[gentoo-user] Zoom calls make firefox/librewolf crash
Hi everyone, So since this weekend whenever I try to join a zoom call, my firefox crashes and so does my librewolf. I've tried using both firefox-bin-102.9.0 and firefox-bin-111.0.1 and also librewolf-bin-110.0_p2. This doesn't happen when I disable webgl. I'm using dwl-0.4 and I'm on stable. Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve this? -- All the best, Efe The funny quote of this email is trivial and left as an exercise. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] zoom not responding
Hi. I have installed net-im/zoom and I am on version 5.0.398100.0427 but when I try to run it, I get zoom not responding every time. I looked in bgo, but nothing like this is showing. I am using this with orca, so I don't know if this is part of the problem. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On 2 April 2020 07:10:02 CEST, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>On 2/4/20 12:51 pm, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:12:46 AM CEST William Kenworthy wrote:
>>> On 25/3/20 8:42 pm, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay
>
>> wrote:
>> On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote:
>>> Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during
>the
>>> current crisis)
>>>
>>>
>https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on->
> L
>>> inux
>>>
>>> I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is
>that
>>> bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...)
>>>
>>> Jorge Almeida
>> Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom?
> I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now...
Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing
>their
code on your PC?
>>> Anyone able to install this? I can't get mesa and the libglvnd
>>> dispatcher to coexist.
>>>
>>>
>>> It does work in chromium, but I think some of the options are not
>available
>>>
>>>
>>> BillK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> rattus ~ # emerge net-im/zoom -vp
>>>
>>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>>
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1::gentoo USE="X -test"
>>> ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 0 KiB
>>> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebchannel-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
>>> -debug -test" 198 KiB
>>> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
>>> -debug -geoclue -test" 5,976 KiB
>>> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="jit
>-debug
>>> -scripttools -test" 2,593 KiB
>>> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="alsa
>>> pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug
>-designer
>>> -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" 236,757 KiB
>>> [ebuild N~] net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2::gentoo
>USE="pulseaudio"
>>> 70,908 KiB
>>> [blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
>>> ("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking
>media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
>>>
>>> Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 316,430 KiB
>>> Conflict: 1 block (1 unsatisfied)
>>>
>>>* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>>>* installed at the same time on the same system.
>>>
>>> (media-libs/mesa-19.3.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>>> media-libs/mesa[egl,X(+)] required by
>>> (dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>merge)
>>> USE="alsa pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist
>-debug
>>> -designer -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
>>>
>>> (media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>merge)
>>> pulled in by
>>> media-libs/libglvnd required by
>>> (net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>merge)
>>> USE="pulseaudio" ABI_X86="(64)"
>>>
>>>
>>> For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the
>following
>>> section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is
>irrelevant):
>>>
>>>
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages
>> This is because of the "libglvnd" activities for Xorg.
>> I had a few blockers on my desktop and old laptop as well, but calmly
>doing a
>> full update and helping it through is possible.
>>
>> Masking this flag will not help in the long-term as the flag will
>disappear
>> and this will be the norm because it gets rid of the "eselect opengl"
>hack.
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>>
>In my case libglvnd-1.3.1 wanted to install ~20 files that would have
>replaced ones already installed by Mesa-19.3.5, hence the merge
>failure. I already had that Mesa version installed - did you see this?
>
>
>BillK
>
>
>>
>>
No, but due to the current situation (being stuck inside working and looking
after my daughter) I was not fully paying attention.
I managed to solve blockers by restarting the full emerge a few times
(dependencies wrong and running in parallel, causing libs to disappear mid
compile) and selectively removing some of the problematic applications.
I did not touch the glvnd USE flag though and let that go through.
--
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Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On 2/4/20 12:51 pm, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:12:46 AM CEST William Kenworthy wrote:
On 25/3/20 8:42 pm, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay
wrote:
On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote:
Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the
current crisis)
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-> L
inux
I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that
bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...)
Jorge Almeida
Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom?
I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now...
Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their
code on your PC?
Anyone able to install this? I can't get mesa and the libglvnd
dispatcher to coexist.
