Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread fantasticfears
sys-kernel/dracut ​ still requires udev, please update it. ​And what to do with udev USE flag?​ ​ On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.atwrote: Am 26.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Mike Gilbert: apcupsd-3.14.10-r1 still installs its rules into /lib/udev/rules.d ...

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this *anywhere*?? On 2013-03-27 6:32 AM, fantasticfears fantasticfe...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this *anywhere*?? Hold your horses. The devs will work

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 27.03.2013 15:34, schrieb Michael Mol: On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Jake Margason
I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. One question though. why does everyone seem to be migrating towards systemd? How is it superior? is openrc just a dead project is that why? On

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-03-27 10:33 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going*completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jake Margason jmargason...@gmail.com wrote: I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. Don't do top posting, please. One question though. why does

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jake Margason jmargason...@gmail.com wrote: I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. Don't do top

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
From a technical point of view (the quality of the code and the time it takes to fix bugs), I believe everyone (even Lennart's most fervent detractors) will agree that systemd is a superb piece of software. The problem is the philosophy behind it; if you agree with said philosophy, systemd is

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-03-27 3:43 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The real drive behind systemd is enterprise cloud type computing for Red Hat. I'd be interested in hearing more on this... Link(s) to online articles is fine...

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 01:36, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:20, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Please run emerge -1 /lib/udev to reinstall any packages which have installed udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d. 29 pkgs there (virtual/udev in there again) late here ... more tomorrow ...

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 10:38, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:36, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:20, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Please run emerge -1 /lib/udev to reinstall any packages which have installed udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d. 29 pkgs there (virtual/udev in

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 11:08, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 10:38, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:36, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:20, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Please run emerge -1 /lib/udev to reinstall any packages which have installed udev rules in

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-26 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 26.03.2013 11:08, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 10:38, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:36, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 26.03.2013 01:20, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Please run emerge -1

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Mike Gilbert: apcupsd-3.14.10-r1 still installs its rules into /lib/udev/rules.d ... the path is hard-coded in the ebuild (line 99). Thanks, I have just committed a fix for that. Great, my next question would have been if I should file a bug ... not needed

[gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Just found that I have a blocking situation ... systemd and udev don't like each other right now ;-) Tried various maskings ... and found some hints in the Changelog here: http://gentoo-portage.com/sys-fs/udev/ChangeLog#ptabs this lead me to this bugreport:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Just found that I have a blocking situation ... systemd and udev don't like each other right now ;-) Tried various maskings ... and found some hints in the Changelog here:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Just found that I have a blocking situation ... systemd and udev don't like each other right now ;-) Tried various maskings ... and found some

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.03.2013 22:18, schrieb Mike Gilbert: I feel your pain. That bug report got out of control so I wanted to put a stop to the comments. I am happy to help you work out your blocker issue here, or in a new bug report. I am in no hurry and could simply wait for fresh ebuilds coming in

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 25.03.2013 22:18, schrieb Mike Gilbert: I feel your pain. That bug report got out of control so I wanted to put a stop to the comments. I am happy to help you work out your blocker issue here, or in a new bug

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.03.2013 22:26, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Do you have sys-fs/udev in your world file by any chance? If so, please remove it. Yes, I had. Removed it, same blockages. now: # grep udev /var/lib/portage/world app-vim/udev-syntax virtual/udev ... Ad use-flags: I have/had =sys-fs/udev-197-r8

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 25.03.2013 22:26, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Do you have sys-fs/udev in your world file by any chance? If so, please remove it. Yes, I had. Removed it, same blockages. now: # grep udev /var/lib/portage/world

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.03.2013 22:56, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Try just emerge -v1 systemd. You no longer need sys-fs/udev, and it should be removed when you upgrade to sys-apps/systemd-r5. Oh, interesting. I understand. Is there any information somewhere on this (no ranting! just asking for ... as other users

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:38:53 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Do you have sys-fs/udev in your world file by any chance? If so, please remove it. Yes, I had. Removed it, same blockages. now: # grep udev /var/lib/portage/world app-vim/udev-syntax virtual/udev You still have

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
I assume I have to remove udev-init-scripts now?

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.03.2013 23:30, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:38:53 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Do you have sys-fs/udev in your world file by any chance? If so, please remove it. Yes, I had. Removed it, same blockages. now: # grep udev /var/lib/portage/world

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 25.03.2013 23:39, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I assume I have to remove udev-init-scripts now? rebooted .. afai see the system doesn't detect/ start up the raid-devices anymore. This (in my case) leads to no detected PVs for the lvm2-stuff ... Not so funny.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 00:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 25.03.2013 23:39, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I assume I have to remove udev-init-scripts now? rebooted .. afai see the system doesn't detect/ start up the raid-devices anymore. This (in my case) leads to no detected PVs for the

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 26.03.2013 00:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 25.03.2013 23:39, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I assume I have to remove udev-init-scripts now? rebooted .. afai see the system doesn't detect/ start up the

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-25 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.03.2013 01:20, schrieb Mike Gilbert: Please run emerge -1 /lib/udev to reinstall any packages which have installed udev rules in /lib/udev/rules.d. 29 pkgs there (virtual/udev in there again) late here ... more tomorrow ... thanks, regards, Stefan