Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com writes: Are you saying that you were able to print to your brother printers by more or less following these steps: 1. buy a computer, install gentoo 2. buy a brother printer, plug it into computer via usb 3. emerge net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters 4. Visit the local cups webpage, add new printer, select brother 5. print Notably missing from my list is a visit to brother's website (or any other website) to download drivers/binaries/confs/etc. More or less. The Brother printers happen to be attached to a Debian box, but the Gentoo box doesn't require any additional drivers in order to feed the content to the Debian box over IPP. (And the Debian box isn't doing any PCL-Brother or PostScript-Brother translation.) Wow, when I go into CUPS, I do not even see brother listed. (localhost:631) on a gentoo system. this link: http://www.openprinting.org/printers did list many brother printers,but not the one I'm interested in : Brother MFC-J6710DW Inkjet What did you do to your cups to get it to show (flags?) brother printers as an option to install a brother printer? Here are my flags: Installed versions: 1.5.2-r4^t(00:11:27 09/13/12)(X acl dbus filters gnutls java jpeg ldap pam perl png python slp ssl threads tiff usb -avahi snip Maybe the debian system has other additional software installed besides cups? Looking at dependencies, these may be relevant packages installed on the debian box: cups-driver-gutenprint foomatic-db foomatic-engine So, I may be wrong about my print server not doing translation. Or maybe my print server is providing IPP clients with the appropriate PPD file to generate printer commands. I really don't know. My setup seems to just work. You might poke net-print/foomatic-filters-ppds and net-print/gutenprint. Really, I'd suggest you try net-print/foomatic-*; it's easier to shotgun it and reduce to a minimal working set than attack it from the other direction. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Trausch m...@trausch.us wrote: I have used Lexmark lasers (mono and color) for They work with standard PostScript drivers out of the box Michael, Are you saying that you were able to print to your Lexmark laser printers by more or less following these steps: 1. buy a computer, install gentoo 2. buy a lexmark mono or laser printer, plug it into computer via usb 3. emerge net-print/cups 4. Do something with standard postscript drivers (??? please elaborate on this) 5. Visit the local cups webpage, add new printer, select lexmark 6. print Notably absent from this list: PCL, IPP, foomatic, hplip, ppds, binary, drivers, manufacturer website visits, etc Thank you! Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I have a Brother MFC-7460DN network laser AIO. Both printing and scanning work fine, using modified ebuilds from b.g.o. Duplex printing also works as expected. So I started looking at the drivers at the bgo overlay, I did fine: brother-mfc-j265w-drivers-1 http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-J315W Is that the drive you used? How will I know it works with the printer I'm looking at? (MFC-J6710DW ) Will I have to hack an ebuild to get my specific printer to work? And I ended up here: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#MFC-J6710DW Since I did not see a specific overlay for the MFC-J6710DB, I did browse the brother linux drivers here: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html So, I guess I'm looking for advice on rolling my own hacked ebuild for this brother printer, or did I miss how all Brother printers are supported on gentoo? Looking in CUPS, I did not see For my Brother printers, having net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters, is sufficient. I'm not doing anything with scanning or the like, though. Isn't there a page on one of the Gentoo wikis for this? At the very least, there's the printer compatibility database[1] at the Linux foundation. (Apparently, that's where linuxprinting.org went.) [1] http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: For my Brother printers, having net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters, is sufficient. I'm not doing anything with scanning or the like, though. Michael, Are you saying that you were able to print to your brother printers by more or less following these steps: 1. buy a computer, install gentoo 2. buy a brother printer, plug it into computer via usb 3. emerge net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters 4. Visit the local cups webpage, add new printer, select brother 5. print Notably missing from my list is a visit to brother's website (or any other website) to download drivers/binaries/confs/etc. Thank you, Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 16:01:05 + (UTC), James wrote: I have a Brother MFC-7460DN network laser AIO. Both printing and scanning work fine, using modified ebuilds from b.g.o. Duplex printing also works as expected. So I started looking at the drivers at the bgo overlay, I did fine: brother-mfc-j265w-drivers-1 http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-J315W Is that the drive you used? How will I know it works with the printer I'm looking at? (MFC-J6710DW ) I looked at the Brother site to find the driver to use, then looked at the wiki and bgo and found an ebuild for the previous model, which I edited to use the drivers for my printer. -- Neil Bothwick Love and Trust: Oral sex between cannibals. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: For my Brother printers, having net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters, is sufficient. I'm not doing anything with scanning or the like, though. Michael, Are you saying that you were able to print to your brother printers by more or less following these steps: 1. buy a computer, install gentoo 2. buy a brother printer, plug it into computer via usb 3. emerge net-print/cups and net-print/foomatic-filters 4. Visit the local cups webpage, add new printer, select brother 5. print Notably missing from my list is a visit to brother's website (or any other website) to download drivers/binaries/confs/etc. More or less. The Brother printers happen to be attached to a Debian box, but the Gentoo box doesn't require any additional drivers in order to feed the content to the Debian box over IPP. (And the Debian box isn't doing any PCL-Brother or PostScript-Brother translation.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