It does work in chromium, but I think some of the options are not available
BillK.
rattus ~ # emerge net-im/zoom -vp
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1::gentoo USE="X -test"
ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebchannel-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
-debug -test" 198 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
-debug -geoclue -test" 5,976 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="jit -debug
-scripttools -test" 2,593 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="alsa
pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug -designer
-geolocation -jumbo-build -test" 236,757 KiB
[ebuild N~] net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2::gentoo USE="pulseaudio"
70,908 KiB
[blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 316,430 KiB
Conflict: 1 block (1 unsatisfied)
* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(media-libs/mesa-19.3.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
media-libs/mesa[egl,X(+)] required by
(dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
USE="alsa pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug
-designer -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
(media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
media-libs/libglvnd required by
(net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
USE="pulseaudio" ABI_X86="(64)"
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages
This is because of the "libglvnd" activities for Xorg.
I had a few blockers on my desktop and old laptop as well, but calmly doing a
full update and helping it through is possible.
Masking this flag will not help in the long-term as the flag will disappear
and this will be the norm because it gets rid of the "eselect opengl" hack.
--
Joost
In my case libglvnd-1.3.1 wanted to install ~20 files that would have
replaced ones already installed by Mesa-19.3.5, hence the merge
failure. I already had that Mesa version installed - did you see this?
BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:12:46 AM CEST William Kenworthy wrote:
> On 25/3/20 8:42 pm, Michael wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay
wrote:
> >>> On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the
> current crisis)
>
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on->
> L
> inux
>
> I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that
> bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...)
>
> Jorge Almeida
> >>>
> >>> Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom?
> >>
> >> I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now...
> >
> > Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their
> > code on your PC?
>
> Anyone able to install this? I can't get mesa and the libglvnd
> dispatcher to coexist.
>
>
> It does work in chromium, but I think some of the options are not available
>
>
> BillK.
>
>
>
> rattus ~ # emerge net-im/zoom -vp
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1::gentoo USE="X -test"
> ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 0 KiB
> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebchannel-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
> -debug -test" 198 KiB
> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
> -debug -geoclue -test" 5,976 KiB
> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="jit -debug
> -scripttools -test" 2,593 KiB
> [ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="alsa
> pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug -designer
> -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" 236,757 KiB
> [ebuild N~] net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2::gentoo USE="pulseaudio"
> 70,908 KiB
> [blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
> ("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
>
> Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 316,430 KiB
> Conflict: 1 block (1 unsatisfied)
>
> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> * installed at the same time on the same system.
>
>(media-libs/mesa-19.3.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
> media-libs/mesa[egl,X(+)] required by
> (dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> USE="alsa pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug
> -designer -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
>
>(media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
> media-libs/libglvnd required by
> (net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> USE="pulseaudio" ABI_X86="(64)"
>
>
> For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
> section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages
This is because of the "libglvnd" activities for Xorg.
I had a few blockers on my desktop and old laptop as well, but calmly doing a
full update and helping it through is possible.
Masking this flag will not help in the long-term as the flag will disappear
and this will be the norm because it gets rid of the "eselect opengl" hack.
--
Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
> > no, there is something else at play - I have tried adding it to > package.accept_keywords, package.provided etc. but they fail. If I use > --nodeps it wants to overwrite a number of mesa files so I am thinking > its not actually needed. > > Trying to install just zoom and its deps without the --nodeps flag for > each package - working so far but I cant tell until qtwebengine finishes > compiling ... hopefully before Easter :) > > I am hoping that mesa will supply the files and libglvnd is not needed > and the ebuild just needs fixing. > > I thought someone else must have run across this already? > I had some weird blocks during a world update (was it eselect-opencl?) that i got past with media-libs/mesa -libglvnd in package.use. I then tried removing the package.use entry and rebuilding mesa - no blockers this time and the rebuild worked. Everything seems happy now, but I was thinking ebuild bug at the time.
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On 1/4/20 4:55 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:12:46 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>> [blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
>> ("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
> It looks like you need to emerge mesa with USE="libglvnd".
>
>
Hi Neil,
no, there is something else at play - I have tried adding it to
package.accept_keywords, package.provided etc. but they fail. If I use
--nodeps it wants to overwrite a number of mesa files so I am thinking
its not actually needed.
Trying to install just zoom and its deps without the --nodeps flag for
each package - working so far but I cant tell until qtwebengine finishes
compiling ... hopefully before Easter :)
I am hoping that mesa will supply the files and libglvnd is not needed
and the ebuild just needs fixing.
I thought someone else must have run across this already?
