Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 21/11/2022 18:15, Laurence Perkins wrote: Separate displays is useful for multi-headed systems. I know a couple people who buy one, high-power desktop for the whole family and then attach multiple screens and input devices. If you want to do that, but your GPU can't handle multiple X

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

Am Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 07:37:01PM - schrieb Grant Edwards: > >> My office setup had three screens, each with four virtual desktops. > >> > >> When using multiple screens, you develop the habit of using one screen > >> for common, always-on stuff (e.g. email, web browser) and the other > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 10:50 AM Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2022-11-21, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I don't personally remember NVidia ever dropping a card totally > > but I did get confused for awhile when they started segmenting their > > drivers by different families and it was up to me to

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 November 2022 18:12:41 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: >> >>> You're right, I thought you meant two different monitors in Xinerama >>> style. I didn't know anyone who still uses separate displays >>> (screens) these days. >> >> I found it very helpful when

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Monday, 21 November 2022 18:12:41 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:50:14 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > >> > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:11:13 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > >> >> I did have to give up

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

> -Original Message- > From: Michael > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 9:24 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version > > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:50:14 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > > On

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:50:14 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: >> > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:11:13 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: >> > >> >> I did have to give up the option of having multiple X11 >> >> screens. The proprietary

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-21, Mark Knecht wrote: > I don't personally remember NVidia ever dropping a card totally > but I did get confused for awhile when they started segmenting their > drivers by different families and it was up to me to figure out which > driver package handled my card. IIRC, towards the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:50:14 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:11:13 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I did have to give up the option of having multiple X11 > >> screens. The proprietary NVidia driver supported multiple screens, > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 9:11 AM Grant Edwards wrote: > > They always worked great using the NVidia blob drivers, but > using NVidia drivers was a constant source of minor pain. Often kernel > updates had to be postponed until NVidia driver support caught up, and > they too dropped support and

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-21, Michael wrote: > On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:11:13 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I did have to give up the option of having multiple X11 >> screens. The proprietary NVidia driver supported multiple screens, >> but the drivers for built-in Intel and Radeon drivers don't seem >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Monday, 21 November 2022 16:11:13 GMT Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2022-11-21, Dale wrote: > > I did re-emerge the nvidia drivers for the old kernel. [...] > > > > If I get bored, and it warms up a little, I may build a 5.19 kernel. > > Thing is, by the time I get around to rebooting, nvidia

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-21, Dale wrote: > I did re-emerge the nvidia drivers for the old kernel. [...] > > If I get bored, and it warms up a little, I may build a 5.19 kernel.  > Thing is, by the time I get around to rebooting, nvidia may have updated > and the new one I already got will work.  :/ About 15

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

> That may be true. I used to not mind rebooting as much but since I started > having to use the init thingy, I only do it when really necessary. Those > init thingys have left a long term bad taste in my mouth. If I could, I'd > likely never reboot. Thing is, sometimes I have a power

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 2022-11-14, Michael wrote: > Shutting down your desktop applications and rebooting with a new > kernel takes no longer than a couple of minutes. On my systems it typically takes about 15-20 seconds. I try to reboot at least once a month when I have some spare time -- just to make sure I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

Michael wrote: > On Monday, 14 November 2022 21:05:57 GMT Dale wrote: > >> Thing is, I may go a year, sometimes more, without updating the kernel. >> If I rebooted often, I could see using a LTS kernel. If a kernel can >> run for months with no problems, it's stable enough for me. Plus my >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 14/11/2022 21:44, Michael wrote: Shutting down your desktop applications and rebooting with a new kernel takes no longer than a couple of minutes. I mean even busy bank customer web portals have planned downtime. There's a lot more to it than that ... The reason I don't run new kernels

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Monday, 14 November 2022 21:05:57 GMT Dale wrote: > Thing is, I may go a year, sometimes more, without updating the kernel. > If I rebooted often, I could see using a LTS kernel. If a kernel can > run for months with no problems, it's stable enough for me. Plus my > hardware works. Keeping

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 2:06 PM Dale wrote: > > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 12/11/2022 23:37, Dale wrote: > >> Usually, I try to update about once a year. I don't change hardware > >> much. > > > > The main reason I suggested LTS is because that, *when* you decide to > > do a @world update,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 12/11/2022 23:37, Dale wrote: >> Usually, I try to update about once a year.  I don't change hardware >> much. > > The main reason I suggested LTS is because that, *when* you decide to > do a @world update, you will get the latest LTS of the same main > version you're

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 12/11/2022 23:37, Dale wrote: Usually, I try to update about once a year.  I don't change hardware much. The main reason I suggested LTS is because that, *when* you decide to do a @world update, you will get the latest LTS of the same main version you're already using. For example you'll

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol > wrote: > > > > On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote: > > > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels?  Since I reboot so > > > rarely, what not use one of them??  Of course, the kernel I have > in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 2:13 PM Wol wrote: > > The idea behind stable kernels is great. The implementation leaves a lot > to be desired and, as always, the reason is not enough manpower. > Two things: first, LTS kernels aren't the same as stable kernels. Dale has been running stable kernels, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol wrote: > > On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote: > > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels? Since I reboot so > > rarely, what not use one of them?? Of course, the kernel I have in use > > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway. >

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 12/11/2022 21:13, Wol wrote: On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote: Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels?  Since I reboot so rarely, what not use one of them??  Of course, the kernel I have in use now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway. Do you REALLY want an LTS

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote: Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels?  Since I reboot so rarely, what not use one of them??  Of course, the kernel I have in use now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway. Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don't.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

> Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels? Since I reboot so > rarely, what not use one of them?? Of course, the kernel I have in use > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway. ;-) > > Dale > > :-) :-) https://www.kernel.org/

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 11/11/2022 08:25, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I been stuck on gentoo-sources 5.14.15 for a while.  I tried upgrading >> to I think 5.16 and then more recently 5.18. > If you've been using 5.14 until now, it would appear to me you're the > target audience of the LTS

[gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version

On 11/11/2022 08:25, Dale wrote: Howdy, I been stuck on gentoo-sources 5.14.15 for a while.  I tried upgrading to I think 5.16 and then more recently 5.18. If you've been using 5.14 until now, it would appear to me you're the target audience of the LTS kernels. 5.15 is the latest LTS kernel.