On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:33:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
If I don't have £100 to spare, it's probably because I've already
spent it on shiny for me :)
You don't have an 'undred quid to buy shiny for your missus?
Well, I buy lady-shiny for her, but that's completely different.
And
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and anything else that kmod
On 2012-03-20 20:49, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
OK, I am not seeing mdev in the portage tree -- I would like to learn
more about this before I take the plunge. So where do I get it and does
it create the appropriate device nodes, etc?
mdev is part of sys-apps/busybox. See:
On Mar 21, 2012 2:52 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:11:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Why not connect that TV? ;)
Because the hardware to do so would cost around £100, USB sticks cost
rather less :P
The hardware is more shiny than the USB stick.
Go on, do it. You know you want to.
If I had £100 to
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:23:51 +
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:11:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Why not connect that TV? ;)
Because the hardware to do so would cost around £100, USB sticks
cost rather less :P
The hardware is more
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes:
Ok, so my system has 2 network cards. Maybe I only use one of them, or
maybe they need to be physically connected in a certain way (one to
LAN, the other WAN).
In this particular case, it is pity that it is not more deterministic in
the first
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:33:55 +
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
I also have a rule on a headless media server to run a script that
mounts a USB stick, copies files to it, unmounts it and lets me
know when it is done. I can mark files for copying at any time
and my wife can
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:27:02 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés
can...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan, the vast majority of Linux users
On March 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Android != Linux (in context of userspace)
To get a phone shipped with a running Linux (in the usual definition of
Linux, not Richard Stallman's) you need that Nokia one that will never
again see the light of day.
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 03:41:01 PM Michael Mol wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Snipped
Again, read about devfs. Tighly coupling is the path the developers
(in general) are taking. I agree with them.
I remember devfs. Never wound
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:59:30 PM Pandu Poluan wrote:
On Mar 14, 2012 10:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
wrote:
Or asked another way -
Why is LVM2 incapable od using mdev?
Alan has explained
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:13:46 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
Auto-starting programs when a device is added. Great, when are we
getting autostart support for CDs and USB-keys and under which
user-account will these be executed?
This is for running programs from the computer against the device,
On Friday, March 16, 2012 08:46:05 AM Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:13:46 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
Auto-starting programs when a device is added. Great, when are we
getting autostart support for CDs and USB-keys and under which
user-account will these be executed?
This
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:44:03 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
This is for running programs from the computer against the device, not
autorunning programs on the device - such as initialising USB
modems.
How long till autorunning programs becomes the next great thing on
the desktop for
On March 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Alan, the vast majority of Linux users right now are phone users.
At least, that's how I see it.
Again, think about phones. And tablets. And TVs. And
[insert-here-cool-gadgets-from-the-future].
Right now Linux
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Alan, the vast majority of Linux users right now are phone users.
At least, that's how I see it.
Again, think about phones.
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
[ huge snip ]
Each time, you've acted as though the new stance is what you've been
arguing from all along, but because you haven't communicated that,
it's impossible to reasonably discuss
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:43:54 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
udev is not a device node system, it is a device manager. Requiring
drivers to handle it gets us into the same mess as Windows, where each
driver has to implement the same functionality itself. If a new modem
is released with a
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
The new hardware will just work if there are the correct drivers
built in. That's as true of udev as it is of mdev as it is of the old
static
On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
will not solve the general problem, just a very specific subset of it.
Just as mdev is doing; Walt just posted an email explaining that if
you use GNOME, KDE,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
will not solve the general problem, just a very specific subset of it.
Just as
On Mar 14, 2012 10:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
wrote:
On 2012-03-13 8:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
You want it simple? Tha'ts fine, it is possible. It's just that it
will not solve
On Mar 14, 2012 10:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
8 snippage
Walter is, I believe, mistaken here. I can mount and use my LVM2
partitions. Gnome looks like it comes up OK, but that could be moot,
since right now I haven't got keyboard/mouse drivers under the X server.
This
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
The new hardware will just work if there are the correct drivers
built in.
On 13 March 2012, at 22:20, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
…
udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
device rules.
This is where I start getting unhappy. Is there any need for this
blurring?
On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
8 snip
That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with the name
wlan23, I want *every* time that dongle to have the wlan23 name .Good
luck doing that without a database.