BillK
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Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:12:46 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> [blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
> ("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
It looks like you need to emerge mesa with USE="libglvnd".
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Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On 25/3/20 8:42 pm, Michael wrote:
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay wrote:
On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote:
Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the
current crisis)
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-L
inux
I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that
bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...)
Jorge Almeida
Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom?
I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now...
Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their code
on your PC?
Anyone able to install this? I can't get mesa and the libglvnd
dispatcher to coexist.
It does work in chromium, but I think some of the options are not available
BillK.
rattus ~ # emerge net-im/zoom -vp
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1::gentoo USE="X -test"
ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 0 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebchannel-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
-debug -test" 198 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtpositioning-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="qml
-debug -geoclue -test" 5,976 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtscript-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="jit -debug
-scripttools -test" 2,593 KiB
[ebuild N ] dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo USE="alsa
pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug -designer
-geolocation -jumbo-build -test" 236,757 KiB
[ebuild N ~] net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2::gentoo USE="pulseaudio"
70,908 KiB
[blocks B ] media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]
("media-libs/mesa[-libglvnd(-)]" is blocking media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1)
Total: 6 packages (6 new), Size of downloads: 316,430 KiB
Conflict: 1 block (1 unsatisfied)
* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(media-libs/mesa-19.3.5:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
media-libs/mesa[egl,X(+)] required by
(dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.14.1:5/5.14::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
USE="alsa pulseaudio system-ffmpeg system-icu widgets -bindist -debug
-designer -geolocation -jumbo-build -test" ABI_X86="(64)"
(media-libs/libglvnd-1.3.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
media-libs/libglvnd required by
(net-im/zoom-3.5.374815.0324-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
USE="pulseaudio" ABI_X86="(64)"
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 13:41:21 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:19 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > Web tabs are fairly highly sandboxed in most browsers. Suffice it to > > say something running in a web tab isn't going to be spying on your > > process list/etc. > > OK, fair enough. I would prefer a browser-only interface anyway, if possible > > (BTW: to your knowledge, does that apply to chrome (not chromium)? > > > An application can basically do absolutely anything you can do from a > > shell unless you've done something to contain it. Running it in a > > container would obviously be one way of containing it. Running it > > under another UID would be another, though users can generally see all > > the processes in the system and read any file that is world-readable. > > > > I'm not sure how the flatpak version of zoom that was mentioned > > earlier is packaged. I believe flatpak is container-based, but I > > haven't used it and I can't speak to how well-contained it actually > > is, either in general or in its implementation of this particular > > application. In theory they could make it very secure, but that > > doesn't mean that they did. > > I'm checking Jitsi. Seems nicer than zoom. > > > Oh, and keep in mind that X11 itself isn't the most secure piece of > > software in existence. In particular any window on your desktop can > > spy on the keyboard input into any other window on your desktop, > > unless you're employing protective measures that nobody actually > > employs outside of maybe pinentry (I haven't checked that one and I > > forget if it is completely modal - as in you can't type in any other > > x11 window while it is displayed). > > Right. I propose using a dedicated X session, in a VT other than the > usual one. Having more than one X session alive is easy, at least for > users of ligthweight stuff like openbox. > > Thanks for the input > > Jorge > > > -- > > Rich More info on the participation Zoom users /enjoy/, whether they like it and have agreed to it, or not: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/k7e599/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
Hello, > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:10 PM Alec Ten Harmsel > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:04, Michael wrote: > > > I have not used Zoom, but the interwebs are screaming about the fly-by > > > malware > > > silent installations that come with it. I don't know if this applies to > > > Linux > > > too. > > > > My understanding is that it reports running processes and other info about > > your machine back to Zoom. Don't know why. As soon as I'm done with a > > meeting, I stop it so it's not running all the time. > > > Wow. It doesn't get much more spooky that that. The reason I was > checking zoom is that it is what people @work are using. But they're > not a security-conscious bunch at all, at all. > > Jorge Same here: I have to use Zoom at work due to quarantine. I retrieved the zoom_x86_64.tar.xz archive from https://us04web.zoom.us/download. Then, due to security concerns, I launch it from a VM or in firejail. JC signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:51:33 + Jorge Almeida wrote: > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > current crisis) > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) I was wondering, too. However, I just unpacked the .tar archive I downloaded to /opt/zoom and started zoomlinux. Works for me (I guess my system already had all needed libs installed). cu Gerrit
