Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
I have submitted Gentoo Bug 293933 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Thursday 19 November 2009 04:33:14 Philip Webb wrote: Extensive Googling found 1 useful hint of where the problem might lie: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1087580/resource-temporarily-unavaila ble-in-boost-asio 'Resource temporarily unavailable' is normally the text description for EAGAIN, indicating that the operation should be retried ... It's generally worth looking at the man page for the underlying libc function; which is recvfrom in this case Yes, 'man recvfrom' has rather opaque info which mb relevant ... (sigh) Relevant, perhaps, but not useful - to me, at least. I'll just have to wait for the next release of X. Thanks anyway. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 23:00:23 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 17 November 2009 23:56:00 Philip Webb wrote: Are you using Nvidia ? -- someone else mentioned that as a possible cause. Yes, nvidia-190.42-r3 I've noticed recently that kdm takes looong to start - more than 30 seconds, and xterm is still taking over 3 seconds to load. I'll try downgrade nvidia tomorrow when I have a chance and see what happens I've tried switching to the nv kernel driver and it made no difference here. I'm pretty sure it's an X problem. I'd better try reverting X to an older version. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
091118 Peter Humphrey wrote: I've tried switching to the nv kernel driver and it made no difference. I'm pretty sure it's an X problem. Extensive Googling found 1 useful hint of where the problem might lie: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1087580/resource-temporarily-unavailable-in-boost-asio 'Resource temporarily unavailable' is normally the text description for EAGAIN, indicating that the operation should be retried ... It's generally worth looking at the man page for the underlying libc function; which is recvfrom in this case Yes, 'man recvfrom' has rather opaque info which mb relevant ... (sigh) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
091112 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:40:16 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: There is a problem somewhere it mb a small fix for my machine it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. Try 'strace xterm' in a terminal with long scrollback history, ... Or better, use the '-o outputfile' option. ... press Enter a couple of times when it hangs and analyze the output at these positions later. I did that earlier just for fun. The output is huge :-) 2400 lines when I did it with the same result as yours. I see here that while xterm is starting, the output stutters quite a lot and each time there is a resource unavailable message just before. It's trying to read fd3 which turns out to be the Unix socket in /tmp . Yes, there are 3 lock file/dirs there : root:527 tmp ls -la total 5 drwxrwxrwt 7 rootroot200 2009-11-17 16:41 . drwxr-xr-x 23 rootroot560 2009-07-04 05:53 .. drwxrwxrwt 2 rootroot 88 2009-11-17 12:50 .ICE-unix drwx-- 3 purslow purslow 192 2009-11-17 16:30 kde-purslow drwx-- 2 purslow purslow 240 2009-11-17 16:32 ksocket-purslow -r--r--r-- 1 rootpurslow 11 2009-11-17 12:47 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt 2 rootroot 72 2009-11-17 12:47 .X11-unix Are you using Nvidia ? -- someone else mentioned that as a possible cause. Otherwise, does anyone have further suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 23:56:00 Philip Webb wrote: 091112 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:40:16 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: There is a problem somewhere it mb a small fix for my machine it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. Try 'strace xterm' in a terminal with long scrollback history, ... Or better, use the '-o outputfile' option. ... press Enter a couple of times when it hangs and analyze the output at these positions later. I did that earlier just for fun. The output is huge :-) 2400 lines when I did it with the same result as yours. I see here that while xterm is starting, the output stutters quite a lot and each time there is a resource unavailable message just before. It's trying to read fd3 which turns out to be the Unix socket in /tmp . Yes, there are 3 lock file/dirs there : root:527 tmp ls -la total 5 drwxrwxrwt 7 rootroot200 2009-11-17 16:41 . drwxr-xr-x 23 rootroot560 2009-07-04 05:53 .. drwxrwxrwt 2 rootroot 88 2009-11-17 12:50 .ICE-unix drwx-- 3 purslow purslow 192 2009-11-17 16:30 kde-purslow drwx-- 2 purslow purslow 240 2009-11-17 16:32 ksocket-purslow -r--r--r-- 1 rootpurslow 11 2009-11-17 12:47 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt 2 rootroot 72 2009-11-17 12:47 .X11-unix Are you using Nvidia ? -- someone else mentioned that as a possible cause. Yes, nvidia-190.42-r3 I've noticed recently that kdm takes looong to start - more than 30 seconds, and xterm is still taking over 3 seconds to load. I'll try downgrade nvidia tomorrow when I have a chance and see what happens Otherwise, does anyone have further suggestions ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
