Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 06:52:10 AM Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 13:05:04 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 06:52:10 AM Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 13:05:04 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:57:55PM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm just going to try and buy another 3TB drive as soon as I can. I may even make it into a removable thingy. Then I can make backups and just put it in a outbuilding. By the way, my outbuilding is pretty far

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 07/01/2014 10:30:44 AM, Dale wrote: I been wanting to get me something external but hadn't got around to looking yet. I didn't know they have a SATA version. I plan to avoid USB if I can. From my understanding, eSATA can be hotplugged and I have a couple of those connections. I

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Dale
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:30:44 AM, Dale wrote: I been wanting to get me something external but hadn't got around to looking yet. I didn't know they have a SATA version. I plan to avoid USB if I can. From my understanding, eSATA can be hotplugged and I have a couple of those

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 07/01/2014 10:58:45 AM, Dale wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:30:44 AM, Dale wrote: I been wanting to get me something external but hadn't got around to looking yet. I didn't know they have a SATA version. I plan to avoid USB if I can. From my understanding, eSATA

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 11:06:59 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:58:45 AM, Dale wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:30:44 AM, Dale wrote: I been wanting to get me something external but hadn't got around to looking yet. I didn't know they have a SATA

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 11:06:59 AM Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:58:45 AM, Dale wrote: Probably not. All of my external USB3 disks have a separate power supply. I only know of 2.5 USB-drivers that are powered via the same USB-cable. Never seen 3.5 ones that

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 04:21:45 AM Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: root@fireball / # hdparm -tT /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: Timing cached reads: 6604 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3303.39 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 542 MB in 3.01 seconds = 180.33 MB/sec root@fireball / # Try a

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:09 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 06:52:10 AM Mick wrote: What triggers a relocation? I also have a drive which shows a sector relocation pending, but for a few days now and after some tests that showed no errors, it won't

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 01/07/2014 07:52, Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 13:05:04 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-07-01 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 04:21:45 AM Dale wrote: I watched the dd process when I was erasing the old drive. I got about the same results. It started out a little over 200 and went as low as 170 or so close to the end. On average, about what hdparm shows. Close enough

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 13:05:04 Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test every few days, would it then catch

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Mick
On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 05:44:38 Dale wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, thoughts? Did it mark that part as bad and all is well or is this going to be trouble down the line? Should I just fill the thing up with data and test

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 05:44:38 Dale wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test every few days, would it then catch a error after a few weeks or so of testing? I realize no one

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Mick
On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 09:42:39 Dale wrote: Mick wrote: On Sunday 29 Jun 2014 05:44:38 Dale wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test every few days, would it then catch a error after a

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test every few days, would it then catch a error after a few weeks or so of testing? I

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What if I copied data to the drive until it was just about full. I'm thinking like maybe 90 or 95% or so. If I do that and run the test every few days, would it then catch a error after a few weeks or so

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-29 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:57:55PM -0500, Dale wrote: I'm just going to try and buy another 3TB drive as soon as I can. I may even make it into a removable thingy. Then I can make backups and just put it in a outbuilding. By the way, my outbuilding is pretty far from For such use, I am

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:48:40 +0100, Mick wrote: I would think that your ISP providers in the US will be blocking outgoing port 25 to stop compromised MSWindows machines spamming the rest of us. If you use my suggestion there shouldn't be a problem. It makes no difference

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Mick
On Friday 27 Jun 2014 21:54:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:22:09 +0100, Mick wrote: I would think that your ISP providers in the US will be blocking outgoing port 25 to stop compromised MSWindows machines spamming the rest of us. If you use my suggestion there shouldn't be

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Friday 27 Jun 2014 21:54:32 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:22:09 +0100, Mick wrote: I would think that your ISP providers in the US will be blocking outgoing port 25 to stop compromised MSWindows machines spamming the rest of us. If you use my suggestion there

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, thoughts? Did it mark that part as bad and all is well or is this going to be trouble down the line? Should I just fill the thing up with data and test the stuffin out of it to make sure? That is pretty typical. You

