires option 2a above (Tri Band Wireless-AC).
  Is WiGig valuable and is it easy to administer?

Thanks in advance,
allan