091118 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 17 November 2009 23:56:00 Philip Webb wrote: Are you using Nvidia ? -- someone else mentioned that as a possible cause. Yes, nvidia-190.42-r3 I'll try downgrade nvidia tomorrow and see what happens I'm using 185 couldn't get 180 to compile with Kernel 2.6.31 , so it looks as if Nvidia isn't the problem. I've noticed recently that kdm takes looong to start - more than 30 seconds, and xterm is still taking over 3 seconds to load. I've tried starting it from another Xterm as root there's no difference. I don't use Kdm, but 'startx' from a raw terminal into Fluxbox. It looks like a bug for the developers of X . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:40:16 Alex Schuster wrote: Philip Webb writes: There is a problem somewhere it mb a small fix for my machine it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. Try 'strace xterm' in a terminal with long scrollback history, press the enter key a couple of times when it hangs, and analyze the output at these positions later. Or send these parts to the list, maybe someone here will spot what's going on. Wonko I did that earlier just for fun. The output is huge :-) I see here that while xterm is starting, the output stutters quite a lot and each time there is a resource unavailable message just before. It's trying to read fd3 which turns out to be the Unix socket in /tmp If anyone feels like trawling through strace output, I can post what happens here. xterm is now taking 4 seconds to start whereas before it was almost instant -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. the disk / cpu does nothing ? I just tested starting Xterm on the desktop where Gkrellm runs. There is a brief CPU load of 27 % , then 100 % at every start; at the 1st start, there's a spike in disk access; 1st start was c 6 sec , 2nd c 4 sec . Xpdf is very similar. Xclock has the same CPU effect, but starts after c 3 sec . I remerged Xterm Xclock, ran 'X -configure' re-installed xorg.conf , but there is no change. Run lsmod and see if the nvidia driver is actually being used ? -- I have 48 in the used-by column. Yes, it is: used by '26'. Is the general refresh rate and glx type apps ok ? There hasn't been any other similar effect which I've noticed. I don't think you need to rebuild nvidia, but did you anyway ? I last rebuilt Nvidia-drivers after the Xorg-x11 upgrade; I had to use the testing version 185.18.36-r1 , as stable 180.60 wouldn't compile with Gentoo-sources 2.6.31-r4 . Someone else mentioned networking, but I have no local network or firewall none of these apps uses the Internet. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
2009/11/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. the disk / cpu does nothing ? I just tested starting Xterm on the desktop where Gkrellm runs. There is a brief CPU load of 27 % , then 100 % at every start; at the 1st start, there's a spike in disk access; 1st start was c 6 sec , 2nd c 4 sec . Xpdf is very similar. Xclock has the same CPU effect, but starts after c 3 sec . I remerged Xterm Xclock, ran 'X -configure' re-installed xorg.conf , but there is no change. Run lsmod and see if the nvidia driver is actually being used ? -- I have 48 in the used-by column. Yes, it is: used by '26'. Is the general refresh rate and glx type apps ok ? There hasn't been any other similar effect which I've noticed. I don't think you need to rebuild nvidia, but did you anyway ? I last rebuilt Nvidia-drivers after the Xorg-x11 upgrade; I had to use the testing version 185.18.36-r1 , as stable 180.60 wouldn't compile with Gentoo-sources 2.6.31-r4 . Someone else mentioned networking, but I have no local network or firewall none of these apps uses the Internet. The localhost issue in /etc/hosts only affected KDE as far as I recall. If you are not running KDE as your DE then it would be something else. Over here xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Mick wrote: xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 13:34:49 Philip Webb wrote: 09 Mick wrote: xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? Is this what you mean, or are you talking about the drivers that I use? == [I] x11-base/xorg-server Installed versions: 1.6.3.901-r2(16:38:59 10/06/09)(hal nptl sdl xorg - debug -dmx -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal -tslib) Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org X servers == -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 11 November 2009 13:34:49 Philip Webb wrote: 09 Mick wrote: xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? Is this what you mean, or are you talking about the drivers that I use? == [I] x11-base/xorg-server Installed versions: 1.6.3.901-r2(16:38:59 10/06/09)(hal nptl sdl xorg - debug -dmx -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal -tslib) Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org X servers == So you are running Xorg-x11 ! -- sorry for the quibble. There is a problem somewhere it mb a small fix for my machine it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