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-28 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, thoughts? Did it mark that part as bad and all is well or is this going to be trouble down the line? Should I just fill the thing up with data and test the stuffin out of it to make sure? That is

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-27 Thread Mick
On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 16:08:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:14:39 -0500, Dale wrote: Holy sheep. It worked. I lost my jaw yesterday I think it was. I'm not sure what I am going to be missing now. :-D Neil and Allan will so impressed. LOL OK. So, what will send

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:22:09 +0100, Mick wrote: You tell cron where to mail reports by setting MAILTO=you@wherever at the top of /etc/crontab. It will then mail you every time a cronjob produces output. Or complete the /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf and revaliases with the info I have sent you

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Mick
On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 06:56:26 Mick wrote: Sort out access rights to 0604 Oops! Potentially dangerous typo! Should be: 0640 of course. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: David Haller wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: Yeah. Oh, and I had a clean smart until a few days ago, luckily I alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036 Pre-fail

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:54:35 -0500, Dale wrote: Curious. I hope I don't start a flame war here. I have had WD, Seagate and I think there is a Samsung here somewhere, may be the one that is rolling over on its back now. The one drive that failed a few years ago was a WD drive. That said,

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:15:54 -0500, Dale wrote: I like this part: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub ^ That part right up there. :-D That may be a new thread, if needed. My first thought was even Dale can't have problems with that. I soon

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/06/2014 05:54, Dale wrote: Curious. I hope I don't start a flame war here. I have had WD, Seagate and I think there is a Samsung here somewhere, may be the one that is rolling over on its back now. The one drive that failed a few years ago was a WD drive. That said, all the other WD

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:54:35 -0500, Dale wrote: Curious. I hope I don't start a flame war here. I have had WD, Seagate and I think there is a Samsung here somewhere, may be the one that is rolling over on its back now. The one drive that failed a few years ago was a

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:15:54 -0500, Dale wrote: I like this part: Extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a Mailhub ^ That part right up there. :-D That may be a new thread, if needed. My first thought was even Dale can't have problems with that.

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: My experiences aren't worth much in this case, what I had to deal with was data center setups where - the power has never gone off for 6 years - the drives never spin down and just keep on turning year after year - the servers were the nice big ones Dell makes with awesome

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of something tho. Btrfs. While I have a new drive with no file system on it, it's a good time to think on switching from LVM. Hmmm. I'm currently on gentoo-sources 3.14. I think btrfs is usable, but not

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of something tho. Btrfs. While I have a new drive with no file system on it, it's a good time to think on switching from LVM. Hmmm. I'm currently on gentoo-sources 3.14. I think btrfs is

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/06/2014 13:20, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: My experiences aren't worth much in this case, what I had to deal with was data center setups where - the power has never gone off for 6 years - the drives never spin down and just keep on turning year after year - the servers were the

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/06/2014 13:20, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: My experiences aren't worth much in this case, what I had to deal with was data center setups where - the power has never gone off for 6 years - the drives never spin down and just keep on turning year after year -

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 06:56:26 Mick wrote: Sort out access rights to 0604 Oops! Potentially dangerous typo! Should be: 0640 of course. Picking a short one to reply too. Holy sheep. It worked. I lost my jaw yesterday I think it was. I'm not sure what I am going to be

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:14:39 -0500, Dale wrote: Holy sheep. It worked. I lost my jaw yesterday I think it was. I'm not sure what I am going to be missing now. :-D Neil and Allan will so impressed. LOL OK. So, what will send me a message now? Do I need to tell it to send me

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:14:39 -0500, Dale wrote: Holy sheep. It worked. I lost my jaw yesterday I think it was. I'm not sure what I am going to be missing now. :-D Neil and Allan will so impressed. LOL OK. So, what will send me a message now? Do I need to tell

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: And do check on your warranty. You can migrate all your data to the new drive, and then replace the old one as a backup disk. Either use it with raid, or as an offline backup. If you want to do raid you can set up mdadm with a degraded raid1 so that you can copy your data

