Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-18 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 17.03.2010 22:00, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:44:34 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Just for clarification: Is it really necessary to unplug the broken disk for this to work? If read access fails on sda and the BIOS tries sdb, would this also work? Isn't grub's hd0 always

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-17 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 09:37 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: There was talk of opensolaris going by the wayside with the Oracle takeover of Sun... but Oracle has since announced its intention of puttin even more resources into `opensolaris' development than Sun was doing. that will kill it for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-17 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.03.2010 22:26, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:13:29 +, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? You put GRUB on both disks, then you can boot from either on its own. Is this reliable? I don't contest it, I'm just asking.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:44:34 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Just for clarification: Is it really necessary to unplug the broken disk for this to work? If read access fails on sda and the BIOS tries sdb, would this also work? Isn't grub's hd0 always the disk on which grub resides (e.g. the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Steve
On 15/03/2010 22:29, Andrea Conti wrote: This IMHO pretty much rules out any kind of server-class hardware, which tends to be both costly and power-hungry. If you're thinking about buying used stuff, be sure to factor in the cost and difficulty of finding spares in some years' time. I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Stroller
On 16 Mar 2010, at 16:32, Steve wrote: ... Given the point above I would also stick with software RAID. ... If reliability is your primary concern, I would go for a simple RAID1 setup; Absolutely. Software raid is cheaper and implies less hardware to fail. Similarly, RAID1 minimises the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:57:49 +, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? You put GRUB on both disks, then you can boot from either on its own. -- Neil Bothwick Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional!! signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Stroller
On 16 Mar 2010, at 20:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:57:49 +, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? You put GRUB on both disks, then you can boot from either on its own. Is this reliable? I don't contest it, I'm just asking.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 16 March 2010 21:13:29 Stroller wrote: On 16 Mar 2010, at 20:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:57:49 +, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? You put GRUB on both disks, then you can boot from either on its own. Is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Steve
On 16/03/2010 19:57, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? The one you have grub on? I think you mentioned a flash drive, which I've seen mentioned before. This seems sound, but just to point out that's another, different, single point of failure. Well,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:13:29 +, Stroller wrote: How does your system boot if your RAID1 system volume fails? You put GRUB on both disks, then you can boot from either on its own. Is this reliable? I don't contest it, I'm just asking. It's just this was one of my

[gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Harry Putnam
Steve gentoo_...@shic.co.uk writes: I have recently started looking at server resilience and availability in the context of a hardware failure or hardware upgrade. I've come to the conclusion that it would be very desirable if terrabyte-scale data did not need to be restored from backup.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Kyle Bader
+1 on zfs w/ solaris for storage, just don't go cheap and get desktop disks. -- Kyle

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Steve
On 15/03/2010 15:49, Kyle Bader wrote: +1 on zfs w/ solaris for storage, just don't go cheap and get desktop disks. I have to admit, I do like the idea of ZFS, though not quite enough to justify maintaining Solaris in addition to my other infrastructure. I was thinking about something rather

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Stroller
On 15 Mar 2010, at 16:26, Steve wrote: ... From ages ago, I remember iSCSI being bandied about. Did that ever go anywhere (i.e. is this easy to do from Gentoo?) I believe it is quite widely used - it is mentioned often on the linux- poweredge list. I would imagine the Linux kernel allows

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Steve
On 15/03/2010 18:21, Stroller wrote: It's hard to be more specific without knowing your usage. Yes... I was deliberately vague to see what options came up... but I can be more specific. The budget is miniscule - and the performance demands (bandwidth and latency) are completely non-challenging.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strategy for using SAN/NAS for storage with Gentoo...

2010-03-15 Thread Andrea Conti
Hi, The budget is miniscule - and the performance demands (bandwidth and latency) are completely non-challenging. This IMHO pretty much rules out any kind of server-class hardware, which tends to be both costly and power-hungry. If you're thinking about buying used stuff, be sure to factor in