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:19 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > > Web tabs are fairly highly sandboxed in most browsers. Suffice it to > say something running in a web tab isn't going to be spying on your > process list/etc. > OK, fair enough. I would prefer a browser-only interface anyway, if possible (BTW: to your knowledge, does that apply to chrome (not chromium)? > An application can basically do absolutely anything you can do from a > shell unless you've done something to contain it. Running it in a > container would obviously be one way of containing it. Running it > under another UID would be another, though users can generally see all > the processes in the system and read any file that is world-readable. > > I'm not sure how the flatpak version of zoom that was mentioned > earlier is packaged. I believe flatpak is container-based, but I > haven't used it and I can't speak to how well-contained it actually > is, either in general or in its implementation of this particular > application. In theory they could make it very secure, but that > doesn't mean that they did. I'm checking Jitsi. Seems nicer than zoom. > > Oh, and keep in mind that X11 itself isn't the most secure piece of > software in existence. In particular any window on your desktop can > spy on the keyboard input into any other window on your desktop, > unless you're employing protective measures that nobody actually > employs outside of maybe pinentry (I haven't checked that one and I > forget if it is completely modal - as in you can't type in any other > x11 window while it is displayed). Right. I propose using a dedicated X session, in a VT other than the usual one. Having more than one X session alive is easy, at least for users of ligthweight stuff like openbox. Thanks for the input Jorge > > -- > Rich >
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:06 AM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:56 PM Alec Ten Harmsel > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:54, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:42 PM Michael wrote: > > > > Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their > > > > code > > > > on your PC? > > > WebRTC is a web standard. You should be able to use Zoom in-browser, > > without downloading the application. > > > OK. But it seems to offer limited functionality: > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005666383-Show-a-Join-from-your-browser-Link > > (And will it be safer that the application?) > Web tabs are fairly highly sandboxed in most browsers. Suffice it to say something running in a web tab isn't going to be spying on your process list/etc. An application can basically do absolutely anything you can do from a shell unless you've done something to contain it. Running it in a container would obviously be one way of containing it. Running it under another UID would be another, though users can generally see all the processes in the system and read any file that is world-readable. I'm not sure how the flatpak version of zoom that was mentioned earlier is packaged. I believe flatpak is container-based, but I haven't used it and I can't speak to how well-contained it actually is, either in general or in its implementation of this particular application. In theory they could make it very secure, but that doesn't mean that they did. Oh, and keep in mind that X11 itself isn't the most secure piece of software in existence. In particular any window on your desktop can spy on the keyboard input into any other window on your desktop, unless you're employing protective measures that nobody actually employs outside of maybe pinentry (I haven't checked that one and I forget if it is completely modal - as in you can't type in any other x11 window while it is displayed). -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 09:06, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > OK. But it seems to offer limited functionality: > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005666383-Show-a-Join-from-your-browser-Link > Right. I've only ever used the desktop application. > (And will it be safer that the application?) > Yes. Browser sandboxing isn't perfect but it's pretty good. I don't know much about security-related stuff other than I try to follow best practices, so I'm sure someone else can chime in with more knowledge. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:56 PM Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:54, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:42 PM Michael wrote: > > > Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their > > > code > > > on your PC? > WebRTC is a web standard. You should be able to use Zoom in-browser, without > downloading the application. > OK. But it seems to offer limited functionality: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005666383-Show-a-Join-from-your-browser-Link (And will it be safer that the application?)
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On 25/3/20 8:16 pm, Alarig Le Lay wrote: On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote: Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the current crisis) https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) Jorge Almeida Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom? n.b. Another poster here, not Jorge *** Wasn't there yesterday morning, 24/3, if memory serves. It was in an overlay which I dragged local then installed. I subsequently went to the local 'puter shop and got laughed at when I asked for a webcam :) They wouldn't even sell me the display models. Have now installed it on a bare bones Win10 running lappy that has camera/mic built in. Appears to work as advertised - don't know about the sneaky stuff, reporting back to base, thought. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:54, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:42 PM Michael wrote: > > Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their code > > on your PC? > > The only thing in portage named after webrtc is > media-libs/webrtc-audio-processing. Is this what you mean? > WebRTC is a web standard. You should be able to use Zoom in-browser, without downloading the application. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:42 PM Michael wrote: > > On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay wrote: > > > On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > > > > current crisis) > > > > > > > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-L > > > > inux > > > > > > > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > > > > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > > > > > > > Jorge Almeida > > > > > > Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom? > > > > I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now... > > Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their code > on your PC? The only thing in portage named after webrtc is media-libs/webrtc-audio-processing. Is this what you mean?
