RE: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
-Original Message- From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 March 2006 00:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:25 -0800, Grant wrote: Also, if you start with Stage3, you may not even need to rebuild the installed packages, as if it's been a little while since the Stage3 image was created, there will be new versions of everything, so you'd be rebuilding when you do a 'emerge -u system' anyways. Nice. Is there a slick way to determine if there are any pre-compiled packages left on the system after the first 'emerge -u system'? touch /tmp/firstupdate emerge --update --deep --newuse world find /var/db/pkg/ -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2 -type d ! -newer /tmp/firstupdate In time you will end up rebuilding the lot anyway - assuming you emerge -u world every now and then. The problem with the stage1 was that it left some cruft behind in the portage and system. Hence, the build a stage1 using a stage3 install series of howto's in the forums. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
Also, if you start with Stage3, you may not even need to rebuild the installed packages, as if it's been a little while since the Stage3 image was created, there will be new versions of everything, so you'd be rebuilding when you do a 'emerge -u system' anyways. Nice. Is there a slick way to determine if there are any pre-compiled packages left on the system after the first 'emerge -u system'? touch /tmp/firstupdate emerge --update --deep --newuse world find /var/db/pkg/ -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2 -type d ! -newer /tmp/firstupdate In time you will end up rebuilding the lot anyway - assuming you emerge -u world every now and then. The problem with the stage1 was that it left some cruft behind in the portage and system. Hence, the build a stage1 using a stage3 install series of howto's in the forums. -- Regards, Mick Alright, thanks guys. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
That sounds pretty good to me. So if I do a stage 3 install as per the current Gentoo docs plus 'emerge -e system' I will end up with the same thing that I did with a stage 1 install? I remember thinking that I was getting a deeper level of optimization by starting with stage 1. I can't remember the details anymore though. - Grant Yes, effectively it's the same thing. In both cases (Stage1 or Stage3 + emerge -e system) you've built every package yourself. Starting with Stage3 gives you a usable system right at the start, while with Stage1 you need to spend a fairly large amount of time getting the system ready. Also, if you start with Stage3, you may not even need to rebuild the installed packages, as if it's been a little while since the Stage3 image was created, there will be new versions of everything, so you'd be rebuilding when you do a 'emerge -u system' anyways. HTH, Mike Nice. Is there a slick way to determine if there are any pre-compiled packages left on the system after the first 'emerge -u system'? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:12:25 -0800, Grant wrote: Also, if you start with Stage3, you may not even need to rebuild the installed packages, as if it's been a little while since the Stage3 image was created, there will be new versions of everything, so you'd be rebuilding when you do a 'emerge -u system' anyways. Nice. Is there a slick way to determine if there are any pre-compiled packages left on the system after the first 'emerge -u system'? touch /tmp/firstupdate emerge --update --deep --newuse world find /var/db/pkg/ -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2 -type d ! -newer /tmp/firstupdate -- Neil Bothwick Real women don't have hot flashes, they have power surges. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
On 3/20/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds pretty good to me. So if I do a stage 3 install as per the current Gentoo docs plus 'emerge -e system' I will end up with the same thing that I did with a stage 1 install? I remember thinking that I was getting a deeper level of optimization by starting with stage 1. I can't remember the details anymore though. - Grant Yes, effectively it's the same thing. In both cases (Stage1 or Stage3 + emerge -e system) you've built every package yourself. Starting with Stage3 gives you a usable system right at the start, while with Stage1 you need to spend a fairly large amount of time getting the system ready. Also, if you start with Stage3, you may not even need to rebuild the installed packages, as if it's been a little while since the Stage3 image was created, there will be new versions of everything, so you'd be rebuilding when you do a 'emerge -u system' anyways. HTH, Mike -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
