Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Allan Gottlieb wrote: Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it? I hadn't thought so, but will try it. Hm... X/xDM is started from a virtual console (mine is usually started from VC-7, which is the default). That's where your login should happen, so everything started after that should inherit the environment variables. I would assume gnome DE (everything related to) uses the same tactic... but given the gnome developers ms-windows fanatiscism I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Best regards / MfG Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
At Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:16:30 +0100 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Allan Gottlieb wrote: Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it? I hadn't thought so, but will try it. Hm... X/xDM is started from a virtual console (mine is usually started from VC-7, which is the default). That's where your login should happen, so everything started after that should inherit the environment variables. I would assume gnome DE (everything related to) uses the same tactic... but given the gnome developers ms-windows fanatiscism I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Adding export $PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH to ~/.profile does seem to work so thank you. But I am surprised. X/xDM runs as root so wouldn't look in my .profile when *IT* starts. I had assumed (incorrectly) that I had to put the above export into one of the startup files mentioned in the man pages, but couldn't figure out which one. It is indeed much easier than I thought! thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On 12/15/2009 12:29 AM, daid kahl wrote: You can just set this up in ~/.xinitrc then. exec startxfce4 (that's actually startxfce)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
2009/12/13 Mike Mazur mma...@gmail.com: I ran across this issue last night. At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead, setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]: ewarn If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm, ewarn you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or ewarn any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the login session. ewarn You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system, ewarn or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells). ewarn Here's an example of setting it for the whole system: ewarn echo XSESSION=\Gnome\ /etc/env.d/90xsession ewarn env-update source /etc/profile So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION=Gnome (I use Gnome) did the trick. Thanks Mike, most helpful! What happens if you want to switch between different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage? Do you place them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ? -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
2009/12/13 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +, Mick wrote: The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here. The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use. Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user system. Thanks Neil, So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up? (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing this). -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 19:17, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/13 Mike Mazur mma...@gmail.com: I ran across this issue last night. At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead, setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]: ewarn If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm, ewarn you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or ewarn any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the login session. ewarn You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system, ewarn or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells). ewarn Here's an example of setting it for the whole system: ewarn echo XSESSION=\Gnome\ /etc/env.d/90xsession ewarn env-update source /etc/profile So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION=Gnome (I use Gnome) did the trick. Thanks Mike, most helpful! What happens if you want to switch between different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage? Do you place them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ? Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and I don't use a graphical login manager. Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +, Mick wrote: The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use. Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user system. So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up? (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing this). I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible. -- Neil Bothwick Why is it that when you transport something by car it's called shipment, but when you transport it by ship it's called cargo? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Hi! Thanks Mike, most helpful! What happens if you want to switch between different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage? Do you place them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ? Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and I don't use a graphical login manager. For example KDM (and GDM, i think) look for *.desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions. HTH Patrick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:22:42 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +, Mick wrote: The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use. Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user system. So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up? (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing this). I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible. I use gdm and do successfully get my WM set up. However, I would like to set (augment) PATH early so that, for example, the gnome panel has the path and hence all the launchers do. I know it is just one line in the shell export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH but I don't know what file to put it in. It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On Monday 14 December 2009 12:22:42 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +, Mick wrote: The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use. Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user system. So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up? (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing this). I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible. You're right, although xdm can be beautified if you have the time or inclination to look into /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources. When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing: $ echo $SESSION How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Allan Gottlieb wrote: I know it is just one line in the shell export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH but I don't know what file to put it in. It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb. For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash) or /etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives) For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect. HTH Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:55:35 +0100 pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: Allan Gottlieb wrote: I know it is just one line in the shell export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH but I don't know what file to put it in. It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb. For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash) or /etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives) For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect. HTH Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it? I hadn't thought so, but will try it. Thanks. