On Thu, February 5, 2009 9:12 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:03:30 +0100 (CET), Jes�s Guerrero wrote:
Gentoo is not a distro. You don't use it, It's a metadristro
that can be used to build a proper distro, after that you can
use the final product.
It's a flatpack distro ;-)
* Neil Bothwick (n...@digimed.co.uk) [07.02.09 22:42]:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:43:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
If i have to do *multiple* installs for several copumters, which I do
not use myself, I choose debian, because fai rocks.
Shouldn't this fai be adopted for Gentoo? I
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:57:39 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Yes. That's true and I agree. But since emacs was proposed
as a way to overcome the natural limitations of info, I guess
that's completely fair if others point out also the disadvantages
of doing so. All in all, we could also say
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
Everyone's more or less agreeing here, that the info format is useful but
the standard info reader sucks. Once you start reading info pages in a
decent reader, like Konqueror, they are useful for more complex
documents. Although I'd still prefer HTML,
On 2009-02-08, Graham Murray gra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
Everyone's more or less agreeing here, that the info format is
useful but the standard info reader sucks. Once you start
reading info pages in a decent reader, like Konqueror, they
are useful
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:54:48 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
Did you look at quickstart, mentioned earlier in this discussion?
Nope, unless fai-quickstart was meant...
Any links?
Yes, posted twice already but not to hand now.
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Neil Bothwick
Math and alcohol don't mix. Don't drink and
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:17:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
*Install* Mandrake, to install Gentoo?
Where were you when Klaus invented Koppix...
An installed distro is better if you have work to do. When I ought this
Eee PC, I couldn't install from the default Xandros, so I installed
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:25:07 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
You'd expect to find a list of contents, chapters and an index
in a printed reference book, electronic documentation should
be no different.
Perhaps, but I think info is an awful implementation. A single
large man page is
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:08:46 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to
read info?
RTFM of course ;-)
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On Feb 7, 2009, at 4:52 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:25:07 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
You'd expect to find a list of contents, chapters and an index
in a printed reference book, electronic documentation should
be no different.
Perhaps, but I
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:48:07 -0500, Saphirus Sage wrote:
While I do like how the handbook is aranged, I'd much rather go
through condensed manpages
That's the problem, not all man pages are, or can be, condensed. As I
said before, man is fine for short reference documents, but some programs
Sebastian Günther wrote:
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [05.02.09 09:12]:
Than I'll rephrase my statement: Gentoo would need a non-bugged GUI
installer ;)
No, Gentoo needs no GUI or CLI installer. It is very good, that if you
install Gentoo for the first time, you must actually read
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity. You stated that
Gentoo needs a GUI installer. The number of people using it without one
shows that is simply not true.
You
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity.
That's why I didn't repeat it in the first place maybe?
You stated that
Gentoo needs a GUI
On Sat, February 7, 2009 12:23, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity.
That's why I didn't repeat it in the first
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity. You stated that
Gentoo needs a GUI installer. The number of people using it without one
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió:
Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com writes:
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
invented HTML, not Richard M Stallman.
Info has been around a lot longer than HTML, but I think you're
largely correct.
[...]
I
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
your software is already
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
Jesús Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es writes:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió:
Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com writes:
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
invented HTML, not Richard M Stallman.
Info has been around a lot longer than HTML, but I think
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
where? Because of the 'xemacs is even better'? Well, you are stating all the
time that info is perfect for big things like bash - and then you are
critizing me for stating unsupportable hard facts? Pretty ironic, don't you
think?
El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:37, Dale escribió:
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
[...]
If you like Mandriva and you install it to use it, then it's
ok, but to install it just to use it as a Gentoo installer it's a weird
thing to say the least.
El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:40, Harry Putnam escribió:
Jesús Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es writes:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió:
Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com writes:
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
invented HTML, not Richard M
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:37, Dale escribió:
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
[...]
If you like Mandriva and you install it to use it, then it's
ok, but to install it just to use it as a Gentoo
Mine is a true external serial modem. I make sure it says it works with
Linux or someone else tells me it does without the extra drivers. It's
just that some don't include wvdial and other dialers at times. I don't
know which ones do or don't and since I am on dial-up it is a HUGE deal.
It
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [07.02.09 18:25]:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity.
That's why I didn't repeat it in the first
* James Homuth (ja...@the-jdh.com) [07.02.09 18:29]:
if Gentoo needs anything, it's a more accessible method of installing for
those users who can't actually see the screen. Don't get me wrong, I love
the distro for several reasons, but if I were to install linux locally on
any of my
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:43:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
If i have to do *multiple* installs for several copumters, which I do
not use myself, I choose debian, because fai rocks.
