The 25/03/14, J. Roeleveld wrote:
It has already been determined that on this list we do not want extra CCs,
I think you have determined this on your side (I'm not doing a personal
attack, you is not you alone).
Please respect that and don't reopen this discussion.
Please don't tell us what
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 25/03/14, J. Roeleveld wrote:
It has already been determined that on this list we do not want extra CCs,
I think you have determined this on your side (I'm not doing a personal
attack, you is not you alone).
The 21/03/14, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to
change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead of
you changing what you do to fix the problem?
The 21/03/14, Dale wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After
that, you don't exist to them.
Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond
On Tue, March 25, 2014 16:35, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 21/03/14, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:10:49 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
So let's get this straight. You want most everyone on this list to
change what they have to do to remove dups caused by you, instead
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
rational.
In that case, Gentoo is missing a lot of good
On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
rational.
In that case,
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:25:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults
On 26/03/2014 01:34, »Q« wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:25:26 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/03/2014 22:08, »Q« wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
rational.
ISTM the only good reason is that not having a default would make the
documentation a lot more complicated.
Documentation,
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote:
Why should Gentoo have a default?
Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and
rational.
Depends on how you think about it; one could
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:07:17 +0100
Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
I don't know the code, sorry. Since I've already tried the
'eselect init' command, I'm pretty sure it doesn't install anything.
While you might be able to code it to do such thing, it probably
shouldn't; it's a tool
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:15:32 +0100
Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 02:27:11 +0600
Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:00:27 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote:
OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will
be.
The 26/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Sabayon uses binary packages, isn't?
Yes.
Then eselect perhaps uninstalls
some packages and installs others?
I don't know the code, sorry. Since I've already tried the
'eselect init' command, I'm pretty sure it
Am 21.02.2014 23:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
And now with 209 there is a new systemd-networkd deamon that is started
by default even if not configured or used.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTYxMTI
$ ./configure --help | grep networkd
--disable-networkd
The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may
just
be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using
eselect...
Something like:
# eselect init list
Available init systems:
[1] OpenRC *
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 20/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Thinking about this more, since apparently using a separate profile may
just
be 'overkill', how about something simpler, like, for example, using
eselect...
On 21/02/2014 09:03, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
Your idea instantly fails as the rc-service author has no idea of what
you defined ${SERVICE} to be and no way to determine what it is now.
Yes, the rc-service author does not have any idea because he is not
requested to.
${SERVICE} obviously
21.02.2014 12:48, Alan McKinnon пишет:
On 21/02/2014 09:03, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
Your idea instantly fails as the rc-service author has no idea of what
you defined ${SERVICE} to be and no way to determine what it is now.
Yes, the rc-service author does not have any idea because he is not
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company.
Good god, is that the best you can do?
What is your aversion to 'profit', anyway? You do realize
On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux company.
Good god, is that the best you can do?
What is your
On 2014-02-21 8:34 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF, however,
he worked for Novell, another for-profit Linux
On 2014-02-20 7:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
By striking the weakest part of the stack (sysv probably*did*
need a good replacement, but not one as ambitious as systemd) and
digging down into the kernel level (kdbus), Red Hat devs will now have a
very influential role in the
On 02/21/2014 07:43 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:34 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/21/2014 07:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-20 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
Indeed, Greg doesn't work for Red Hat. Prior to working for LF,
however,
he worked
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
different wavelengths.
I didn't say that. I said that *everyone* operates under the profit motive.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
different wavelengths.
I didn't say that. I said that *everyone* operates under the
On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
If you think all profit is the same, then we are talking on two
different wavelengths.
I
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:02:31 -0500
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
As long as OpenRC is the default init system in Gentoo, it is on
those who want something *other* than OpenRC (ie, systemd) to do the
work of implementing it.
It's the job of whoever wants any init system to work to
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On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500 Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us
wrote:
If you think all profit is the
On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding the
homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things is, the
'profit' involved (may) only involve(s) a 'warm fuzzy good
feeling'.
If you read my previous words, I
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On 2014-02-21 11:23 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Even someone who volunteers in the local soup kitchen feeding
the homeless is doing so under the profit motive. The things
is, the 'profit' involved (may) only involve(s) a
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common thing in
this world. It can even be intentional, causing no emotional,
financial, social or intellectual profit. Maybe you have never met
such a person or have never been in
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Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
emotional, financial, social or intellectual profit.
On 2014-02-21 2:35 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Tanstaafl:
On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be intentional, causing no
emotional, financial, social or
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
(When I say I'm done, I mean it; I'm making an exception to explain
a mistake you made).
Firstly, you don't control whether or not I send an e-mail.
No, I don't; I never said that. This is a public non-moderated mailing
On 21.02.2014 08:42, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than
nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so?
Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to bear...
And now with 209 there is a new systemd-networkd deamon that is started
by
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
been written off as
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:56:31 -0500
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 10:28 AM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:47 -0500
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-21 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
If you
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:35:39 +
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
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On 2014-02-21 12:17 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then you ignore self-destructive behaviour which is a common
thing in this world. It can even be
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sebastian Beßler
sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
On 21.02.2014 08:42, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than
nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so?
Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to
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Even self-destructive behavior is in the vast majority of
cases engaged in with the *intention* of profit. Best example I
can think of would be a drug addict/alcoholic. When they
use/drink, they 'profit' in that the feel better (albeit
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
(see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
check also with the journal, as I showed up.
I believe it would be a 5-minutes job to add the capability of
20.02.2014 15:33, Nicolas Sebrecht пишет:
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
(see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
check also with the journal, as I showed up.
I believe it would be a
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the service
using syslog, hence a defined log
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish methodology.
I certainly share
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through
On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
On 02/20/2014 08:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On
20.02.2014 19:24, Alan McKinnon пишет:
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
been written off as conspiracy theorists or FUDders. Time will reveal all.
Indeed time reveals
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
BTW, respect for your patience in this thread!
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be
On Tue, Feb 18 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 07:22:17 +0200
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote:
How long has it been since Debian decided to go with systemd? Like,
three? So, up until three days ago I would have disagreed since
despite original upstream ditching ConsoleKit, it was still being
maintained by
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:34:34 -0600, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us
wrote:
Why didn't they consider runit? It has parallel execution of daemons
and is backwards compatible with sysv. It has a few other
mini-features as well, iirc. I used for a little while before Arch
pushed systemd on their
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish methodology.
I certainly share your hostility towards M$ for
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:09 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
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