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On 12/14/2009 3:50 PM, Mick wrote: When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing: $ echo $SESSION How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'? With baselayout-2, setting it in /etc/env.d is the correct method; if you want per-user sessions you can also set it in your local .bashrc file. Also, note: $XSESSION != $SESSION, just in case it's already set and you missed it. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On Monday 14 December 2009 22:45:54 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 12/14/2009 3:50 PM, Mick wrote: When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing: $ echo $SESSION How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'? With baselayout-2, setting it in /etc/env.d is the correct method; if you want per-user sessions you can also set it in your local .bashrc file. Also, note: $XSESSION != $SESSION, just in case it's already set and you missed it. Ooops sorry! Mistyped - should have been $XSESSION. Thanks. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
2009/12/14 Mike Mazur mma...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 19:17, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/13 Mike Mazur mma...@gmail.com: I ran across this issue last night. At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead, setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]: ewarn If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm, ewarn you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or ewarn any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the login session. ewarn You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system, ewarn or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells). ewarn Here's an example of setting it for the whole system: ewarn echo XSESSION=\Gnome\ /etc/env.d/90xsession ewarn env-update source /etc/profile So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION=Gnome (I use Gnome) did the trick. Thanks Mike, most helpful! What happens if you want to switch between different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage? Do you place them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ? Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and I don't use a graphical login manager. Mike This post might go without saying... You can just set this up in ~/.xinitrc then. exec startxfce4 or whatever... Regards, daid
[gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Hi All, I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking that this is what killed my X GUI. However, it seems that the problem is most likely related to rc.conf. Has this file been done away with as far as Gentoo is concerned? I say this because I discovered that running dispatch.conf after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf with an empty file. Mind you, even if the file contains the previous information about XSESSION xdm or slim do not seem to use it now. If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM? I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different WMs. Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2 and that's how I can get fluxbox to come up. What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session? PS. Is there a clever way of killing slim? It seems that /etc/init.d/xdm stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts. I need to manually run kill -9 to make it give up. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Mick wrote: Hi All, I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking that this is what killed my X GUI. However, it seems that the problem is most likely related to rc.conf. Has this file been done away with as far as Gentoo is concerned? I say this because I discovered that running dispatch.conf after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf with an empty file. Mind you, even if the file contains the previous information about XSESSION xdm or slim do not seem to use it now. If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM? I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different WMs. Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2 and that's how I can get fluxbox to come up. What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session? PS. Is there a clever way of killing slim? It seems that /etc/init.d/xdm stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts. I need to manually run kill -9 to make it give up. Well, I'm a KDE guy myself so this may just be completely wrong here. I put my X stuff in /etc/conf.d/xdm and it tells what I am using for my GUI. Again, I don't have Fluxbox and I understand it works differently so this may be as far off as Pluto. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On Sunday 13 December 2009 20:22:03 Dale wrote: Mick wrote: Hi All, I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking that this is what killed my X GUI. However, it seems that the problem is most likely related to rc.conf. Has this file been done away with as far as Gentoo is concerned? I say this because I discovered that running dispatch.conf after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf with an empty file. Mind you, even if the file contains the previous information about XSESSION xdm or slim do not seem to use it now. If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM? I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different WMs. Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2 and that's how I can get fluxbox to come up. What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session? PS. Is there a clever way of killing slim? It seems that /etc/init.d/xdm stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts. I need to manually run kill -9 to make it give up. Well, I'm a KDE guy myself so this may just be completely wrong here. I put my X stuff in /etc/conf.d/xdm and it tells what I am using for my GUI. Again, I don't have Fluxbox and I understand it works differently so this may be as far off as Pluto. Thanks Dale, The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Hi, I ran across this issue last night. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:30, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM? The scripts in /etc/X11/Sessions/ can still be used. I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different WMs. At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead, setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]: ewarn If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm, ewarn you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or ewarn any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the login session. ewarn You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system, ewarn or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells). ewarn Here's an example of setting it for the whole system: ewarn echo XSESSION=\Gnome\ /etc/env.d/90xsession ewarn env-update source /etc/profile So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION=Gnome (I use Gnome) did the trick. Hope that helps, Mike [1] http://gentoo-portage.com/AJAX/Ebuild/100485/View
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
Mick wrote: Thanks Dale, The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here. I was thinking Fluxbox used a different method but thought it worth mentioning since looking wouldn't hurt. I see someone else posted something so maybe that will help. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +, Mick wrote: The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here. The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use. Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user system. -- Neil Bothwick DOS never says EXCELLENT command or filename... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
