Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-17 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/17/19 3:02 AM, Wols Lists wrote: Did you run VANILLA 2.4? (None of the distro kernels carried those particular changes, for obvious reasons :-) Yes. I would download source form kernel.org and compile it manually. You're making the classic logical mistake of "it's not true for me

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-17 Thread Mick
On Monday, 17 June 2019 04:37:13 BST Grant Taylor wrote: > My opinion is that the 2 x RAM no longer applies because systems don't > utilize swap space. As such it's a waste of disk space to dedicate 2 x > RAM to swap. I've also noticed usage of swap has become much more efficient over the years,

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-17 Thread Wols Lists
On 17/06/19 04:37, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 6/16/19 7:02 PM, Wols Lists wrote: >> So you didn't read what I wrote ... Par for the course :-( > > I did. I still hear people say it today. It's not old as in past tense. > >> The basic Unix mechanism needs twice ram. > > I disagree. > >> It's

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-17 Thread François-Xavier CARTON
On 6/17/19 5:37 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: I doubt it. I've routinely done emerges on machines with < 16 GB of memory and 2 GB of swap.?? Including llvm, clang, gcc, rust, Firefox and Thunderbird. I routinely do an emerge -DuNe @world on a VPS with 1 GB of memory and 1 GB of swap.?? It works

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/16/19 8:37 PM, Manuel McLure wrote: For example, per IBM for AIX (https://developer.ibm.com/articles/au-aix7memoryoptimize3/): "A more sensible rule is to configure the paging space to be half the size of RAM plus 4GB with an upper limit of 32GB. In systems with more than 32GB of RAM,

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/16/19 7:02 PM, Wols Lists wrote: So you didn't read what I wrote ... Par for the course :-( I did. I still hear people say it today. It's not old as in past tense. The basic Unix mechanism needs twice ram. I disagree. It's inherent in the design of the thing. Whether linux no

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Manuel McLure
On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 6:02 PM Wols Lists wrote: > And those people who wrote your guidelines? Are they the same clueless > people who believe the twice ram rule is pure fiction? (As I said, it is > *historical* *fact*). And why should I believe people who tell me the > rule no longer applies,

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Wols Lists
On 17/06/19 00:29, Grant Taylor wrote: >> Drives are cheap. The old "swap is twice ram" rule actually isn't an >> old wife's tale - the basic Unix swap mechanism NEEDS twice ram. > > No, it doesn't. Not any more. It hasn't for quite a while. So you didn't read what I wrote ... Par for the

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/16/19 1:14 PM, Wols Lists wrote: I'd have a single /home partition I was thinking of the other OS as more of a live distro copied to the system than anything else. I wasn't thinking that the OP wanted to actively use the alternate distro frequently. As such, I figure that most

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:00:12 BST Grant Taylor wrote: > On 6/15/19 7:04 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: --->8 > > My question is: how much of the bootctl-installed image is essential > > for booting? In other words, if I install the ~amd64 kernel (5.1.9), > > what effect will that have on booting the

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Wols Lists
On 16/06/19 18:00, Grant Taylor wrote: > I don't know if it's better or not, but here's what I'd do. > > · I'd put each OS on it's own drive (if at all possible). > · I'd have a separate /boot and / (root) for each OS. > · I'd configure UEFI boot menu entries for each OS. > > That way, the

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/15/19 7:04 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, Hi, The main system on this box is ~amd64 plasma, but I also have a small rescue system which is amd64, no desktop. I use bootctl from systemd-boot to manage the UEFI images. I don't have much experience with UEFI. But I do have some

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-16 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday, 15 June 2019 16:22:50 BST Mick wrote: > On Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:04:16 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > The main system on this box is ~amd64 plasma, but I also have a small > > rescue system which is amd64, no desktop. I use bootctl from systemd-boot > > to

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-15 Thread Mick
On Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:04:16 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello list, > > The main system on this box is ~amd64 plasma, but I also have a small rescue > system which is amd64, no desktop. I use bootctl from systemd-boot to > manage the UEFI images. > > My question is: how much of the

Re: [gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-15 Thread J. Roeleveld
On June 15, 2019 1:04:16 PM UTC, Peter Humphrey wrote: >Hello list, > >The main system on this box is ~amd64 plasma, but I also have a small >rescue >system which is amd64, no desktop. I use bootctl from systemd-boot to >manage >the UEFI images. > >My question is: how much of the

[gentoo-user] UEFI kernel installation?

2019-06-15 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list, The main system on this box is ~amd64 plasma, but I also have a small rescue system which is amd64, no desktop. I use bootctl from systemd-boot to manage the UEFI images. My question is: how much of the bootctl-installed image is essential for booting? In other words, if I install