Shouldn't this fai be adopted for Gentoo? I should investigate if this
is possible...
Did you look at
Jesús Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es writes:
There should be no posts beyond this point proclaiming how tuff it is
to use emacs if you have no network on a fresh install... Or having to
suffer through learning info to learn emacs to ah but who knows.
So you word is definitive and infallible.
El Dom, 8 de Febrero de 2009, 1:42, Harry Putnam escribió:
Jesús Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es writes:
There should be no posts beyond this point proclaiming how tuff it is
to use emacs if you have no network on a fresh install... Or having
to suffer through learning info to learn emacs
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more
complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten
it unless you take features off from bash. It's a very powerful
shell.
Same goes for my other
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:46:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Man pages are mostly written as reference documents. Like technical
specs, they tend to list the capabilities of the app without giving the
bigger picture overview as that is assumed to be known.
That's right,they tend to assume that you
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On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people
who don't
read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something
does not
work.
On Friday 06 February 2009 10:57:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:46:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Man pages are mostly written as reference documents. Like technical
specs, they tend to list the capabilities of the app without giving the
bigger picture overview as that is
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:11:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
If Grandma can easily use Google to find new shortcake recipes (an
entirely reasonable thing for Grandma to do in this day and age), then
it is not unreasonable for savvy users to have a look at the man page
and say
Oh look, this is a
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more
complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten
it unless you take features off from bash. It's
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 06 February 2009 14:36:12 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know exactly what
you are looking for, you are lost. And you can never sure in which part
they hid the information you are
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
quickly.
The kde ioslave for info makes this somewhat tolerable. At least you
move around in a
On Friday 06 February 2009 15:29:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
quickly.
The kde ioslave for info
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
quickly.
The kde ioslave for info makes this
On 2009-02-06, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 06 February 2009 15:29:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
you don't know what you are looking for you can
On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
...
Which begs the question, why not use HTML? It can be read on just
about
anything, searched and either split into chapters or presented as a
single
page.
AIUI info pages are compiled from Texinfo source and thus can be
automagically
On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote:
On 2009-02-06, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 06 February 2009 15:29:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily
On Friday 06 February 2009 14:36:12 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know exactly what
you are looking for, you are lost. And you can never sure in which part
they hid the information you are looking for. Oh - and the navigation? A
nightmare.
On 2009-02-06, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more
complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten
it unless you take features off from bash.
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled to
use the generic x86_64 option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and an
IA64 system. In addition, all kernel options are either directly in the
kernel, or modules
On 2009-02-06, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know
exactly what you are looking for, you are lost. And you can
never sure in which part they hid the information you are
looking for. Oh - and the navigation? A
On 2009-02-06, Saphirus Sage saphirus...@gmail.com wrote:
Which begs the question, why not use HTML? It can be read on
just about anything, searched and either split into chapters
or presented as a single page.
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
invented HTML, not
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-02-06, Saphirus Sage saphirus...@gmail.com wrote:
Which begs the question, why not use HTML? It can be read on
just about anything, searched and either split into chapters
or presented as a single page.
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim
On 2009-02-06, Saphirus Sage saphirus...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd wager to think that if we did use HTML, we'd simply argue
about the order of it's presentation or use of bold and
underlines.
And let's not forget blinkFlashing Text!/blink (shudder).
Oh no, it's 1999's geocities all
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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled to
use the generic x86_64 option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and an
IA64 system. In
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled
to use the generic x86_64 option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and
an IA64
Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com writes:
The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
invented HTML, not Richard M Stallman.
Info has been around a lot longer than HTML, but I think you're
largely correct.
There is entirely to much made of RMS. I don't know him personally
and just a
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
info?
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [05.02.09 09:12]:
Than I'll rephrase my statement: Gentoo would need a non-bugged GUI
installer ;)
No, Gentoo needs no GUI or CLI installer. It is very good, that if you
install Gentoo for the first time, you must actually read the
documentation,
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
info?
You appear to be taking a potshot, not really adding to the
discussion.
I know you are not incapable of installing emacs and we both know you
can read info
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a Windows Installer?
*SCNR*
Bye...
Dirk
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On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
info?
You appear to be taking a potshot, not really adding to the
discussion.
I know you are not incapable of
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes:
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a Windows Installer?
*SCNR*
Thirty five reboots and several hours
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes:
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a Windows Installer?