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:10 PM Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:04, Michael wrote: > > I have not used Zoom, but the interwebs are screaming about the fly-by > > malware > > silent installations that come with it. I don't know if this applies to > > Linux > > too. > > My understanding is that it reports running processes and other info about > your machine back to Zoom. Don't know why. As soon as I'm done with a > meeting, I stop it so it's not running all the time. > Wow. It doesn't get much more spooky that that. The reason I was checking zoom is that it is what people @work are using. But they're not a security-conscious bunch at all, at all. Jorge
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:33:34 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > My understanding is that it reports running processes and other info > > about your machine back to Zoom. Don't know why. As soon as I'm done > > with a meeting, I stop it so it's not running all the time. > > > > That's why I would move it to a VM - libvirt/KVM/spice seems to have > > pretty phenomenal support for cameras, mics, and other "advanced" > > features these days. > Anyone know of reliable and decent alternatives? I've never used Zoom, but how does it compare with Jitsi? -- Neil Bothwick There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation. pgpgtpTCnx4fj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 12:38:35 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay wrote: > > On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > > > current crisis) > > > > > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-L > > > inux > > > > > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > > > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > > > > > Jorge Almeida > > > > Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom? > > I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now... Have you looked at using WebRTC with Zoom, rather than installing their code on your PC? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM Alarig Le Lay wrote: > > On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > > current crisis) > > > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux > > > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > > > Jorge Almeida > > > > Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom? > I don't have that in /usr/portage. emerge--sync'ing now...
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:09:27 PM CET Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:04, Michael wrote: > > I have not used Zoom, but the interwebs are screaming about the fly-by > > malware silent installations that come with it. I don't know if this > > applies to Linux too. > > My understanding is that it reports running processes and other info about > your machine back to Zoom. Don't know why. As soon as I'm done with a > meeting, I stop it so it's not running all the time. > > That's why I would move it to a VM - libvirt/KVM/spice seems to have pretty > phenomenal support for cameras, mics, and other "advanced" features these > days. > > Alec Anyone know of reliable and decent alternatives?
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On mer. 25 mars 11:51:33 2020, Jorge Almeida wrote: > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > current crisis) > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > Jorge Almeida > Why didn’t you try net-im/zoom? -- Alarig
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 08:04, Michael wrote: > I have not used Zoom, but the interwebs are screaming about the fly-by > malware > silent installations that come with it. I don't know if this applies to > Linux > too. My understanding is that it reports running processes and other info about your machine back to Zoom. Don't know why. As soon as I'm done with a meeting, I stop it so it's not running all the time. That's why I would move it to a VM - libvirt/KVM/spice seems to have pretty phenomenal support for cameras, mics, and other "advanced" features these days. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:59:51 GMT Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 07:51, Jorge Almeida wrote: > > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > > current crisis) > > > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Lin > > ux > > > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > > > Jorge Almeida > > I've been using Zoom for a few months with the flatpak from flathub > (https://flathub.org/apps/details/us.zoom.Zoom). Flatpak makes it very > easy, handles updates, etc. which is why I started running it that way. > > Given all the stuff I've heard about Zoom in the past week related to how > much info it takes from your machine while it's running, I may be moving it > into a VM pretty soon. > > Alec I have not used Zoom, but the interwebs are screaming about the fly-by malware silent installations that come with it. I don't know if this applies to Linux too. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] zoom?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 07:51, Jorge Almeida wrote: > Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the > current crisis) > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux > > I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that > bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) > > Jorge Almeida I've been using Zoom for a few months with the flatpak from flathub (https://flathub.org/apps/details/us.zoom.Zoom). Flatpak makes it very easy, handles updates, etc. which is why I started running it that way. Given all the stuff I've heard about Zoom in the past week related to how much info it takes from your machine while it's running, I may be moving it into a VM pretty soon. Alec
[gentoo-user] zoom?
Did someone try to install zoom? (relevant to many people during the current crisis) https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-Zoom-on-Linux I downloaded an archive (cannot find the URL again; the site is that bad) and the directory doesn't even contain a REDME...) Jorge Almeida