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Daniel Frey
On 06/26/2014 05:57 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Take care of the environmental factors, and statistics fall in your favour making the odds good you'll get the life you expect Yep, but sometimes crap just fails for no reason whatsoever. As an example, my old house had central A/C and never went

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-26 Thread Daniel Frey
On 06/25/2014 08:54 PM, Dale wrote: Curious. I hope I don't start a flame war here. I have had WD, Seagate and I think there is a Samsung here somewhere, may be the one that is rolling over on its back now. The one drive that failed a few years ago was a WD drive. That said, all the other

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 25 June 2014 07:05:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:09:03 -0500 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread thegeezer
On 06/25/2014 06:05 AM, Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo]

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: There are some options with smartctl you could try to force the drive to swap that bad sector with a spare one. A full disk read could also force that. Eg. Try ' dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null '. But, I usually order a replacement when Smart tests start throwing errors. I know

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap, and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for calculation of where the error is check out the smartcl [1] site which will help

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote: That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to. Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important data. Is there anyway to find

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote: That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to. Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important data. I

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread thegeezer
On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org ===

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread thegeezer
On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ?

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty has anyone managed to

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 Drive is ordered. Be here tomorrow. Yay Newegg. Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. Here is the output: root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke,

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread covici
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i notice that

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive that have not been reallocatd yet Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it supposed to do

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just drives,then I bought a UPS and things got much better. It seems the

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread covici
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 slightly offtopic - i

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them - alarmingly often, actually. Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive that have not been reallocatd yet Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why I run them manually. Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. -- Neil Bothwick Beware! The end is...

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:30 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of timing errors? Yes, it is not true. :) I've never had issues running RAID on consumer drives. Sure, devices certified for RAID might spend less time trying

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is over 2 years since I bought it. Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then. It'll either break it or give me a fresh start to

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:09:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote: I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why I run them manually. Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and friends sent to

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 25.06.2014 09:49, schrieb Dale: thegeezer wrote: this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap, and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for calculation of where the error is check out

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account passwds which contain

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman: Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've only run desktop hard

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/06/2014 17:30, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote: I got a drive picked out at Newegg.

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Douglas J Hunley
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think anybody makes a monitor for btrfs, though my boot is mirrored across all my btrfs drives using mdadm so a drive failure should be detected in any case. I need to check up on that, though - I'd like an email

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Douglas J Hunley doug.hun...@gmail.com wrote: You're going to want to cron a 'scrub' and have it email you. There's no background daemon that I'm aware of to handle this. ZFS just introduced 'zed' and it would be nice if BTRFS would do the same Actually, I

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for non-stop setup? If I recall correctly, the last drive that died was a more expensive type of drive, intended for a server setup. So far, the cheaper drives are the ones that have lasted until I

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any point in time

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Keep in mind that RAID is more

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:16:17 -0500, Dale wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: What I really need to do, set up a

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread David Haller
Hello, On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: thegeezer wrote: On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote: Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166 I have (had sort of) the same disc, with the same FW. see the following Seagate web pages: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Daniel Frey
On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Anecdotal, but... In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and eight regular drives to be

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then again, that will take time as well. Also takes money. Keep in mind

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is over 2 years since I bought it. Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then. It'll either break it or give

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, something I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp, which you can't call a server, it just forwards.

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote: Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox. ... and when you find out please tell us: What I really

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
David Haller wrote: Hello, On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote: Yeah. Oh, and I had a clean smart until a few days ago, luckily I alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036 Pre-fail Always 17688 Other Seagates (a

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann ANY hard drive can fail the day after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Daniel Frey wrote: On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when run 24x7. Anecdotal, but... In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and eight

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't bought a backup drive before now either.

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-25 Thread Mick
On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 03:15:54 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to my system unless I have to. Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp,

[gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-24 Thread Dale
Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org === START OF READ SMART DATA

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-24 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian

Re: [gentoo-user] smartctrl drive error @60%

2014-06-24 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this: root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build) Copyright (C)