To add to the list of recommendations, I have used Lexmark lasers (mono and color) for a long time and been very happy with them. They work with standard PostScript drivers out of the box, with duplex support for those models that have it. Their inkjets are crap, but then again they all are; i don't use ink jet printers at all. On Sep 24, 2012 6:15 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 24 September 2012 18:45:29 James wrote: So now I'll have to think about all of this some more HP printers have worked for me for over 14 years with linux, unix and bsd systems.. I just cannot find an HP printer that fits my previously described needs... I may just get 2 for less than 500.00 as the HP 7000 officejet does handle the large 11x17 (A3 ledger) paper.. thanks to all for the input; other can still make some suggestions. I don't remember what you said you wanted, but I have a Kyocera FS1020-D mono laser which has performed faultlessly these last five years or so. It has a duplexer which also is driven properly. I also have a next-to useless HP D4260 inkjet. It purports to work properly but it's used so seldom that I can't get an even ink deposition. HTH. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: More or less. Hrm. I have the same printer and I had to visit brother's website and download some kind of binary to get it working. I was hoping to emerge cups and have it just work but that was not the case for me. Then again I don't even know what is PCL, IPP, PostScript, foomatic, hplip, ppds, etc. Chris
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Monday 24 September 2012 18:45:29 James wrote: So now I'll have to think about all of this some more HP printers have worked for me for over 14 years with linux, unix and bsd systems.. I just cannot find an HP printer that fits my previously described needs... I may just get 2 for less than 500.00 as the HP 7000 officejet does handle the large 11x17 (A3 ledger) paper.. thanks to all for the input; other can still make some suggestions. I don't remember what you said you wanted, but I have a Kyocera FS1020-D mono laser which has performed faultlessly these last five years or so. It has a duplexer which also is driven properly. I also have a next-to useless HP D4260 inkjet. It purports to work properly but it's used so seldom that I can't get an even ink deposition. HTH. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 24 September 2012 18:45:29 James wrote: So now I'll have to think about all of this some more HP printers have worked for me for over 14 years with linux, unix and bsd systems.. Both Xerox and HP have had good cross platform support and make some sturdy reliable printers that can last decades. The problem of course is that they both have their good/bad years and can be relatively expensive for the laser MFP's and associated supplies. I used to buy HP laserjets only, but then their costs went sky high while reliability and features went down. I switched to using Xerox Workcentersbut Xerox has a tendency to end-of-life troublesome models early and requires active support contracts for any real support after the initial purchase support period. On the other hand, the color laser MFP purchased in 2006 for the home office is still going strong. To my knowledge, Brother had a better reputation decades ago but recently is known more as a low-budget competitor. I'd definitely second that you focus any evaluation on the printer implementation of postscript...postscript is the true universal language in this industry. If you don't have any major feature needs, than also pay attention to the standby power usage, time to warm up for prints, power needs during startup, and cost per page for color and b/w prints. My MFP draws a huge amount of power briefly when it begins the day, uses solid ink that normally lasts me 9-12 months and then about every 2 years I have to spend ~$150 for an updated maintenance kit(toner?). I can live with all that, but I'll probably be paying more attention to power util on the next purchase 5-10 years or so from now. Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new printer suggestions?
On Sep 25, 2012 5:55 AM, Matthew Marlowe m...@professionalsysadmin.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 24 September 2012 18:45:29 James wrote: So now I'll have to think about all of this some more HP printers have worked for me for over 14 years with linux, unix and bsd systems.. Both Xerox and HP have had good cross platform support and make some sturdy reliable printers that can last decades. The problem of course is that they both have their good/bad years and can be relatively expensive for the laser MFP's and associated supplies. I used to buy HP laserjets only, but then their costs went sky high while reliability and features went down. I switched to using Xerox Workcentersbut Xerox has a tendency to end-of-life troublesome models early and requires active support contracts for any real support after the initial purchase support period. On the other hand, the color laser MFP purchased in 2006 for the home office is still going strong. To my knowledge, Brother had a better reputation decades ago but recently is known more as a low-budget competitor. I'd definitely second that you focus any evaluation on the printer implementation of postscript...postscript is the true universal language in this industry. If you don't have any major feature needs, than also pay attention to the standby power usage, time to warm up for prints, power needs during startup, and cost per page for color and b/w prints. My MFP draws a huge amount of power briefly when it begins the day, uses solid ink that normally lasts me 9-12 months and then about every 2 years I have to spend ~$150 for an updated maintenance kit(toner?). I can live with all that, but I'll probably be paying more attention to power util on the next purchase 5-10 years or so from now. Matt Just to add my experience re: Brother... In my previous employment, we had a Brother MFP Color LED printer, its operating cost was far lower than HP Laserjet Color (toner cartridge is 100 USD, about 40% as expensive as HP's, but each cartridge lasts significantly longer, like, about twice the life of the latter). Support is great, probably because we bought one of the premium models. Unfortunately, it was a Windows-only environ, so I can't tell if it has good Linux support. Rgds, --