That could -- should -- be handled
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
8 snip
That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with the name
wlan23, I want *every* time that dongle to have the wlan23 name
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Canek
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:07:32PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mar 15, 2012 1:22 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
8 snip
That if I connect a USB wi-fi dongle, and it appears with
On Mar 15, 2012 2:24 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
Here's a prototype script to ensure that certain NICs will always end up
the way you want it named:
#!/bin/sh
mac=$( cat /proc/net/arp | awk -V dev=$MDEV 'NR==1{next} $6==dev {print
$4}')
name=$(cat /etc/nic.conf | awk -V mac=$mac
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 15, 2012 1:22 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Mar 15, 2012 12:25 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
[ huge snip ]
Each time, you've acted as though the new stance is what you've been
arguing from all along, but because you haven't communicated that,
it's impossible to reasonably discuss specifics in practicality. I
think
Good evening, Stroller.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 05:56:34PM +, Stroller wrote:
On 13 March 2012, at 22:20, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
…
udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
device
On 2012-03-14 19:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
BIOS is going the way of the dodo too, but that's besides the point.
I'm actually quite happy with the Linux bluetooth stack (which, if I'm
not mistaken, is used by Android). I have several bluetooth thingies,
they all work great.
Sorry, but
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:04 PM
Huh? What's that to do with udev? You're talking at far too high a level
of
abstraction. The new hardware will just work if there are the correct
drivers built in. That's as true of udev as it is of mdev as
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:13 PM
BUT, in the same message, it is stated that Xorg *can* be compiled to *not*
try to communicate with udev.
I suspect a similar situation with Gnome.
IIRC, GNOME only needs udev for auto-mount support. gvfs
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:16:20PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
There's a difference between needed by portage and doesn't work under
mdev. As I say, it will all be moot if the evdev driver won't work
under mdev.
I don't have x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev installed and my desktops
work fine.
On 2012-03-14 20:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Actually, a Lego brick is a good analogy for mdev (in its current
state). It's a beautiful toy; but again, nobody has pointed out how to
make it work with bluetooth devices, for example. From Walt's mail
(his words, not mine):
You're completely
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 05:56:34PM +, Stroller wrote
I'm assuming, then, that you're happy opening a terminal and typing
`mkdir /mnt/diskname` and mounting the device every time you plug a
new disk in? Wouldn't it just be nice to plug in your USB devices -
hard-drives and flash drives -
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 +
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote:
On Monday 12 March 2012 12:21:17 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:34:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
My mother swears blind I watched England win the World Cup but I
don't remember (being only 1
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
Help would be appreciated.
Sorry, mdev is not for you, it looks like udev is a mandatory
dependancy for lvm2. I tried emerge -pv lvm2 and it came back with...
waltdnes@d530 ~ $ emerge -pv lvm2
These are the packages that would
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
Once you're back to your old setup, can you do me a favour? Please do
the following...
1) Add the line...
sys-fs/udev
to /etc/portage/package.mask.
2) Run the 2 commands
emerge -pv system system.txt
emerge -pv world
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
I can't remember it at all, even though I was 23 or so. (Aside: my
father used to say that football is a game, and games are what children
play.)
Yes, but that doesn't mean no one else plays them. That's the sort of
argument that
Hello, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:14:55AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
Sorry, mdev is not for you, it looks like udev is a mandatory
dependancy for lvm2. I tried emerge -pv lvm2 and it came back with...
waltdnes@d530 ~ $
Hi, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:24:32AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
Once you're back to your old setup, can you do me a favour? Please do
the following...
1) Add the line...
sys-fs/udev
to /etc/portage/package.mask.
On Tuesday 13 March 2012 11:01:29 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:41:15 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
I can't remember it at all, even though I was 23 or so. (Aside: my
father used to say that football is a game, and games are what
children play.)
Yes, but that doesn't mean no
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
I also did 2 {system,world}.err. system.err was empty. I've included
world.err in the enclosed tarball.
From your error listing, it looks like lvm2, kde, and gnome (including
the XFCE subset) require udev. Ouch.
--
Walter
Hello, Walter,
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
I also did 2 {system,world}.err. system.err was empty. I've included
world.err in the enclosed tarball.
From your error listing, it looks like
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Walter,
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote
I also did 2 {system,world}.err. system.err was empty. I've included
world.err in
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip
Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but
the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to become
maistream, the probability of it needing udev (directly or
indirectly) will increase.
Hello, Canek,
I thought you'd be replying to me here. :-)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:27:25PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Walter,
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13,
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip
Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but
the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks. For
example, mdev this morning recognised my USB stick being inserted, and
created /dev/sdc for it.
udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip
Fringe programs will not require
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13,
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks. For
example, mdev this morning recognised my USB stick being inserted, and
created
On March 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just what I was saying: I said (right there) the probability of it
needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I did not say it
would *need* udev for sure; just that the probability of it needing
udev would
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
But I really meant what functionality udev has that mdev lacks. For
example, mdev this
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just what I was saying: I said (right there) the probability of it
needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I did
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:20:19 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
device rules.