On 3/20/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I installed Gentoo on my four systems a while ago and I've just acquired a couple of new-to-me P3-500's. I'd like to install Gentoo on these new systems but I'm a little confused by the changes made to the installation process recently. I've never done anything but a stage 1 installation, but I remember reading that those instructions were removed from the installation documentation, and now I see a GUI and a command line installer on the latest LiveCD. What is currently the best installation method if I'm in the stage 1 mindset? - Grant Stage3 offers everything that a Stage1 does, it's just faster. Especially on those 500 Mhz systems, I'd use the Stage3. If you really must build every package by hand, use the Stage3 install, and then do a 'emerge -e system'. This will cause it to rebuild every package. On those systems though, unless you're using distcc or a cross-compiler on a faster system, stick with the Stage3 install so you don't spend 24+ hours bootstrapping. Mike -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:57:46 -0800 Grant wrote: Hello, I installed Gentoo on my four systems a while ago and I've just acquired a couple of new-to-me P3-500's. I'd like to install Gentoo on these new systems but I'm a little confused by the changes made to the installation process recently. I've never done anything but a stage 1 installation, but I remember reading that those instructions were removed from the installation documentation, and now I see a GUI and a command line installer on the latest LiveCD. What is currently the best installation method if I'm in the stage 1 mindset? I guess if you read the handbook you could read the faq that it frers to: How do I Install Gentoo Using a Stage1 or Stage2 Tarball? The Gentoo Handbook only describes a Gentoo installation using a stage3 tarball. However, Gentoo still provides stage1 and stage2 tarballs. This is for development purposes (the Release Engineering team starts from a stage1 tarball to obtain a stage3) but shouldn't be used by users: a stage3 tarball can very well be used to bootstrap the system. You do need a working Internet connection. Bootstrapping means building the toolchain (the C library and compiler) for your system after which you install all core system packages. To bootstrap the system, perform a stage3 installation. Before you start the chapter on Configuring the Kernel, modify the bootstrap.sh script to suit your needs and then run it: I would just do a stage 3 install, forgetting the gui installer. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
On 3/20/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I installed Gentoo on my four systems a while ago and I've just acquired a couple of new-to-me P3-500's. I'd like to install Gentoo on these new systems but I'm a little confused by the changes made to the installation process recently. I've never done anything but a stage 1 installation, but I remember reading that those instructions were removed from the installation documentation, and now I see a GUI and a command line installer on the latest LiveCD. What is currently the best installation method if I'm in the stage 1 mindset? Note that nobody is forcing you to use any install method. If you fancy stage 1 installs... go for it. The stages are still updated and available on the mirrors. But as Nick said, it is slower. Also if you don't remember all the commands and you still want to do stage 1 I would recommend this doc [1], its the old x86 quickstart guide, the new one has been expanded (aka crapped up) to the point that it is no longer a quickstart guide but rather a handbook-in-two-pages. [1]http://web.archive.org/web/20050324081156/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml -- Michael E. Crute http://mike.crute.org It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. --Douglas Adams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Current state of the Gentoo installation process
Hello, I installed Gentoo on my four systems a while ago and I've just acquired a couple of new-to-me P3-500's. I'd like to install Gentoo on these new systems but I'm a little confused by the changes made to the installation process recently. I've never done anything but a stage 1 installation, but I remember reading that those instructions were removed from the installation documentation, and now I see a GUI and a command line installer on the latest LiveCD. What is currently the best installation method if I'm in the stage 1 mindset? - Grant Stage3 offers everything that a Stage1 does, it's just faster. Especially on those 500 Mhz systems, I'd use the Stage3. If you really must build every package by hand, use the Stage3 install, and then do a 'emerge -e system'. This will cause it to rebuild every package. On those systems though, unless you're using distcc or a cross-compiler on a faster system, stick with the Stage3 install so you don't spend 24+ hours bootstrapping. Mike That sounds pretty good to me. So if I do a stage 3 install as per the current Gentoo docs plus 'emerge -e system' I will end up with the same thing that I did with a stage 1 install? I remember thinking that I was getting a deeper level of optimization by starting with stage 1. I can't remember the details anymore though. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
