Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-21 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:25 PM, J. wrote: > They say it's not a GNOME thing only, but born in the GNOME project, > Quote from their FAQ: > > "Is Flatpak tied to GNOME? > > No. While Flatpak has been developed by people with a long involvement > in the GNOME community it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-21 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:40 PM, José Maldonado wrote: > El 16/06/16 a las 13:32, Tom H escribió: >> >> When I first saw this, I thought "strange, maybe if Gentoo develops an >> 'esnap' in order to build the container-package locally" but then I >> remembered that we have

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-19 Thread James
Andreas K. Huettel gentoo.org> writes: > > Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages? Why not Flatpak? > Gentoo support for Snap is roughly as "official" as RedHat/Fedora support. Still, if gentoo images can be customized at one's favorite cloud service provider, it may serve as a way to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-18 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 16 Jun 2016 21:25:01 J. García wrote: > > How does Nix compare to flatpack, docker, snap, et al. from a gentoo > perspective? > Nix is a similar sort of approach. I don't think they run apps in containers

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-18 Thread Mick
On Thursday 16 Jun 2016 21:25:01 J. García wrote: > El jue, 16-06-2016 a las 19:40 -0400, José Maldonado escribió: > > That is possible, but the goal is to serve Snap container for > > applications that can be downloaded and used by the user, down a > > single > > binary that will have all the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:35:24 -0400 waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: >> I don't follow this stuff, so this may be a stupid question... how >> does a "container" or "docker" differ from a chroot or a QEMU VM with a >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
oh yeah, forgot the catchy name. Mea culpa. 2016-06-17 10:52 GMT+02:00 Neil Bothwick : > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:28:10 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > soo... why not compile everything statically in the first place? and > > put it in HOME? > > Because that's not new

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:28:10 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > soo... why not compile everything statically in the first place? and > put it in HOME? Because that's not new and shiny with a catchy name! -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #02: Multitasking attempted. System confused.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
soo... why not compile everything statically in the first place? and put it in HOME? 2016-06-17 9:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Savchenko : > On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:30:49 -0400 José Maldonado wrote: > > > > > > El 16/06/16 a las 11:27, James escribió: > > > One word SECURITY? Trust

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:30:49 -0400 José Maldonado wrote: > > > El 16/06/16 a las 11:27, James escribió: > > One word SECURITY? Trust but verify does come to mind. > > > > The snaps come to "replace" a lack of security that is in Linux, in > addition to facilitating the installation of all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:35:24 -0400 waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 04:33:12PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan McKinnon > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't see the part where all these latest fancy container

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread J.
El jue, 16-06-2016 a las 19:40 -0400, José Maldonado escribió: > That is possible, but the goal is to serve Snap container for > applications that can be downloaded and used by the user, down a > single > binary that will have all the dependencies in that binary. Docker and > LXC obviously can do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread waltdnes
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 04:33:12PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > > > I don't see the part where all these latest fancy container thingymagicies > > are not really just "embed everything in everything" > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 17/06/2016 02:02, José Maldonado wrote: El 16/06/16 a las 16:33, Rich Freeman escribió: FWIW - the subject of this thread suggests that this is some kind of "official" Gentoo thing. As far as I can tell somebody took it upon themselves to make this available for Gentoo, but it is not in any

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread José Maldonado
El 16/06/16 a las 16:33, Rich Freeman escribió: > FWIW - the subject of this thread suggests that this is some kind of > "official" Gentoo thing. As far as I can tell somebody took it upon > themselves to make this available for Gentoo, but it is not in any way > endorsed by the distro. Of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread José Maldonado
El 16/06/16 a las 13:32, Tom H escribió: > > When I first saw this, I thought "strange, maybe if Gentoo develops an > 'esnap' in order to build the container-package locally" but then I > remembered that we have docker and lxc/lxd, so why not another method? > That is possible, but the goal

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread José Maldonado
El 16/06/16 a las 11:27, James escribió: > One word SECURITY? Trust but verify does come to mind. > The snaps come to "replace" a lack of security that is in Linux, in addition to facilitating the installation of all applications from the user-space without root privileges. > > Is their a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread José Maldonado
El 16/06/16 a las 12:36, Mick escribió: > > Keylogger in a snap anyone? > It is possible, who knows. Especially when the server-side is proprietary . -- Dios en su cielo, todo bien en la Tierra

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > I don't see the part where all these latest fancy container thingymagicies > are not really just "embed everything in everything" > > We've known for years the dangers of embedding stuff in packages (it hardly >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/06/2016 21:11, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:27:29 + (UTC) James wrote: José Maldonado gmail.com> writes: The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:27:29 + (UTC) James wrote: > José Maldonado gmail.com> writes: > > > > The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new: > > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/goodbye-apt-and-yum-ubuntus-snap-apps-are-coming-to-distros-everywhere/ > > > > "Snaps

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Dale
James wrote: > José Maldonado gmail.com> writes: > > >> The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new: > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/goodbye-apt-and-yum-ubuntus-snap-apps-are-coming-to-distros-everywhere/ >> "Snaps now work natively on Arch, Debian, Fedora, Kubuntu,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:53 PM, José Maldonado wrote: > > The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new: > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/goodbye-apt-and-yum-ubuntus-snap-apps-are-coming-to-distros-everywhere/ > > "Snaps now work natively on Arch,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread Mick
On Thursday 16 Jun 2016 15:27:29 James wrote: > José Maldonado gmail.com> writes: > > The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new: > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/goodbye-apt-and-yum-ub > untus-snap-apps-are-coming-to-distros-everywhere/ > > "Snaps now work natively on

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?

2016-06-16 Thread James
José Maldonado gmail.com> writes: > The last days, ArsTechnica publish this new: > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/goodbye-apt-and-yum-ubuntus-snap-apps-are-coming-to-distros-everywhere/ > > "Snaps now work natively on Arch, Debian, Fedora, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, > Ubuntu