*SCNR*
Thirty
Harry Putnam wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes:
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a Windows Installer?
*SCNR*
Thirty five reboots and several hours
Sorry, can't resist
Roy Wright wrote:
Harry Putnam wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes:
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a Windows Installer?
*SCNR*
Thirty five reboots and several hours
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
info?
You appear to be taking a potshot, not really
* Dale (rdalek1...@gmail.com) [06.02.09 23:56]:
This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
your software is already
Sebastian Günther wrote:
* Dale (rdalek1...@gmail.com) [06.02.09 23:56]:
This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
On Samstag 07 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to
read info?
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in
peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do
with our privacy? :P [it's
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 7:07, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
Sebastián Magrà wrote:
The installation experience with the traditional method must be
mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is
deprecated...
That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in
peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do
with our privacy? :P [it's a joke, in case anyone didn't notice]
There have been
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in
peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Sebastián Magrí wrote:
The installation experience with the traditional method must be
mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is
deprecated...
That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's popularity
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Sebastián Magrí wrote:
The installation experience with the traditional method must be
mandatory... That's why I think we are better
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 9:11, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 7:07, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
Sebastián Magrà wrote:
The installation experience with the traditional method must be
mandatory... That's why I think we are better now
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:13:54 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in
a different manner to the way the thing will be used.
Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better.
There is an automated installer in
A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build
packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That
would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I
guess GCC was much faster in the 2.x versions back then?
How painful is it, really, to
Steven Lembark wrote:
A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build
packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That
would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I
guess GCC was much faster in the 2.x versions back then?
How
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Steven Lembark lemb...@wrkhors.com wrote:
How painful is it, really, to run the job when you
are asleep or away from the machine? Cron the update
or use at to get the changes you want when you are
away from the console.
Not painful, uncomfortable: When I get
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Sebastián Magrí wrote:
The installation experience with the traditional method must be
mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is
my style has always been to get the minimal installer. chroot, install
kernel to my specs then boot to hard drive, then start building it to
how i want it built.
the handbook is pretty specific and straight-forward. one just has to
follow it. i've done N installs over the years and i still
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a
different manner to the way the thing will be used.
Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better.
wrong. The
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a
different manner to the way the thing will be used.
Because installation
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
wrong. The installation needs a certain difficulty to keep idiots away.
Nobody needs idiots (except maybe ubuntu).
That is insulting. My mother uses Ubuntu. Thanks for calling her an idiot.
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:36:45 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Great thinking. Fortunately, there are people (like the Ubuntu folks)
who don't think that way and are trying to make Linux more popular to
people who need a computer to do tasks that are not related to the
computer itself.
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:22:35 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
How painful is it, really, to run the job when you
are asleep or away from the machine? Cron the update
or use at to get the changes you want when you are
away from the console.
Well, to answer you question, it is very
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a
different manner to the way the thing will be used.
Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better.
wrong. The installation needs a certain
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 02:26:40AM -0600, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a
different manner to the way the
Cocoy Dayao wrote:
my style has always been to get the minimal installer. chroot, install
kernel to my specs then boot to hard drive, then start building it to
how i want it built.
the handbook is pretty specific and straight-forward. one just has to
follow it. i've done N installs over the
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Saphirus Sage wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate
On 2009-02-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:13:54 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in
a different manner to the way the thing will be used.
Because installation is boring. The easier it
On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote:
The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent
users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not
to know.
Surely there are things you use without knowing how they work.
You probably use a phone, but do you _really_
On 2009-02-05, Steven Lembark lemb...@wrkhors.com wrote:
A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build
packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That
would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I
guess GCC was much faster in
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote:
The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent
users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not
to know.
Surely there are things you use without knowing how they
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:26:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
If you can spend a week installing Gentoo, it's not a problem.
If you need to have a machine up and running in an hour, it's a
problem. Building OOo on the last install I did took well over
30 hours.
The GRP packages were
Stroller wrote:
[...]
To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has
stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to
many of us who were around in 2004.
But AFAIK, it *was* faster because Gentoo used the egcs fork of GCC
which did produce faster
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
Stroller wrote:
[...]
To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has
stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to many
of us who were around in 2004.
But AFAIK, it
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Stroller wrote:
[...]
To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has
stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to
many of us who were around in 2004.
But AFAIK, it *was* faster
On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who don't
read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something does not
work. Idiots.
They should read the manual is *not* a valid design goal for a system.
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who
don't read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if
something does not work. Idiots.
They should
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs.
I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what
to do rather than go read docs somewhere else :P
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