Philip Webb writes: There is a problem somewhere it mb a small fix for my machine it wb nice to track it down if others are not experiencing it. Try 'strace xterm' in a terminal with long scrollback history, press the enter key a couple of times when it hangs, and analyze the output at these positions later. Or send these parts to the list, maybe someone here will spot what's going on. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 16:41 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 09 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 11 November 2009 13:34:49 Philip Webb wrote: 09 Mick wrote: xpdf takes less that 1 second to pop up when started from a terminal in Fluxbox, but I am not running xorg-x11. What are you running to support graphics for Fluxbox ?? Is this what you mean, or are you talking about the drivers that I use? == [I] x11-base/xorg-server ... So you are running Xorg-x11 ! -- sorry for the quibble. For the record xorg-x11 is the meta-package that pulls in lots of stuff, xorg-server is the minimal ebuild that xorg-x11 would pull in. Phillip, what version did xorg-server go from/to when you upgraded? the testing nvidia-drivers look a bit suspicious, is it worth seeing what the problem was with the stable version? Why did you pick 185.18.36-r1? Is there a requirement for the 18x series? The latest unstable (but not masked) is 190.42-r2. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. - Voltaire
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 12:12 +, Mick wrote: The localhost issue in /etc/hosts only affected KDE as far as I recall. Unfortunately not. I've had it a few times with gnome, but not since the early days... I think it was an X issue, not related to the DE, afair :) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au This door is baroquen, please wiggle Handel. (If I wiggle Handel, will it wiggle Bach?) -- Found on a door in the MSU music building
[gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. Has anyone else seen this is there a solution ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. Has anyone else seen this is there a solution ? er... routes? localhost in /etc/hosts? Sounds weird but in the XFree86 days I had not mapped the word localhost to 127 properly, and X behaved very slow. Just a wild guess though. Alternatively, reboot to make sure you've unloaded / reloaded modules. What did you upgrade from? 7.x? 6.x? -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au When a fly lands on the ceiling, does it do a half roll or a half loop?
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
Philip Webb wrote: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. routes ? Could you expand a little ... (smile) ? localhost in /etc/hosts ? Sounds weird, but in the XFree86 days I had not mapped the word localhost to 127 properly and X behaved very slow. Just a wild guess though. The uncommented lines in that file are 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost Ok, a wild guess (grin). Alternatively, reboot to make sure you've unloaded / reloaded modules. I don't have any modules except Nvidia I reboot at least daily. What did you upgrade from ? 7.x ? 6.x ? 7.3 IIRC Anyone else see this or have advice ? Run top and see if something strange is there. No clue what but maybe there will be a clue there. May try iotop to see if the drive is a bottle neck. If it is, check to make sure the drives are using DMA or whatever is fastest for your system. Could even run hdparm -Tt to test the drives as well. Just throwing out ideas here. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. routes ? Could you expand a little ... (smile) ? only thinking down the localhost trail again - make sure 127 is routed through lo. other than that the disk / cpu does nothing? Run lsmod and see if the nvidia driver is actually being used? (I have 48 in the used-by column). Is the general refresh rate and glx type apps ok? I don't think you need to rebuild nvidia, but did you anyway? You've probably answered most of these yourself already, but it doesn't hurt to check... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. routes ? Could you expand a little ... (smile) ? localhost in /etc/hosts ? Sounds weird, but in the XFree86 days I had not mapped the word localhost to 127 properly and X behaved very slow. Just a wild guess though. The uncommented lines in that file are 127.0.0.1 localhost ::1 localhost Ok, a wild guess (grin). Alternatively, reboot to make sure you've unloaded / reloaded modules. I don't have any modules except Nvidia I reboot at least daily. What did you upgrade from ? 7.x ? 6.x ? 7.3 IIRC Anyone else see this or have advice ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] strange delays with Xorg-x11-7.4-r1
On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 18:19 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: 09 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:31 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Since upgrading to Xorg-x11-7.4-r1 , Xterm Xpdf are very slow to open: Xterm takes c 6 sec to start Xpdf also has a noticeable delay. routes ? Could you expand a little ... (smile) ? It really sounds like a network timeout issue (I've had response issues like that with KDE when my ISP is having troubles). WAGs: Verify your dns addresses. Maybe reverse their order or even try opendns. Verify your network is working normally: Visit a few sites. Ping you ISP and other sites. Run a network speed test. tail -f /var/log/messages in one window while opening another. If you have a firewall, check it's log. Verify that you are using nvidia drivers instead of nv. Exam Xorg.log for any hints of problems. HTH, Roy
