Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On 25/09/18 15:28, gevisz wrote: > вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 10:12, J. Roeleveld : >> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23:53 AM CEST gevisz wrote: >>> вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld : On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz wrote: > пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: >>> I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) >>> that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo >>> since spring 2017, which suggested there had been some >>> decline in kernel quality. >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, > it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same > decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than > gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :) That is interesting. I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65. Where does the shutdown hang? >>> Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not >>> remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now" >>> command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power >>> at the end of the shutdown process. >> I did have this with older kernels. Think it's caused by missing ACPI >> options. > My previous kernel was 4.9.95 and the system shut down ok with it. > Then I configured 4.14.52 using make oldconfig and the old .config > from 4.9.95 kernel. And, after the usual compilation and installation > of the new kernel, the system could not shut down. > > To not clutter this mailing list, I will send the both kernel configutations > only to your e-mail adress now. > I am suffering same thing/symptoms. It will often (but not always) power off on a straight shutdown, but rarely if ever on hibernate. Been happening since a late 4.14 and and still happening on 4.18.8. Race condition? Everything shuts down and the screen shows "[timestamp] Reboot: Power down" - I have to hold down the power button for 10-15 seconds to remove power. Its annoying! BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 10:12, J. Roeleveld : > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23:53 AM CEST gevisz wrote: > > вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld : > > > On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz wrote: > > > >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : > > > >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > > > >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > > > >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo > > > >> > since spring 2017, which suggested there had been some > > > >> > decline in kernel quality. > > > >> > > > >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > > > > > > > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, > > > >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same > > > >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than > > > >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :) > > > > > > That is interesting. > > > I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65. > > > > > > Where does the shutdown hang? > > > > Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not > > remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now" > > command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power > > at the end of the shutdown process. > > I did have this with older kernels. Think it's caused by missing ACPI options. My previous kernel was 4.9.95 and the system shut down ok with it. Then I configured 4.14.52 using make oldconfig and the old .config from 4.9.95 kernel. And, after the usual compilation and installation of the new kernel, the system could not shut down. To not clutter this mailing list, I will send the both kernel configutations only to your e-mail adress now.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23:53 AM CEST gevisz wrote: > вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld : > > On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz wrote: > > >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : > > >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > > >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > > >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring > > > > > >2017, > > > > > >> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. > > >> > > >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > > > > > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, > > >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same > > >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than > > >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :) > > > > That is interesting. > > I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65. > > > > Where does the shutdown hang? > > Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not > remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now" > command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power > at the end of the shutdown process. I did have this with older kernels. Think it's caused by missing ACPI options. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld : > > On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz wrote: > >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : > >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring > >2017, > >> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. > >> > >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > > > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, > >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same > >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than > >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :) > > That is interesting. > I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65. > > Where does the shutdown hang? Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now" command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power at the end of the shutdown process.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz wrote: >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring >2017, >> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. >> >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :) That is interesting. I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65. Where does the shutdown hang? -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld : > On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, > > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. > > Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig, it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:59:02 PM CEST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:42 AM Philip Webb wrote: > > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. > > ++ Nobody owns Linus. Except maybe his wife ;) > By now the kernel should be at a point where > others can manage the workflow if he isn't around. I would assume so.
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote: > 180924 Alan Grimes wrote: > > Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ > > I read the texts via LWN. Linus has been the sergeant-major > who has to yell at the troops sometimes, when they get sloppy. > He's a brilliant software engineer & generally knows how to herd cats. > > The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday > which clashed with an important Linux conference > & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent. Which are you referring to? -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On 2018.09.24 08:59, Rich Freeman wrote: ++ Nobody owns Linus. Ain't that the truth, even if it is a typo. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:42 AM Philip Webb wrote: > > The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday > which clashed with an important Linux conference > & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. I can't imagine that it helped when they moved the conference to where he was going to be. If somebody had booked flights months ago to get lower rates, had hotels reserved, and so on, then that is a lot of rebooking, change fees, and so on, and chances are the accommodations aren't the same as what you'd have gotten with planning ahead. > He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone > if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. ++ Nobody owns Linus. By now the kernel should be at a point where others can manage the workflow if he isn't around. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
180924 Alan Grimes wrote: > Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ I read the texts via LWN. Linus has been the sergeant-major who has to yell at the troops sometimes, when they get sloppy. He's a brilliant software engineer & generally knows how to herd cats. The problem seems to have arisen when he arranged a family holiday which clashed with an important Linux conference & irritated a lot of important people in the corporate Linux world. He's 48 yo & beginning to age a bit & it's no threat to anyone if he's decided to take a break for a few kernel cycles. I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018) that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017, which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality. As for New Yorker + their drama queen Ms Theythem, they're simply trying to cash in on the incident to promote themselves. The rest of us should concentrate on the real world + its many problems. My CAD 0,02 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
> Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. What do you think will be the outcome in this case? What will die and what be the indicator of death? > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA > > https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ > > https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ > > > > -- > Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com > > Powers are not rights. > > >
[gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!
Whatever SJWs touch, DIES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5VvJiNUCIA https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/ -- Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com Powers are not rights.