This is where I start getting unhappy. Is there any need for this
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:38:08PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:07:37 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
But I really
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:03:50PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:20:19 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
udev does a *lot* more than that, for example the persistent naming of
network interfaces. More significantly, it can run programs based on
device rules.
This is
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:38:08PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:33:30PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 13
On Mar 14, 2012 7:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
8 snippage
So, you need something to handle device files on /dev, so you don't
need every possible device file for every possible piece of hardware.
But then you want to handle the same device with the same device
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 05:09:12AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and anything else that kmod depends
on. Removing udev will avoid unnecessary cruft on your
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:34:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
My mother swears blind I watched England win the World Cup but I don't
remember (being only 1 year old at the time).
I fell asleep during it. To be fair I was nine and had just had an
overnight car journey returning from holiday.
--
On 2012-03-11 20:28, Walter Dnes wrote:
which blob to load. But, if I leave only the correct blob for my GPU in
the library folder (move/delete all the others), it loads properly
without any help from udev.
Why not compile the firmware into the kernel?
On 2012-03-11 15:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
As such, mdev is a good fit and we can add Walter to the long list of
people before him who selflessly worked to make our software work
better.
Very well put, Alan! +1
Thanks Walter!
Best regards
Peter K
On 2012-03-12 10:24, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
#!/bin/busybox ash
mount -t proc proc /proc
mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
exec /sbin/init
How do I know whether my /sbin/linuxrc actually ran? Maybe, I mean how
can I be sure my append = init=/sbin/linuxrc actually worked?
Well, you can always put
On Monday 12 March 2012 12:21:17 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:34:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
My mother swears blind I watched England win the World Cup but I
don't remember (being only 1 year old at the time).
I fell asleep during it. To be fair I was nine and had just
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and anything else that kmod depends
on. Removing udev will avoid unnecessary cruft on your machine.
B) Splitting up step 3) into 3a) and 3b) for greater
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and anything else that kmod depends
on. Removing udev will avoid unnecessary
On Mar 11, 2012 6:30 PM, Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:27:05 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional.
udev-181 and higher will be
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:27:05 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 07:27:05AM -0400, Daddy wrote
Having personally long considered Lennart Poettering a 'spawn of
the devil' my question is ... is this your reaction to systemd?
It's my reaction to the Windows-isation and Firefox-isation of
linux. So far I've managed to keep systemd
On March 11, 2012 at 10:17 AM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:27:05 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:09 AM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
wrote:
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The
On March 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 07:27:05AM -0400, Daddy wrote
Having personally long considered Lennart Poettering a 'spawn of
the devil' my question is ... is this your reaction to systemd?
It's my reaction to the
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
First, my class is old fart. Though I'm always in IRC, mailing lists and
forums are more my speed.
[snip]
Kindest regards,
Bruce Hill
Hi Bruce,
You are cordially invited to join the Gentoo Old Timers Club [1]
All
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
We have spare parts so tomorrow I'll build a test machine. My Gentoo
knowledge is quite limited, seeing as how we moved back after 9 years
and had to start life over. But I can start by following this guide,
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:10:14 -0400
David Abbott da...@pythontoo.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Daddy
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
First, my class is old fart. Though I'm always in IRC, mailing
lists and forums are more my speed.
[snip]
Kindest regards,
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:10:14 -0400
David Abbott da...@pythontoo.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Daddy
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
First, my class is old fart. Though I'm always in IRC, mailing
lists and forums are more my speed.
[snip]
Correcting a typo pointed out in the earlier post today.
This revision makes 2 changes...
A) The removal of udev is now standard instead of optional. udev-181
and higher will be pulling in kmod, and anything else that kmod depends
on. Removing udev will avoid unnecessary cruft on your
On March 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM David Abbott da...@pythontoo.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com
wrote:
First, my class is old fart. Though I'm always in IRC, mailing lists
and
forums are more my speed.
[snip]
Kindest regards,
Bruce Hill
On March 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
We have spare parts so tomorrow I'll build a test machine. My Gentoo
knowledge is quite limited, seeing as how we moved back
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT)
Daddy da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
We have spare parts so tomorrow
On March 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Bruce,
Aren't you a bit younger than me? If so, I'm a old fart too. ;-)
[/Bruce]
BTW folks, I have met Bruce, and family, in person and we have talked in
various ways for years. We live about 75 miles apart. My lady
Daddy wrote:
On March 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Bruce,
Aren't you a bit younger than me? If so, I'm a old fart too. ;-)
[/Bruce]
BTW folks, I have met Bruce, and family, in person and we have talked in
various ways for years. We live about 75 miles
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